haunted bread

Galwayguy35

endacl wrote: »

Because only one has had input into social policy here?

That will soon change with all the muslims the Government are going to let in here.

Chancer3001

If you dont belueve its ACTUALLY his body...and you think thats its just a symbol....well then youre a protestant.

Religion is fun.

Lets just not think about it and foplow ut cos its what most people do/did and its easier that way.

NickNickleby

darkpagandeath wrote: »

RTE Is a TV station and a set. Nothing to do with any Religious place. Most people here would think it was bad form if the guy turned up into a church mid mass shouting “Hunted Bread.”

I take your point on this. Now, if the cameras had been off, would he have said it, and would I care? No, and No. That he chose to do it on prime time tv, can only suggest that he was either deliberately trying to wind up Catholics, or he was careless as to the insult it represented. But as I've said in previous posts, I don't know of any occasion when he made similar remarks about , for instance, Islam. I further suspect that if he did, Tubridy would be all over him. Its this apparent lack of consistency that winds me up more than anything else.

Junkyard Tom

Winterlong wrote: »

*Enter lame Fr Ted quote here.

Robineen

The 'haunted bread' joke made me laugh, anyways. I'm not sure it's a Rubberbandits original actually, think I heard it somewhere else before.

ScumLord

NickNickleby wrote: »

part2 : by trying to get comedians gagged for making jokes - but that's not what I believe is happening here. I believe a complaint is being made for the deliberate ridiculing of religious beliefs

Why can't we ridicule religion. Religion is ridiculous, IMO. Am I not entitled to have that opinion or express it?

part3 : forcing women to carry children they don't want etc. I don't believe the way people feel about abortion is influenced by their religious beliefs, but I could be wrong and would agree with you if that was the case.

It's definitely influenced by their religious beliefs and promoted by religions and religious groups. Before Christianity came along plenty of Europeans used to just throw away unwanted newborns.

Both religions worship the same God. And Judaism. For me, I respect all religions and none. I've stood and offered up prayers at a Shinto Shrine, I've stood respectfully before a shrine in a Hindu household (I was a child in Birmingham 50 odd years ago) because I respected the beliefs of the family present. I attended religious sermons in a Presbyterian house of God. And every Sunday, I went to Latin Mass. This is what makes me what I am. Whatever that might be:D

There's a time and a place for it. I wouldn't go out of my way to let people know I think religion is ridiculous, I go along with religious ceremonies for my family's sake. A national debate show seems like the ideal time though. We can't give people a list of things they can't say about certain topics because the people invested in the cult might get upset that you're pointing out they're in a cult.

Robineen

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

Leaving aside your despicable language, he's as entitled to make a complaint to the Broadcasting Authority as you or I. What's it to you if he does? Who forced you to read the story or comment on it?

Who forced him to watch the Late Late Show that night?

Fries-With-That

gramar wrote: »

People do believe it in a symbolic way. Communion is a central part of the celebration of mass. Not even the most devout believer thinks it physically changes but it is an ordinary object that takes on an extraordinary significance. If some twat who seems to think he's the voice of a generation wants to have a pop at that then good luck to him.

Where I live, the places that make communion wafers sell off the part not used as a snack like below. It's just a bit of wafer. If you want believe it's something more then good luck to you.

Is this a real snack and is it really called "pan de angel". I for one think its very holy looking.

frag420

infogiver wrote: »

No it's because it's easy, no one ever fights back

Stop being a wuss and defend yourself then instead of moaning about it, you have faith don't ya, defend it??

its lazy and it lets pathetic loners stuck to the keyboard waiting for their mammy to tell them their tea is ready think that they're sticking it to the man.
Sticking chocolate to their trousers is more like it.

no idea where to start with that.....

Let's have a go at Islam instead. They have at least changed foreign travel for us forever.?

You are confusing Islam with Michael O'Leary, an easy mistake to make.

Go on ! Really stick it to the man by having a go st the crowd in the mosque! All that kneeling and praying!!

Im a gentleman, ladies first...

NickNickleby

ScumLord wrote: »

Why can't we ridicule religion. Religion is ridiculous, IMO. Am I not entitled to have that opinion or express it?

It's definitely influenced by their religious beliefs and promoted by religions and religious groups. Before Christianity came along plenty of Europeans used to just throw away unwanted newborns.


There's a time and a place for it. I wouldn't go out of my way to let people know I think religion is ridiculous, I go along with religious ceremonies for my family's sake. A national debate show seems like the ideal time though. We can't give people a list of things they can't say about certain topics because the people invested in the cult might get upset that you're pointing out they're in a cult.

Point 1. I think you're entitled to point out that religion is ridiculous because little if any of it stands up to scientific scrutiny. But that's somewhat different to ridiculing it - and by extension its adherents. Pedantic perhaps, but I thinks its a valid point and the distinction is valid.

Point 2. I still can't accept that people in Ireland live their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Could it be that people believe some things are inherently right, and by some wild coincidence, are aligned with RC teaching? You'd be right to ask if this is simply indoctrination at work, but I prefer to believe most of us are capable of independent thought.

Point 3. You've got something there. Are Irish Catholics (like me) more comfortable with the 'tradition' of being RC. I have to admit to feeling a certain 'belonging' when in Church. Here's one for you: I was at a Funeral Mass the other day, and I felt the whole thing was a real comfort to the poor bereaved family. How much of that was the sense of community rather than religion, I cannot say. Even as I listened to the sermon, I wondered how much was just 'words' written down by some scholar and repeated without thought. But I gave the words some thought, even if they didn't reveal whether or not they had been divinely inspired. But they did offer some hope...... IF you believe.

Point 3.1(hah) I still think there's an important distinction between ridicule and criticism.

Thank you for the courteous discussion.

gramar

Fries-With-That wrote: »

Is this a real snack and is it really called "pan de angel". I for one think its very holy looking.

Yes and yes and yes it is indeed very holy looking.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

What? If there's anything more boring then an atheist it's an agnostic
"I don't know what I believe! Boo hoo hoo"
Please get off the fence and have some balls!

Hehe. Why? Certainty is a sign of ignorance and desperation - ignorance of the numerous perspectives and unknown knowledge on life's meaning and desperation to have certainties/security.

I have yet to see the evidence that there is not a god/ greater power of some sort, or that there is. Agnosticism is, for me, the only rational position. I live quite comfortably with uncertainty on this topic. I have no answers and people going around pretending they do are embarrassing themselves.

OT: As Dara Ó Briain said a few years ago, yes I would deride other religions but to be frank I value my life. And that summarises the bravery here. Attacking the RCC in Ireland in 1950 or 1980 was admirably brave. In 2017, it's far from it. And my family would very much be rooted in the socialist-republican tradition which the RCC reviled and demonised so much long before "atheism" became the fashionable umbrella term for the Irish anti-clerical tradition. RCC loyalists were the mob in 1950; atheists are the mob in 2017 (at least on Irish online discussion fora).

infogiver

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hehe. Why? Certainty is a sign of ignorance and desperation - ignorance of the numerous perspectives and unknown knowledge on life's meaning and desperation to have certainties/security.

I have yet to see the evidence that there is not a god/ greater power of some sort, or that there is. Agnosticism is, for me, the only rational position. I live quite comfortably with uncertainty on this topic. I have no answers and people going around pretending they do are embarrassing themselves.

OT: As Dara Ó Briain said a few years ago, yes I would deride other religions but to be frank I value my life. And that summarises the bravery here. Attacking the RCC in Ireland in 1950 or 1980 was admirably brave. In 2017, it's far from it. And my family would very much be rooted in the socialist-republican tradition which the RCC reviled and demonised so much long before "atheism" became the fashionable umbrella term for the Irish anti-clerical tradition. RCC loyalists were the mob in 1950; atheists are the mob in 2017 (at least on Irish online discussion fora).

You can imagine what most of the "spaghetti monster " people are like in real life, terminal bores desperately latching on to what they think is the latest fashionable protest just to vent they're pretty full spleens, because they want to be part of the "cool" gang even if the "cool" gang is anonymous and in cyberspace. Lots of atheists here though tooable to put their point across without behaving like knobheads

frag420

infogiver wrote: »

You can imagine what most of the "spaghetti monster " people are like in real life, terminal bores desperately latching on to what they think is the latest fashionable protest just to vent they're pretty full spleens, because they want to be part of the "cool" gang even if the "cool" gang is anonymous and in cyberspace. Lots of atheists here though tooable to put their point across without behaving like knobheads

Probably similar to what people thought about people who suddenly started listening to the words of a man who claimed to be the saviour, the son of god who would rise from the dead!?

Just terrible bores who latched into whatever was the latest fashionable protest against the slave owners so as to be a part of the cool gang!?

Fr_Dougal

Satriale wrote: »

Dear Father,

Forgive this man his Pride and Wrath. Bestow on him the knowledge of Kindness and Love and Respect

Amen

Done. 👍🏻

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

When I was a child and listing to....the father son and holy ghost, I heard it as the holy goat!

This made me laugh. Just stuck in there in the middle of all this arguing about Catholics and Muslims and atheists. Holy goat!

Satriale

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Done. 👍🏻

Tenner in the post , Fader.

super_furry

mariaalice wrote: »

When I was a child and listing to....the father son and holy ghost, I heard it as the holy goat!

That part in mass where you have to shake the hands of old people and mumble 'peace be with you'? For absolute years, I thought it was 'pleased to meet you'.

Billy86

Boggy Turf wrote: »

You cook your deity? Interesting.

How is bread made, again?

bnt

Billy86 wrote: »

How is bread made, again?

Baked, which raises some questions about what they were smoking 2,000 years ago ... anyway, the RTE is rejecting the complaint as "provocative" and "part of the conversation", no more than that.

infogiver

bnt wrote: »

Baked, which raises some questions about what they were smoking 2,000 years ago ... anyway, the RTE is rejecting the complaint as "provocative" and "part of the conversation", no more than that.

The complaint will have to go to the BAI then

electrobanana

Did i read somewhere that RTE apologised for this?