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€3~4K budget for bike

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    TheBlaaMan
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    mookie2007 wrote: »
    Definitely want disc brakes on new machine....... and weight important as tend to do a fair bit of climbing

    I see a problem here.......


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    jon1981
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    OP what weight are you? Would weight make that much of a difference?


    ticks all the boxes and under budget... leaving room for wheels ...though not sure what options you have wheels when you commit to discs.

    http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/defy.advanced.1/28601/99367/
    http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/defy.advanced.pro.2/28602/99366/

    I have to be honest shifters designed for discs are fugly


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    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    mookie2007 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Looking for feedback good or bad on any of the bikes below or any alternatives
    Currently have a canyon endurace CF (dura ace) and a Boardman team carbon.

    Definitely want disc brakes on new machine groupset - ultegra not looking for a race geometry more relaxed and weight important as tend to do a fair bit of climbing.

    Any thoughts / recommendations very welcome

    Thanks in advance

    https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-disc-9-0-aero.html
    https://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=100121
    https://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=100120
    https://www.evanscycles.com/en-ie/specialized-roubaix-expert-2017-road-bike-EV279854
    https://www.evanscycles.com/en-ie/bmc-granfondo-gf01-ultegra-disc-2016-road-bike-EV237596

    Rented the cannondale synapse (non disc version) in Girona back in October and absolutely loved it. The geometry is very relaxed and similar to my Giant Defy. I'd deffo consider one when getting my next bike.


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    irishrover99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    TheBlaaMan wrote: »
    I see a problem here.......

    The Canyon at 7.9 kg for a medium isn't exactly heavy and i think it looks the best and best spec bike there.


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    Fian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭Fian


    https://www.rosebikes.com/bike/rose-x-lite-cdx-3100-890046/aid:890048


    7.3kg, Di2, Hydraullic discs, in your budget.


    https://www.rosebikes.com/bike/rose-x-lite-cdx-8800/aid:890161

    Also in budget, 6.9 kg, SRAM red rather than di2.


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    jon1981
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    Also not mad on the cannodale colour schemes...


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    fat bloke
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    irishrover99 wrote: »
    The Canyon at 7.9 kg for a medium isn't exactly heavy and i think it looks the best and best spec bike there.

    Personally if a mate of mine paid 3 to 4 grand for a road bike and it weighed near-as-dammit 8kg he/she would be taunted and booed until my throat was sore. :p

    It should be possible to do a lot better.


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    terrydel
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    fat bloke wrote: »
    Personally if a mate of mine paid 3 to 4 grand for a road bike and it weighed near-as-dammit 8kg he/she would be taunted and booed until my throat was sore. :p

    It should be possible to do a lot better.

    Haha. I think most average cycles should concentrate on losing weight from their own sorry frames rather than the bikes, in my experience like :p:pac:


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    fat bloke
    Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    terrydel wrote: »
    Haha. I think most average cycles should concentrate on losing weight from their own sorry frames rather than the bikes, in my experience like :p:pac:

    Well, absolutely yeah, but if you're happy with an 8kg bike, you'll get one for 1500 quid.


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    jon1981
    Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    Also do you really want your ass kicked by a person on a 1500e bike when you're riding a 4k bike... oh the embarrassment.

    When i've no more poundage to loose I'll become a weight weenie!!


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    mookie2007
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mookie2007


    BlaaMan obviously yes im aware their will be a weight penalty going with Discs but just im weight conscious I know Ill get nowhere near my current canyon which is under 7KG's with Rim brakes.

    Jon The Giant Defy 1 looks great value and as you say leaves plenty of room for wheel upgrades. Yeah the Ultegra colour is awful but the 105 looks good in the flesh. Im 74Kgs

    Terry good to know thanks for the info re Syanpse

    Irish Rover in my opinion 7.9Kgs at that price with disc brakes is not heavy until i saw Fians post with Rose bikes they look like an option. Dont know much about Rose in terms of quality?

    Fat bloke take your point if i forgot about the Disc brakes most og these bikes would come near or under 7KGS.
    So in terms of disc brakes I like the comfort in terms of stopping power and confidence on decents the disc brakes would give you particularly in Ireland with bad roads alot of wet weather.

    Most bike brands for 2017 seem to be carrying disc brakes as standard so id say the trend will continue.

    John


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    ford2600
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    jon1981 wrote: »
    Also do you really want your ass kicked by a person on a 1500e bike when you're riding a 4k bike... oh the embarrassment.

    When i've no more poundage to loose I'll become a weight weenie!!

    1500?

    How about 50.

    https://youtu.be/qNaqRgGOuQQ


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    jon1981
    Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    ford2600 wrote: »
    1500?

    How about 50.

    https://youtu.be/qNaqRgGOuQQ

    The shame! I'd be selling all things bicycle related


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    jon1981
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    mookie2007 wrote: »

    Most bike brands for 2017 seem to be carrying disc brakes as standard so id say the trend will continue.

    John


    This makes me sad :(

    I like the simplicity of rim brakes, no hassle maintenance.


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    LCD
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    Something a bit different with a Bianchi?

    http://thebikestation.ie/bianchi/

    Intenso Disc with 105 at €3,500


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    irishrover99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Personally if a mate of mine paid 3 to 4 grand for a road bike and it weighed near-as-dammit 8kg he/she would be taunted and booed until my throat was sore. :p

    It should be possible to do a lot better.

    But the extra weight is from the disc brakes so that should be normal weight?
    I'd imagine the non disc version would be closer to the 7.0 mark


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    fat bloke
    Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    LCD wrote: »
    Something a bit different with a Bianchi?

    http://thebikestation.ie/bianchi/

    Intenso Disc with 105 at €3,500

    I'd have to play a similar card there again. 105 is a cheap groupset. Available on a deal for less than 400 quid. 3,500 for a bike with only 105 on it is mental. You can and should do waaayy better than that for that kind of money.


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    jon1981
    Registered Users Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    LCD wrote: »
    Something a bit different with a Bianchi?

    http://thebikestation.ie/bianchi/

    Intenso Disc with 105 at €3,500

    Paying for the Bianchi brand


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    mookie2007
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mookie2007


    ford2600 wrote: »
    1500?

    How about 50.


    https://youtu.be/qNaqRgGOuQQ


    :D:D:D:D:D Its all about the legs!

    Yeah lets face it weve all been passed on climbs by some skinny young guy on an inferior bike.

    Never gets any easier :( still soul destroying


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    mookie2007
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mookie2007


    LCD wrote: »
    Something a bit different with a Bianchi?

    http://thebikestation.ie/bianchi/

    Intenso Disc with 105 at €3,500

    Nice bike but agree for 105 paying a premium for the brandname!


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    diarmaidol
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    If you jump straight to the weight discussion in relation to disks, then you are missing some of the main points for using them. I see 2 benefits of running a disks not normally discussed, 1) if you pay a grand for a nice carbon wheel set, do you really want to use it as an abrasive break surface? 2) they easily allow for the use of wider tyres, which in Ireland in invaluable for comfort and also should have the benefit as well of protecting your expensive rims.


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    terrydel
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    fat bloke wrote: »
    I'd have to play a similar card there again. 105 is a cheap groupset. Available on a deal for less than 400 quid. 3,500 for a bike with only 105 on it is mental. You can and should do waaayy better than that for that kind of money.

    Typical of the Italian approach to anything in that they think everyone should be honoured to pay extra for the made in Italy 'cache'. My hole.


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    ford2600
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    terrydel wrote: »
    Typical of the Italian approach to anything in that they think everyone should be honoured to pay extra for the made in Italy 'cache'. My hole.

    You've never owned an Oleomac strimmer or hedgecutter I see


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    Fian
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    mookie2007 wrote: »

    Irish Rover in my opinion 7.9Kgs at that price with disc brakes is not heavy until i saw Fians post with Rose bikes they look like an option. Dont know much about Rose in terms of quality?

    I love mine, but granted only previous road bike I had cost me (second hand) about 10% of what I paid for my rose so I guess it is to be expected that I would be delighted with the upgrade. My previous bike was an aluminium ridley with tiagra 9 speed gearing.

    I have a Xeon cdx di2 rose, which is very comfortable to ride. Not as light as the ones I linked, I am 90 kgs so I really don't care about an extra kg on my bike. My focus was on comfort for longer spins.

    https://www.rosebikes.com/bike/rose-xeon-cdx-3100-di2-disc/aid:820865


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    fat bloke
    Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    terrydel wrote: »
    Typical of the Italian approach to anything in that they think everyone should be honoured to pay extra for the made in Italy 'cache'. My hole.

    That's a bit harsh. Wholewheat Barilla pasta is half price at the moment in SuperValue. :)


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    OleRodrigo
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    Lidl do a special on Dolmio, occasionally.


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    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ford2600 wrote: »
    You've never owned an Oleomac strimmer or hedgecutter I see

    My life clearly isnt complete!
    Ive owned theor motorbikes, and believe me, the 30-40% premium on them over Japanese bikes is to say the least unwarranted.


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    OleRodrigo
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    Back in the day (up until about last year) 3000 would get a nice frame, high end gruppo, a respectable set of wheels, would look the business and come in around 7 kg.

    You'd still have a chunk of folding money left over.


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    fat bloke
    Registered Users Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    OleRodrigo wrote: »
    Back in the day (up until about last year) 3000 would get a nice frame, high end gruppo, a respectable set of wheels, would look the business and come in around 7 kg.

    You'd still have a chunk of folding money left over.

    You're not wrong. There's a serious creeping up of prices happening where now every manufacturer's top end bike is 5 figures 10-12 grand. Plenty of bikes now for 5 & 6000 euro with only ultegra and cosmic elites. God bless Canyon and their finishing kit ethos. High end groupsets and the best of wheelsets. None of this "Here's how your bike would look like on carbon clinchers" **

    **Actual spec may not match picture**


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    mookie2007
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭mookie2007


    fat bloke wrote: »
    You're not wrong. There's a serious creeping up of prices happening where now every manufacturer's top end bike is 5 figures 10-12 grand. Plenty of bikes now for 5 & 6000 euro with only ultegra and cosmic elites. God bless Canyon and their finishing kit ethos. High end groupsets and the best of wheelsets. None of this "Here's how your bike would look like on carbon clinchers" **

    **Actual spec may not match picture**


    Ok so bearing this in mind you guys are saying go for the canyon with high end spec decent frame and set of carbon clinchers


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