In search of queer friendly housing in Dublin

weelilbit

Hiya, I'm Corinne, I'm 24, I'm a queer woman, and I'm looking for how in creation I find housing in Dublin that'll be safe/welcoming/fulfilling.

I'm moving from the US in 3 months and over here we use Craigslist and people are very upfront about keywords like gay and queer, as well as giving a lot of information about current roommates when advertising a room. Daft & MyHome aren't giving me enough information, so how do all y'all do this?

Anyone have any contacts, recommendations, tips? Would a real estate agent be able to help me?
Thanks!

Goodshape

Hey Weelibit!

Unfortunately Daft and MyHome (to a lesser extent) have a bit of a monopoly on the rental market in Dublin. Even the estate agents have become little more than Daft account managers. You may have to make do with the information they offer!

It's not entirely uncommon to see a room or house listed as "gay friendly" on Daft, but it wouldn't be the norm (even when it's true).

To be honest I'd prefer to assume that any house or room-share is "gay friendly" by default (i.e. not homophobic, which may exclude personality clashes but that's a different matter). I'd be a bit appalled if someone were to make it an issue.

If it's a serious concern for you then I wouldn't hesitate to ask the question in your introduction message to perspective housemates.

Neon_Lights

Can you define what you mean by friendly, is it that you're safe from abuse or that you're free to diddle a few tasty Mott's that you've picked up while on the lash?

weelilbit

Thanks for the replies. When I was living in Boston it was easy to find homes that entirely consisted of queer people and queer activists. It was an explicitly and intentionally queer space. As I'll be moving from the US by myself, I'd like a soft a landing as possible because it's gonna be hard no matter what.

Am looking to only live with LGBTQ people for safety of body and mind and for building a community for myself.

Goodshape

The Outhouse is an LGBT community and resource centre in Dublin. I don't see anything listed specifically about house shares or housemate matching, but it might be worth getting in touch with them for some information – http://outhouse.ie/

Good luck!

cgcsb

You won't find a house share ad with 'gay-only' on it on DAFT, there's laws against that kind of thing. But you might find it on gaire.com
When you say for safety, in Ireland gay friendly is basically the default setting. Straight people will more/less be universally gay-friendly in Dublin anyway. Irish gays don't refer themselves as 'queer' either.

LegacyUser

cgcsb wrote: »

Irish gays don't refer themselves as 'queer' either.

What? Not all, for sure, but I and many others I know do. Like LGBT communities elsewhere.

Annasopra

I know a fair few Irish people who call themselves queer.

Euphoria Intensifies

There's a couple of groups on Facebook for finding flatmates/houseshares in Dublin. I actually think there's an LGBT specific one too. I don't live in Dublin so haven't used them myself though.

Edit: also I know loads of people who self-identify as queer. I think it's more prevalent amongst younger generations.

JupiterKid

weelilbit wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. When I was living in Boston it was easy to find homes that entirely consisted of queer people and queer activists. It was an explicitly and intentionally queer space. As I'll be moving from the US by myself, I'd like a soft a landing as possible because it's gonna be hard no matter what.

Am looking to only live with LGBTQ people for safety of body and mind and for building a community for myself.

You will find that most Irish people will be tolerant/accepting of LGBT House/flat mates, particularly in your age group. But in terms of exclusive "queer" communities, none such exist to the best of my knowledge. Your best bet is to get in touch with Outhouse or Gaire and see if you can access accommodation where all housemates are LGBT.

Can I ask why living in an exclusively queer community is so important to you? Just curious.

wakka12

I don't really know what the atmosphere toward the lgbt community is like where you are form but the majority of people will be very accepting and comfortable with your sexuality here in Dublin. Obviously I cant guarantee that you wont face any prejudice but overall you will have a good experience in that regard, many parts of Dublin had a yes turnout vote in the gay marriage referendum in the high seventies and over 95% of college students from Dublin's two biggest universities voted yes in the gay marriage referendum also.

cgcsb

Its sort of a sad symptom of how fractured American society is when a US American travels all the way across the Atlantic and only wants to be around other gay people. I hope the OPs trip to Europe broadens her horizons

SteoL

GCN used to have an accommodation section. Does that publication still exist (I haven't been around the scene - pubs or otherwise in over 10 years)?

J_E

cgcsb wrote: »

You won't find a house share ad with 'gay-only' on it on DAFT, there's laws against that kind of thing. But you might find it on gaire.com
When you say for safety, in Ireland gay friendly is basically the default setting. Straight people will more/less be universally gay-friendly in Dublin anyway. Irish gays don't refer themselves as 'queer' either.

You're definitely wrong there. Queer is it's own state of mind and a distinct identity.

It's not really right to assume straight people will always be gay-friendly either in living quarters.

newacc2015

cgcsb wrote: »

You won't find a house share ad with 'gay-only' on it on DAFT, there's laws against that kind of thing. But you might find it on gaire.com

There are laws against landlords or estate agents doing it. When it is your own home or a house share in the form of a sublet, you can discriminate against whoever you like based on whatever you like.

cgcsb

J_E wrote: »

You're definitely wrong there. Queer is it's own state of mind and a distinct identity.

How so?

J_E wrote: »

It's not really right to assume straight people will always be gay-friendly either in living quarters.

It is almost universally true though in my experience and the experience of my gay friends and family. Even people who harbour homophobic prejudice will invariably keep it to themselves.

Annasopra

cgcsb wrote: »

How so?

It is almost universally true though in my experience and the experience of my gay friends and family. Even people who harbour homophobic prejudice will invariably keep it to themselves.

Why do you assume your experience is everybodys?

cgcsb

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Why do you assume your experience is everybodys?

I don't, the op asked for advice based on our collective experience and I'm offering mine.

cursai

This thread is very silly. Just go live with normal people. Never mind categorising them and you.

eviltwin

I think it's going to be near impossible to find a place that is exclusively gay and that ticks all your other boxes such as price, location etc. As has been said Ireland is very much gay friendly. While there are individuals who would have a problem sharing with a gay housemate most people won't mind. Perhaps the OP's experience in her home country has been a bad one hence her question but hopefully this thread will reassure you that its not really an issue here.

learn_more

weelilbit wrote: »

Hiya, I'm Corinne, I'm 24, I'm a queer woman, and I'm looking for how in creation I find housing in Dublin that'll be safe/welcoming/fulfilling.

I'm moving from the US in 3 months and over here we use Craigslist and people are very upfront about keywords like gay and queer, as well as giving a lot of information about current roommates when advertising a room. Daft & MyHome aren't giving me enough information, so how do all y'all do this?

Anyone have any contacts, recommendations, tips? Would a real estate agent be able to help me?
Thanks!

When I house shared in Dublin it never crossed my mind to tell them in advance that I was gay. It wasn't a concern for me whatsoever.

Your post reads like you think most ppl are homophobic. Most ppl in house shares do their own thing, it's not like your expected to socialise with each other.

If your looking to be friends with your housemates then that's different so I'd suggest you advertise. I'm sure googling 'gay houseshare dublin' should get you some results.

Del2005

newacc2015 wrote: »

There are laws against landlords or estate agents doing it. When it is your own home or a house share in the form of a sublet, you can discriminate against whoever you like based on whatever you like.

Why do you assume that the law only applies to landlords or estate agents? The law says that you can't discriminate on 8 grounds and if you are subletting and use one of them as a reason not to rent then you are guilty.

Annasopra

Del2005 wrote: »

Why do you assume that the law only applies to landlords or estate agents? The law says that you can't discriminate on 8 grounds and if you are subletting and use one of them as a reason not to rent then you are guilty.

Does it? My understanding is there are a number of housing exemptions in the Equal Status Acts. And there are 10 grounds in relation to housing discrimination by the way.

Annasopra

cursai wrote: »

This thread is very silly. Just go live with normal people. Never mind categorising them and you.

learn_more wrote: »

Your post reads like you think most ppl are homophobic.

Can we all stick to giving helpful advice instead of judging the OP in future posts please

Peregrinus

Del2005 wrote: »

Why do you assume that the law only applies to landlords or estate agents? The law says that you can't discriminate on 8 grounds and if you are subletting and use one of them as a reason not to rent then you are guilty.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Does it? My understanding is there are a number of housing exemptions in the Equal Status Acts . . .

Joey is correct. If you're letting out accommodation in your own home, or in the home of a near relative of yours, you have a general exemption from the non-discrimination requirements of the Equal Status Act. It's in s.6(2)(d) of the Act.

So it's lawful to offer a room in your house to a woman only, or to a man only, or to an unmarried person only, or to a married couple only, or to a Christian/Jew/atheist only, or to someone who is gay or who is straight.

weelilbit

JupiterKid wrote: »

Can I ask why living in an exclusively queer community is so important to you? Just curious.

I live with bipolar II disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. I'm moving across an ocean to a country I've only ever visited and in which I'll know three people: my aunt, uncle, and 26-year-old cousin. I need to build a community for myself. And whereas I'd love to be able to peruse ads like I'm used to in Boston or NYC in which roommates post 3-4 sentences about themselves and 3-4 sentences about what they're looking for in a roommate, this doesn't seem to be the case here. Going for queer helps cut some of the unnecessary weeding out.
Also, it's a personal safety preference. I don't want to live with straight cismen and don't want to be in the position of telling a straight female roommate that their straight cismale significant other staying the night makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps not something you'd like to hear, but phobias are what they are.
cgcsb, I so appreciate the nuance and careful consideration which you applied to your response. Clearly when seeking accommodations which make one comfortable, one is also seeking to never leave one's home or immediate vicinity and to only ever socialize with one's roommates. Clearly. My horizons are plenty freaking broad, thanks very much, but my personal safety and mental state is of the utmost importance to me and so I'll be living with queer people. As someone about to move cross-Atlantic to a country with basically no network whatsoever, I'd prefer for home to not be a place in which my queerness and other identities are not tolerated or aren't merely free from judgment, but which are celebrated and enthused over as a shared state. It's like not wanting to live with someone who's a major partier when I'm more of a homebody and board game geek, it's all to do with sharing. But again, thanks for the care.

JustAThought

To be honest its not your sexual preferences that will be the biggest problem but your mental health and how this affects your attitude towards other people/flatmates. Your last post is frankly worrying. As a suggestion leave the whole who I have sex with out of it, and get onto daft.ie and rent (if you can) a single appartment. Keep your homelife as stress free and simple as possible & then joing some GLBT groups on meetup.com or get down to Outhouse or to the George for bingo on a sunday & make some GLBT friends there & have your homespace private. Best of both worlds & far less fraught with the dramas over sexuality & anxiety and rules you are making up already over housemates being unsafe or not allowed to sleep over & all the rules for others that are in your head already. At that rate of controlling and problem creating you could be asked to leave by your flatmates - nobody needs the drama & most peoplehere are relaxed & friendly and like to do their own thing in an adult houseshare.
Normally I would suggest taking a 2 bedder and quietly subletting but tbh I think friends outside of home & a calm quiet place you can totally control would be far better for your anxiety and mental health needs. You can then invite people over to sleep, or hangout, of for gaming nights or meals or get-togethers & tell them to leave as it suites you.

O. And of the people I know only one occasionally refers to himself as queer and usually to be confrontational or pick a defiant fight.

uck51js9zml2yt

Have you spoken to your mental health clinician about the move?
How do you plan access the mental health system hear to have your bipolar monitored and I assume medicated?
These would be a bigger issue for you than the sexuality of housemates.
Based on your last post I'd honestly advise you to stay at home...It's safer.

Lady is a tramp

I think gay-friendly may mean something different here in Ireland than it does to you.

I've lived in accommodation advertised as gay-friendly before. I'm straight, and had a fiancé at the time who occasionally stayed over. As did the male owners occupier's fiancé.

All the gay-friendly bit meant was that he didn't want some homophobe judging him in his own home, sure who needs that ****e. I imagine most places advertised gay-friendly are similar - that they don't really care about your sexual preference so long as you don't care about theirs.

What you mentioned above about having a problem with them having male partners over - that's what you might have a problem with. You demand an environment where you won't be discriminated against based on your own sexuality, yet are blatantly discriminatory when it comes to your potential flatmates ...?

Peregrinus

People, do I have to point out that, just as we are uncomfortable with discrimination on the grounds of sex or sexual orientation, so we are uncomfortable with discrimination on the grounds of health and/or disability?

The OP is frank and open about her mental health challenges, and I think she deserves a supportive response from boardies. "I'd advise you to stay and home" and "you're being blatantly discriminatory" are not that response.

OP, obviously if you suffer from bipolar disorder and generalised anxiety, moving to another country will be a real challenge for you, and I'm quite sure it's not something you have decided on lightly, or without a lot of thought and without the advice and support of people who know you and your condition better than we do. I applaud your courage in taking on the challenge. I entirely get that you don't want to magnify that challenge unnecessarily, and you may find the transition easier if you can make a home with a bunch of people who share some experiences and values and attitudes with you, and who will create an environment that you find familiar and comfortable. You will have enough changes and challenges to deal with as it is. Nobody would blink if you said you wanted to share a house with, e.g., other women, or other foreign students. I think it's perfectly reasonable of you to want to share a house with people who identify as queer, or who are positively supportive of that identification.

Reasonable but, as others have said, not easy to arrange, especially from a distance. For a variety of reasons, some of which have already been touched on in this thread, there is no great tradition in Ireland of advertising for queer housemates in the way that is evidently familiar to you. This is partly because of the legal climate; while individuals sharing homes are free to discriminate in the selection of their housemates, people providing accommodation by way of business, and related businesses like estate agencies and advertising providers, are not. Thus while you're welcome to prefer the gay applicant for that empty room in the house, it's not so easy to advertise for the gay applicant; the agencies, etc, won't carry the ad. ("Gay-friendly" is acceptable in advertising, but that just underlines that gay applicants are welcome. It does not suggest that they are preferred, and if you apply to a house that is advertised as gay-friendly, you may find that that most or all of the people living there are straight.)

Gay/queer preferring households do exist, but they are not numerous. And you largely hear about them through networks and personal/social contacts. Which means you have to be here, and integrated into the community, and then you let it be known what you are looking for, and hope to be told about someone who is looking to provide it.

Your best bet may be what others have suggested; plan on solo accommodation initially, 'til you can make connections in the LGBTQ community, and hope to find something more to your taste.

Hunchback

OP,

I think the above post is excellent, offering a realistic reflection of the rental situation. I think that if you combine the above advice with maybe trying/exhausting the online resources mentioned in previous posts you will be going in the right direction.

All the very best in your endeavours - I hope you settle in well and develop a network. Welcome to Ireland, in advance.

baby and crumble

Unless it's financially not possible for you, OP, I would echo the other posters who have recommended a single occupancy let when you arrive. I do understand the kind of community you come from but Ireland i's a little too small for those kinds of households to really exist. In addition, it wouldn't really be possible (or at least remotely easy) for you to find a housemate who will never have men over- whether that be brothers, Dad, friends etc. Many friend groups in Ireland- I'd nearly say the majority- are mixed gender so that demand will be nearly impossible to fulfil. I think perhaps a place of your own and immediate immersion into the scene (via groups of Meetup.com etc) would be probably be the most positive for your mental health too. That way you have full control over who does and doesn't enter your home.

Best of luck with it.

pilly

weelilbit wrote: »

I live with bipolar II disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. I'm moving across an ocean to a country I've only ever visited and in which I'll know three people: my aunt, uncle, and 26-year-old cousin. I need to build a community for myself. And whereas I'd love to be able to peruse ads like I'm used to in Boston or NYC in which roommates post 3-4 sentences about themselves and 3-4 sentences about what they're looking for in a roommate, this doesn't seem to be the case here. Going for queer helps cut some of the unnecessary weeding out.
Also, it's a personal safety preference. I don't want to live with straight cismen and don't want to be in the position of telling a straight female roommate that their straight cismale significant other staying the night makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps not something you'd like to hear, but phobias are what they are.
cgcsb, I so appreciate the nuance and careful consideration which you applied to your response. Clearly when seeking accommodations which make one comfortable, one is also seeking to never leave one's home or immediate vicinity and to only ever socialize with one's roommates. Clearly. My horizons are plenty freaking broad, thanks very much, but my personal safety and mental state is of the utmost importance to me and so I'll be living with queer people. As someone about to move cross-Atlantic to a country with basically no network whatsoever, I'd prefer for home to not be a place in which my queerness and other identities are not tolerated or aren't merely free from judgment, but which are celebrated and enthused over as a shared state. It's like not wanting to live with someone who's a major partier when I'm more of a homebody and board game geek, it's all to do with sharing. But again, thanks for the care.

What is a cisman or cismale? This is a genuine question, I have no idea?

robyntmorton

pilly wrote: »

What is a cisman or cismale? This is a genuine question, I have no idea?

Essentially, someone who was born male, is happy with being male, and has no intention of changing.

pilly

robyntmorton wrote: »

Essentially, someone who was born male, is happy with being male, and has no intention of changing.

Okay so. Don't know why anyone would be uncomfortable with that then. Don't know if I'm missing something here?

Anyway, as others have suggested OP I think you should go for a place on your own. I've never come across a totally gay household advertising for gay housemates.

MB Lacey

Over the years I have lived in 3 queer house shares in Dublin, they certainly do exist but because Dublin is massively smaller than NYC and Boston, such households aren't as numerous.

Dublin is a very gay friendly city and though most people will not usually advertise their house as 'gay friendly' that only happens because it's not an issue.
I have also lived in house shares with straight girls and that was completely fine too.
I do understand your preference for a queer house, it's just easier - and more fun.

However I think it will be difficult for you to find an all queer house advertised on daft, usually you hear of spare rooms coming up through friends, so as a previous poster has suggested, you would really only find out about these rooms whilst already living here.

I haven't house shared in a long while (thankfully), but house sharing is a lottery no matter who you share with, straight or gay.

Is there a possibility of staying with your aunt/uncle/ cousin for a few weeks and looking for accommodation whilst staying with them?
It's also highly preferable to physically look at a house and meet the other housemates before giving over a deposit and a month's rent in advance.

Best of luck

Annasopra

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Can we all stick to giving helpful advice instead of judging the OP in future posts please

Hey all a reminder of this moderation.

Telling the op to stay at home and that they are blatantly discriminatory is not helpful advice. Future posting like this will be yellow carded.

cgcsb

weelilbit wrote: »

I live with bipolar II disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. I'm moving across an ocean to a country I've only ever visited and in which I'll know three people: my aunt, uncle, and 26-year-old cousin. I need to build a community for myself. And whereas I'd love to be able to peruse ads like I'm used to in Boston or NYC in which roommates post 3-4 sentences about themselves and 3-4 sentences about what they're looking for in a roommate, this doesn't seem to be the case here. Going for queer helps cut some of the unnecessary weeding out.
Also, it's a personal safety preference. I don't want to live with straight cismen and don't want to be in the position of telling a straight female roommate that their straight cismale significant other staying the night makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps not something you'd like to hear, but phobias are what they are.
cgcsb, I so appreciate the nuance and careful consideration which you applied to your response. Clearly when seeking accommodations which make one comfortable, one is also seeking to never leave one's home or immediate vicinity and to only ever socialize with one's roommates. Clearly. My horizons are plenty freaking broad, thanks very much, but my personal safety and mental state is of the utmost importance to me and so I'll be living with queer people. As someone about to move cross-Atlantic to a country with basically no network whatsoever, I'd prefer for home to not be a place in which my queerness and other identities are not tolerated or aren't merely free from judgment, but which are celebrated and enthused over as a shared state. It's like not wanting to live with someone who's a major partier when I'm more of a homebody and board game geek, it's all to do with sharing. But again, thanks for the care.

I wasn't trying to be rude rather I was trying to manage your expectations. It will not be like the US. You may get a bit of a shock if you approach it with that attitude.

I think it's a bit contradictory to say that your horizons are 'pretty freaking broad' and then say that not only will you not share accommodation with straight men but you also will not tolerate your room mates having one over. It's pretty offensive and hurtful to a straight man in fairness. I don't know why you'd single out straight men and not straight women but sure that's your own business.

Let's say you find what you're looking for, a house share with all gay persons/ straight women (for some reason). I can guarantee you that your room mates will invariably have a straight male friend or family member over at some point, given that they make up 49% of the population and all. I can also pretty much guarantee that your house full of other gays most certainly will not 'celebrate' you sexual orientation.

Mongfinder General

weelilbit wrote: »

I live with bipolar II disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. I'm moving across an ocean to a country I've only ever visited and in which I'll know three people: my aunt, uncle, and 26-year-old cousin. I need to build a community for myself. And whereas I'd love to be able to peruse ads like I'm used to in Boston or NYC in which roommates post 3-4 sentences about themselves and 3-4 sentences about what they're looking for in a roommate, this doesn't seem to be the case here. Going for queer helps cut some of the unnecessary weeding out.
Also, it's a personal safety preference. I don't want to live with straight cismen and don't want to be in the position of telling a straight female roommate that their straight cismale significant other staying the night makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps not something you'd like to hear, but phobias are what they are.
cgcsb, I so appreciate the nuance and careful consideration which you applied to your response. Clearly when seeking accommodations which make one comfortable, one is also seeking to never leave one's home or immediate vicinity and to only ever socialize with one's roommates. Clearly. My horizons are plenty freaking broad, thanks very much, but my personal safety and mental state is of the utmost importance to me and so I'll be living with queer people. As someone about to move cross-Atlantic to a country with basically no network whatsoever, I'd prefer for home to not be a place in which my queerness and other identities are not tolerated or aren't merely free from judgment, but which are celebrated and enthused over as a shared state. It's like not wanting to live with someone who's a major partier when I'm more of a homebody and board game geek, it's all to do with sharing. But again, thanks for the care.

Fcuk me, you've got no chance over here with an attitude like that. You come across as self centered. Any rational gay person would not live with you.

wakka12

Also Op, I think youll need to learn about the differences in lgbt culture between Ireland and in your home. Here, most gay people are happy to live with straight roommates and most don't feel the need to surround themselves with only other gay people. And as such, accommodation such as the one you desire isn't that common or popular here.

ongarboy

wakka12 wrote: »

Also Op, I think youll need to learn about the differences in lgbt culture between Ireland and in your home. Here, most gay people are happy to live with straight roommates and most don't feel the need to surround themselves with only other gay people. And as such, accommodation such as the one you desire isn't that common or popular here.

Agreed! I've quite a few American gay friends and they don't seek out gay ghettos where they live so I'm unsure about how normal that is in the USA in 2017. Most live and mix with gay and straight guys and girls.

donkeykong5

weelilbit wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. When I was living in Boston it was easy to find homes that entirely consisted of queer people and queer activists. It was an explicitly and intentionally queer space. As I'll be moving from the US by myself, I'd like a soft a landing as possible because it's gonna be hard no matter what.

Am looking to only live with LGBTQ people for safety of body and mind and for building a community for myself.

This country is very pc now. Is it ok ti even use the word "queer " these days ?

donkeykong5

robyntmorton wrote: »

pilly wrote: »

What is a cisman or cismale? This is a genuine question, I have no idea?

Essentially, someone who was born male, is happy with being male, and has no intention of changing.

So in other words a man .

Jack the Stripper

Spring is here, drive on.

Peregrinus

donkeykong5 wrote: »

This country is very pc now. Is it ok ti even use the word "queer " these days ?

Yes, but only of oneself, or of someone who themselves identifies as queer.

If you use it of someone who doesn't identify as queer, that's offensive, and quite seriously so.

donkeykong5

Peregrinus wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

This country is very pc now. Is it ok ti even use the word "queer " these days ?

Yes, but only of oneself, or of someone who themselves identifies as queer.

If you use it of someone who doesn't identify as queer, that's offensive, and quite seriously so.

Yeah I thought so. It's ok for the poster to use it. But not ok for me to use it. Hard to keep up these days in pc ireland.

Peregrinus

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yeah I thought so. It's ok for the poster to use it. But not ok for me to use it. Hard to keep up these days in pc ireland.

It's OK for the poster to use it of herself, but not of you (unless she knows you welcome it). It's OK for you to use it of yourself, but not of her (unless you know she welcomes it). Same rule for both of you.

It's not that hard, really. It just requires a not very high degree of emotional intelligence and a basic degree of respect for people.

donkeykong5

Peregrinus wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yeah I thought so. It's ok for the poster to use it. But not ok for me to use it. Hard to keep up these days in pc ireland.

It's OK for the poster to use it of herself, but not of you (unless she knows you welcome it). It's OK for you to use it of yourself, but not of her (unless you know she welcomes it). Same rule for both of you.

It's not that hard, really. It just requires a not very high degree of emotional intelligence and a basic degree of respect for people.

Sorry just find it very hard to keep up with all the pc brigade rules these days. Was out of the country for a while and hadn't realised it was so so pc. Hard having to think before you speak over here. Thank god uk is still ok.

Peregrinus

I think you'll find that conventions about when to use "queer" are pretty much the same in the UK as they are in Ireland.

donkeykong5

Peregrinus wrote: »

I think you'll find that conventions about when to use "queer" are pretty much the same in the UK as they are in Ireland.

Certainly not. Over the last year.or so this has become the most pc country in the world.

baby and crumble

I have handed out a number of infractions because people are STILL ignoring mod advice. Either stick to the topic in the OP (how to find the accomodation that she is seeking) or do not post.

This is not the place to moan about Ireland being "PC".

The next folks to ignore this warning will get a weeks holiday from the forum.