Sacked with immediate effect

but1er

Hi guys

Two questions,

One I was only in the company 9 days part of a 6 month probation period do I have a right to apply?

The wording says I texted fellow colleagues about a colleague during training causing upset to that team-mate.

They have no proof is that slander and is there legal grounds there?

Hope ye can help

Tefral

Unfair dismissal only comes into play after 12months.

Nothing you can do except chalk it to experience and move on.

nhunter100

but1er wrote:

They have no proof is that slander and is there legal grounds there?

How do you know they have no proof, the teammate you texted may have showed the text to management.

Kimbot

Do you have a right to apply for what exactly??

Regardless of having No proof, if you were bad mouthing another employee off then your hardly expect to get away scott free when caught.

endacl

9 days in? If they want you out, you're out. Move on.

Atlantic Dawn

So did you send the text or not?

but1er

No text to team mates where sent.

Unfortunately I was checking in on a ill family member I was very worried about.

The girl reporting did not see eye to eye with me from day one

but1er

Can I apply there decision of sacking?

Surely they should of gotten character references

jackinthemix94

You mean appeal?

And no, no legal recourse or appeal. Move on.

listermint

No. Move on no point dwelling on this. You have no right to unfair dismissal claim if that's what you are looking for.

endacl

but1er wrote: »

Can I apply there decision of sacking?

Surely they should of gotten character references

The onus is on you to conduct yourself professionally. Reading between the lines of the limited facts you provided, they decided you weren't a good fit, you provided the opportunity, and they took it.

Learn and move on.

BrokenArrows

but1er wrote: »

Hi guys

Two questions,

One I was only in the company 9 days part of a 6 month probation period do I have a right to apply?

The wording says I texted fellow colleagues about a colleague during training causing upset to that team-mate.

They have no proof is that slander and is there legal grounds there?

Hope ye can help

You have no rights as you were in prob period and forgetting about their proof, if what they said is true then you deserve to be fired.

username2013

but1er wrote: »

No text to team mates where sent.

Unfortunately I was checking in on a ill family member I was very worried about.

The girl reporting did not see eye to eye with me from day one

So basically you're saying that you were sacked for sending a text message to see if an ill family member was OK?

If that's the case why can't you show them the text message? Where did they get the idea that you texted a fellow colleague from? I think there is something you are not telling us about this OP. No way I can see any company getting rid of a potential employee for texting a family member!

Mrs OBumble

Were you supposed to be sending texts at all?

I'm guessing that the issue isn't the content of any text, it's the fact that you sent it.

Big picture - do you really want to work with the bitch who reported you?

but1er

Thanks guys.

Anyone hiring?

loyatemu

but1er wrote: »

Anyone hiring?

not you - I've heard you're trouble :pac:

CruelCoin

but1er wrote: »

Thanks guys.

Anyone hiring?

Sure thing! Dodgy story really makes you an attractive prospect.

but1er

username2013 wrote: »

So basically you're saying that you were sacked for sending a text message to see if an ill family member was OK?

If that's the case why can't you show them the text message? Where did they get the idea that you texted a fellow colleague from? I think there is something you are not telling us about this OP. No way I can see any company getting rid of a potential employee for texting a family member!

Honestly I showed text message to them In hearing, yeah the girl made a complaint and claimed I was texting about her which is incorrect it was a family member

Gavinz

but1er wrote: »

Honestly I showed text message to them In hearing, yeah the girl made a complaint and claimed I was texting about her which is incorrect it was a family member

Your story makes no sense. Why would a girl claim you were sending texts about her?

So simple to prove otherwise.

foxatron

Your story sounds a bit funny to be honest. You'd want to get it straight cause its not your job you should be worried about, its some of the boardies on here they'll rip you and your story apart....and it wont be pretty.....just a heads up.

but1er

Right long post alert.

Started with a group of 6
This one girl and me never seen eye to eye clash of personalities and we just bump off each other.

Tuesday gone bad mood worried about home so middle of her presention I texted home (should of waited my own fault)

She took her own idea of this that I texted someome in the class went to the trainer and reported this as bully which then led to my dismissal

Stealthfins

but1er wrote:

Started with a group of 6 This one girl and me never seen eye to eye clash of personalities and we just bump off each other.

Man I'd move on if I were you,if it's true she's probably a brat and because you didn't give her the attention she thought she deserved, she probably got resentful and decided to get revenge.

Johnson_76

but1er wrote: »

Thanks guys.

Anyone hiring?

Send me a text :-)

December2012

So she said you texted something about her, nobody saw such a text and you still got fired?

There's something missing here

A2LUE42

Out of curiosity, what did you text that could be interpreted as being about a new colegue who you didn't get on with while she was presenting something?

Mrs OBumble

December2012 wrote: »

So she said you texted something about her, nobody saw such a text and you still got fired?

There's something missing here

Maybe.

Or she might just be a bitch, but the boss likes her tits or something. They're on probation, one of them needs to go. No brainer.

In which case OP is best out of there.

beechwood55

Maybe it was the rudeness of texting while another member of staff was doing a presentation that was the reason for the firing?

Stealthfins

beechwood55 wrote:

Maybe it was the rudeness of texting while another member of staff was doing a presentation that was the reason for the firing?

Jayzus seriously ???

If a company had this policy,the OP is well rid....

I let my staff text away,I like to have staff who feel a bit of freedom in their working environment.

I suppose were all professional hortuculturists and no need for presentation's my staff are well capable.
Creativity is spiritual thing it's a soul thing....It's a house thing

Play your favorite house mix and let it go Mon...

davo10

Stealthfins wrote: »

Jayzus seriously ???

If a company had this policy,the OP is well rid....

I let my staff text away,I like to have staff who feel a bit of freedom in their working environment.

I suppose were all professional hortuculturists and no need for presentation's my staff are well capable.
Creativity is spiritual thing it's a soul thing....It's a house thing

Play your favorite house mix and let it go Mon...

Looks like you and the op are a perfect fit, op you should PM steathfins your CV.

RabbleRouser2k

To be honest, it sounds like you dodged a bullet- better to be let go from the place when you were on a trial period, then to get hired, have someone be like 'he's bullying me' and have your employment record tarnished.

That boss sounds dodgy-he may very well have the eye for her, or she may very well be fulfilling a quota. Who knows. She crazy. That's all I can say really.

davo10

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

To be honest, it sounds like you dodged a bullet- better to be let go from the place when you were on a trial period, then to get hired, have someone be like 'he's bullying me' and have your employment record tarnished.

That boss sounds dodgy-he may very well have the eye for her, or she may very well be fulfilling a quota. Who knows. She crazy. That's all I can say really.

To be fair, in the second week of a new job, at a presentation with a small group, its abit stupid to be both texting on your phone, and being seen texting on your phone. To many it would appear like disinterest.

RabbleRouser2k

davo10 wrote: »

To be fair, in the second week of a new job, at a presentation with a small group, its abit stupid to be both texting on your phone, and being seen texting on your phone. To many it would appear like disinterest.

True-but in that case someone would usually walk over and be like 'Hey, mate-show some respect, okay? PResentations are on and it's important'.
Instead of a sacking-then claiming bullying...yeah, that's too extreme for my tastes.

Irish_Elect_Eng

Wierd...


Were you actually standing up and giving the presentation a the time of Textgate?

Creol1

but1er wrote: »

Hi guys

Two questions,

One I was only in the company 9 days part of a 6 month probation period do I have a right to apply?

The wording says I texted fellow colleagues about a colleague during training causing upset to that team-mate.

They have no proof is that slander and is there legal grounds there?

Hope ye can help

What does your contract of employment say? Does your employer have their own disciplinary procedures they failed to adhere to?

The offence of slander no longer exists per se, but there is a general offence of defamation, which could come into play here.

Flippyfloppy

Was your message easily /conveniently interpreted as being about a sick person / boring colleague? Did it go something like this 'this is ****, can't wait to be out of here, she is just awful' [-ly sick I hope she gets better soon]

Stealthfins

davo10 wrote:

Looks like you and the op are a perfect fit, op you should PM steathfins your CV.

Very funny, just because I believe in a more relaxed working atmosphere you said that.

Davo I don't believe in the new age thing tying people to desks or work benches.
Firing people because I don't like them,then saying I can do what I like because I'm the boss.
I'm under the impression you use the good old you're not here long enough so I can fire you if I like.

If someone has an important text to send I think it's OK.
Firing people over sending a text during a presentation lol it's not North Korea.

My staff are well able to send messages and tune in to what's going on around them.


There's a big difference between working in an office environment and working in the outside world.

You'll work harder physically sometimes but at the end of the day you can see your work done, and look at it with satisfaction.

If you need to go for a pss you don't have to log out of your working station or computer and it's timed,so if you're gone too long you'll get a warning.

Those kind of working conditions are a million miles away from my working conditions.

I probably earn a lot more than you anyway,had my mortgage paid off by the time I was 35

livedadream

So you were in a company 9 days, had already rubbed a colleague up the wrong way (maybe because you have an attitude of '' the boss likes her tits or something '' which is just the type of guy everyone wants to work with)
She was giving a presentation which you decided to ignore, pull out your phone and start texting.
Mate you wouldn't make it through probation in any of the companies I've worked for either.
Your coming across as ignorant, not only as a person (by not realising texting when someone is presenting to you is dopey as ****) by not doing the usual social expectation as being whiter than white and cleaner than clean In a new job (9 days in) but ignorant in how you spoke of your colleague and the company.
1. You weren't sacked, you were told while on probation that you weren't a good fit and that you didn't pass your probation.
I'm guessing because the managers went Jesus Christ this guy is oblivious get him out asap.
2. You come across as an asshole- referring to your colleague as not having the job for a reason other than the boss liking her tits.
3. Slander? Seriously a colleague giving a presentation said to her manager this guys is wrecking my head pulled out his phone in the middle of a presentation and ignored me and started texting away.

Move on, cop on and grow up.

The only people who get away with texting during either a conversation or a presentation in real life at work are people who are important in the org. Not people in the door 9 days. It's hardly business critical is it?

lawred2

livedadream wrote: »

So you were in a company 9 days, had already rubbed a colleague up the wrong way (maybe because you have an attitude of '' the boss likes her tits or something '' which is just the type of guy everyone wants to work with)
She was giving a presentation which you decided to ignore, pull out your phone and start texting.
Mate you wouldn't make it through probation in any of the companies I've worked for either.
Your coming across as ignorant, not only as a person (by not realising texting when someone is presenting to you is dopey as ****) by not doing the usual social expectation as being whiter than white and cleaner than clean In a new job (9 days in) but ignorant in how you spoke of your colleague and the company.
1. You weren't sacked, you were told while on probation that you weren't a good fit and that you didn't pass your probation.
I'm guessing because the managers went Jesus Christ this guy is oblivious get him out asap.
2. You come across as an asshole- referring to your colleague as not having the job for a reason other than the boss liking her tits.
3. Slander? Seriously a colleague giving a presentation said to her manager this guys is wrecking my head pulled out his phone in the middle of a presentation and ignored me and started texting away.

Move on, cop on and grow up.

The only people who get away with texting during either a conversation or a presentation in real life at work are people who are important in the org. Not people in the door 9 days. It's hardly business critical is it?

I don't think the likes her tits comment was the ops

but1er

I went to the trainer at the end of class explained the situation at home and apologies for texting I was worried about home.

I feel favoritism against me. This company was all about progress and helping people why could they just not sit me down and say cop on,

Very drastic.

I feel it's slander as there saying on the letter upsetting other people in work what proof have they got? They have none, yes I'm on my phone there is the text with date and time to home.

but1er

Creol1 wrote: »

What does your contract of employment say? Does your employer have their own disciplinary procedures they failed to adhere to?

The offence of slander no longer exists per se, but there is a general offence of defamation, which could come into play here.

Unfortunately I have no right to appeal it because I was on probation.

livedadream

Well did you upset her?
You have to see it from their side as well like if the trainer came to them and said this douche has been texting through my class etc he's not the right fit for the company of course their going to get rid of you.

It sounds like you made a really bad impression let it go it's not slander if you really were being a jackass.

but1er

livedadream wrote: »

Well did you upset her?
You have to see it from their side as well like if the trainer came to them and said this douche has been texting through my class etc he's not the right fit for the company of course their going to get rid of you.

It sounds like you made a really bad impression let it go it's not slander if you really were being a jackass.

You know what the worse thing is I got the total other Impression the feedback all positive got on well with other class mates.

Yes I sent one text I was worried. I done it on the sly and she got the hump

livedadream

And you were new and they decided they didn't want the trouble. You said you had an issue with this employee since day one.
That's never a good sign.

CruelCoin

but1er wrote: »

I went to the trainer at the end of class explained the situation at home and apologies for texting I was worried about home.

I feel favoritism against me. This company was all about progress and helping people why could they just not sit me down and say cop on,

Very drastic.

I feel it's slander as there saying on the letter upsetting other people in work what proof have they got? They have none, yes I'm on my phone there is the text with date and time to home.

Nobody is going to fire anyone for a text. They certainly aren't going to waste precious time on such a trivial thing.

There is more to this story than you're telling us.

What was your attitude when challenged on it during the meeting?

Was it "oh, my bad, sorry!" or was it "dafuq bud, whats yer problem?"

If its the latter, or any shade of the latter, that's why you were sacked, not the text.

timmy880

It's 9 days in and already you're saying "this company is like this and that, there's favoritism etc."

If that's your attitude then obviously they weren't a fan of it. I doubt it's this one text that got you out the door but how do you fall out with people and claim that they have favorites in the company in such a short space of time?

You're coming across like a difficult person to work with and you don't seem to realise it. Maybe it's a good lesson that this happened here and you can start fresh somewhere new.

Keyzer

Still doesn't add up - are you really telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

duffer247

BrokenArrows wrote: »

You have no rights as you were in prob period and forgetting about their proof, if what they said is true then you deserve to be fired.

I wouldn't say that a person on probation has no rights, they have whatever rights are in the probationary policy of the company or probationary clause in the contract given. These would normally allow an opportunity for under-performers to improve their performance during the probationary period - if they fail to do so then they can be let go. They also have rights under Equality legislation.

DEFTLEFTHAND

What a vile, vindictive woman.

People like that are a cancer in any organisation.

Glenster

It doesn't matter whether you did it or it was fair or anything.

You were on probation. They don't even have to give a reason.

As long as it wasn't discriminatory, (i.e. they explicitly said "its because youre a protestant/Chinese person/disabled") you cant do nothing.

livedadream

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What a vile, vindictive woman.

People like that are a cancer in any organisation.

#nastywoman
lolz

CruelCoin

livedadream wrote: »

#nastywoman
lolz

#rite2job4life