Please explain this to me. Chassis number

Johnson_76

Notch000 wrote: »

Break it for parts like a real criminal , or stick it on done deal, as a slaaaab car with no log book

I had no other choice but to use it today, and low and behold there was a checkpoint, I had a story ready to blurt out and the psg documents and was just waved on..

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

And to answer someones question yes it was the serial at the dashboard which was glued over and noticed by the NCT.

Ok, if you want to confirm one way or another yourself, I'd recommend finding the 'stamped in' VIN and comparing it to your registration certificate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY4u93SSBa8

Voodoomelon

Johnson_76 wrote: »

I had no other choice but to use it today, and low and behold there was a checkpoint, I had a story ready to blurt out and the psg documents and was just waved on..

There's always another choice between driving a potentially stolen and uninsured car and not. Extremely foolish and wreckless.

Isambard

it is definitely uninsured because it isn't the car that the policy will be on, it's a totally different car to what the VLC shows.

You couldn't just swap your reg number to another car and expect it to be insured could you?

Now that the problem is known, there is no excuse and I suppose it's possible the NCT will have informed the Gards

robtri

Johnson_76 wrote: »

I had no other choice but to use it today, and low and behold there was a checkpoint, I had a story ready to blurt out and the psg documents and was just waved on..

u always have a choice....
what was so important that needed your car and that nothing else would work

Peregrinus

Johnson_76 wrote: »

I had no other choice but to use it today . . .

If God had intended you to drive this car today, He would not have created taxis or buses or bicycles or legs or friends with other cars.

Johnson_76

You can't beat a lesson in morality from complete strangers.

9935452

Johnson_76 wrote: »

You can't beat a lesson in morality from complete strangers.

Thats what happens when you go onto a public forum looking for advice from these same strangers.

Seriously though park the car up and get the guards involved.
Even do as mentioned above , get someone to connect to the ecu and read the chassis number from it if possible
If it is cloned you have no insurance whatsoever,
The car isnt the car you are insured on, your driving of other cars probably doesnt cover you as you dont have permission of the owner.
car isnt nctd or taxed even when you think about it .

No insurance /tax/nct and driving a stolen cloned car

Wibbs

Johnson_76 wrote: »

You can't beat a lesson in morality from complete strangers.

I agree. I've previously noted that perusing threads with any "morality" involved it's hardly a surprise that in the past the church found so many crawthumpers eager to display their sanctimony and virtue.

That said and the sanctimony aside, you will be utterly fooked if you are discovered driving this car. As 9935452 said you'll be knowingly driving a stolen car with no tax or insurance. Few enough legal scenarios in motoring are worse or have worse penalties. Ignore the publicly pious, but for your own sake lock it up and walk away and don't drive it.

Johnson_76

I do not know it was stolen, no one has confirmed that to me. So less of the fear please.

Anyway here are some pics, this was glued over the chassis below the dashboard.

Isambard

whether or not it is stolen is not relevant. It's not legally entitled to be on the road and not insured, you are taking a huge risk driving it, especially if the Gard's have been notified, which they may have been

brembo26

Johnson_76 wrote: »

I do not know it was stolen, no one has confirmed that to me. So less of the fear please.

Anyway here are some pics, this was glued over the chassis below the dashboard.

That was a terrible effort by whoever made it How nobody noticed it for 10 years I cant understand :eek:

Wibbs

brembo26 wrote: »

How nobody noticed it for 10 years I cant understand :eek:

That was my first thought. Not that the NCT found it recently, but how did they miss it for ten years? I thought checking the chassis number was one of their tasks? The mechanic not seeing it is more worrying TBH.

Johnson_76

Wibbs wrote: »

That was my first thought. Not that the NCT found it recently, but how did they miss it for ten years? I thought checking the chassis number was one of their tasks? The mechanic not seeing it is more worrying TBH.

I would say the mechanic was in on it. Logbook says it was first registered in ireland 2001 so must have been an import maybe this has something to do with it ?

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

Logbook says it was first registered in ireland 2001 so must have been an import maybe this has something to do with it ?

Is there a previous UK registration number in the logbook? It should be in section (J.4) between previous owners and engine CC.

Johnson_76

Buffman wrote: »

Is there a previous UK registration number in the logbook? It should be in section (J.4) between previous owners and engine CC.

Yes there is ! What does that mean ? Thanks

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

Yes there is ! What does that mean ? Thanks

That means that the car on the logbook was imported from the UK. The question is if that's the car you have in your driveway. One way to possibly find out is do a 'Cartell' type check on the UK number and see what VIN/chassis number it relates to, and compare to the 'stamped in' number on yours.

Am I correct in thinking that below that plastic VIN, there was another different VIN? Does that VIN match the 'stamped in' VIN?

EDIT: Just to add, there's also a handy free UK DVLA check which can give you basic information, pop that UK reg in and see what you get.

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

Johnson_76

Thanks for the info. The uk vin (j.4) does not match the chassis number on the car itself.

In fact there is only a difference of two digits between the plastic "sony" number and the correct number.

Edit # I keyed in details to uk site and it gives me cad details not much else, untaxed since 2002

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

The uk vin (j.4) does not match the chassis number on the car itself.

That J4 number is the UK 'number plate' number, should be a letter, 3 numbers and 3 letters. Or mabe I'm taking you up wrong, did you do the cartell check? EDIT: Never mind, I see your edit above.

The VIN (vehicle identification number) is also the Chassis number.

Johnson_76 wrote: »

In fact there is only a difference of two digits between the plastic "sony" number and the correct number.

That's even stranger, the chances of finding a car with a VIN that close to ring are very slim.

Johnson_76 wrote: »

I keyed in details to uk site and it gives me cad details not much else, untaxed since 2002

I'm guessing the colour and engine details etc matched up?
Ye, to confirm the VIN relating to that UK number plate, you'll have to pay for a 'cartell' type check.

Johnson_76

Buffman wrote: »

That J4 number is the UK 'number plate' number, should be a letter, 3 numbers and 3 letters. Or mabe I'm taking you up wrong, did you do the cartell check? EDIT: Never mind, I see your edit above.

The VIN (vehicle identification number) is also the Chassis number.




That's even stranger, the chances of finding a car with a VIN that close to ring are very slim.

Okay, I have not done a cartell, it costs 25 euro. I am mega confused but will get to the bottom some how..

Johnson_76

Buffman wrote: »

That J4 number is the UK 'number plate' number, should be a letter, 3 numbers and 3 letters. Or mabe I'm taking you up wrong, did you do the cartell check? EDIT: Never mind, I see your edit above.

The VIN (vehicle identification number) is also the Chassis number.




That's even stranger, the chances of finding a car with a VIN that close to ring are very slim.



I'm guessing the colour and engine details etc matched up?
Ye, to confirm the VIN relating to that UK number plate, you'll have to pay for a 'cartell' type check.

Yes colour engine size, everything match...

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

Yes colour engine size, everything match...

Ye, it's very strange that the two VINs are only 2 digits out. Just so I have it clear, the 'plastic number' matches the logbook number and the other hidden number is 2 digits out?

Did you have a look at any of the other number locations, do they match the plastic one or the hidden one?

Johnson_76

Buffman wrote: »

Ye, it's very strange that the two VINs are only 2 digits out. Just so I have it clear, the 'plastic number' matches the logbook number and the other hidden number is 2 digits out?

Did you have a look at any of the other number locations, do they match the plastic one or the hidden one?

Yes you are correct in the above

I will have a look around the car tomorrow for ither VINs thanks

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

Yes you are correct in the above

I will have a look around the car tomorrow for ither VINs thanks

Ye, the 'stamped in' number near the wipers should tell you more.

mb1725

You can also check BMW VIN numbers online here: http://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/vin/decoder/online/

Buffman

Buffman wrote: »

That's even stranger, the chances of finding a car with a VIN that close to ring are very slim.

Buffman wrote: »

Ye, it's very strange that the two VINs are only 2 digits out. Just so I have it clear, the 'plastic number' matches the logbook number and the other hidden number is 2 digits out?

Actually from looking in greater detail at BMW VIN's, the last few digits are the actual serial number, so if you clone an identical car of the same year, the 2 VIN's may only have a few digits difference at the end. So it may not be that strange that there's only 2 digits out after all.

Johnson_76

mb1725 wrote: »

You can also check BMW VIN numbers online here: http://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/vin/decoder/online/

The original VIN is showing up on this site, but the vin on the logbook is not. ?

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

The original VIN is showing up on this site, but the vin on the logbook is not. ?

Another possible scenario is maybe an error was made with the VIN on the paperwork during the VRT process when it was imported, and for whatever reason, instead of correcting the paperwork, some absolute idiot tried to match the car to the incorrect Irish logbook VIN instead. But that's so implausible, I can't see it being the case.

It'll all come down to what VIN is linked to the original UK number plate on the logbook.

Buffman

Johnson_76 wrote: »

Okay, I have not done a cartell, it costs 25 euro. I am mega confused but will get to the bottom some how..

Just on that, I've had a quick check through the reputable UK car check sites. The cheapest I can find a VIN/Reg match and UK stolen vehicle check is £1.99 on mycarcheck, if that's of any use to you.

https://www.mycarcheck.com/

pa990

Check for the chassis /vin number elsewhere on the car

http://bmw-e36.com/tips/35-bmw-e36-vin-location.html

Are they all the same ?




If you have vins that differ between the front and rear, you might have a cut-and-shut.