Am I getting old or is music gone to pot altogether?

gramar

There's a radio show on here that picks a random week from the last 40 years and runs down through the UK top 40. Listening the other day I came to the unavoidable conclusion that music really has gone to crap altogether in the last 15 years. The week in question was the beginning of January 1985...and below is a selection from the Top 20...

Do they know it's Christmas
Last Christmas - Wham!
We all stand together - McCartney
Like a virgin
Ghostbusters
The power of love
Shout - Tears for fears
Everything must change - Paul Young
The riddle - Nik Kershaw
One night in Bangkok
I should have known better - Jim Diamond

I just called to say - Stevie Wonder ......nº 23!

30 years on I can't imagine anyone listening back to the current charts and even remembering the songs let alone thinking they were any good.
To be honest I haven't heard of most of the current Top 20 but I just can't see names like Rag'n'bone man, Zara Larsson, Neiked or Chainsmokers FT Halsey lasting the tests of time.

me_irl

Wibbs

Yep, I can confirm; you're old. Sorry.

steddyeddy

Probrably both.

The flying mouse

I don't no.

valoren

It's selective bias and also survivorship bias.

When you look at retrospectives such as music , then the selection will focus on the hits or the best songs of a particular era.
It follows that you will surmise that the music of that era was pretty much brilliant.

That's survivorship bias.

To me the prefect illustration of this was RTE's reeling in the years when you compare the first season and the last season.
The initial episodes were fantastic because they had the advantage of time.
The most important events of a particular year had the time to emerge, and the best music of the year could be matched to those events.

The production team in 1999 looking to make an episode for the year 1980 had that advantage.
They had Lennon Assasintated, H block prisoners, Who shot JR, Anglo Irish talks, Charlie, Olympic boycotts.

The same production team working in 2010 were making an episode about the year 2009.
They had the Thierry Henry handball, Rugby's grandslam, floods in Cork, Pat Kenny leaving the Late Late (all superfluous crap)

They didn't have that same advantage, that survivorship bias, and it was poor in comparison to the first episodes.

me_irl

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep, I can confirm; you're old. Sorry.

:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGSuWyBvVtI

GLaDOS

Ah here, the last thread on this topic is barely a week old

NiallBoo

Having grown up in the 90's I'd have to say that current pop music is waaay less annoying.

Some of it I'd even listen to by choice.

The current top 20 includes Taylor swift, Kendrick Lamar and Daft Punk, all of whom I expect to still be remembered with fondness in 20 years time - maybe a few more too.

bee06

I must be getting senile, I thought we had this thread last week

Conor Bourke

Am I getting Alzheimer's or was there not a thread in this very topic only a few weeks ago?

Omackeral

This poxy thread every other week!


Let me do the check list.

-There's plenty of decent music out there, you just need to know where to look.
-Hey OP listen to these bands ; Toxic Drainpipe, Wishing on a Window, The Snotrockets.
-Stock, Aiken and Waterman ruined music.
-If it's in the charts it's fcuking sh*te, no exceptions.
-I wanna ride Rory Gallagher and Phil Lynott.

gramar

bee06 wrote: »

I must be getting senile, I thought we had this thread last week

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

Am I getting Alzheimer's or was there not a thread in this very topic only a few weeks ago?

Seems I'm not the only one getting old around here!

kfallon

gramar wrote: »

Seems I'm not the only one getting old around here!

No you are, they are right and you've forgotten about the thread already!

You're going radio rental OP!!!!

brevity

Omackeral wrote: »

This poxy thread every other week!


Let me do the check list.

-There's plenty of decent music out there, you just need to know where to look.
-Hey OP listen to these bands ; Toxic Drainpipe, Wishing on a Window, The Snotrockets.
-Stock, Aiken and Waterman ruined music.
-If it's in the charts it's fcuking sh*te, no exceptions.
-I wanna ride Rory Gallagher and Phil Lynott.

Toxic Drainpipe sold out. Their new album sucks.

Omackeral

brevity wrote: »

Toxic Drainpipe sold out. Their new album sucks.

Agreed, I prefer their earlier stuff.

gramar

Omackeral wrote: »

This poxy thread every other week!


Let me do the check list.

-There's plenty of decent music out there, you just need to know where to look.
-Hey OP listen to these bands ; Toxic Drainpipe, Wishing on a Window, The Snotrockets.
-Stock, Aiken and Waterman ruined music.
-If it's in the charts it's fcuking sh*te, no exceptions.
-I wanna ride Rory Gallagher and Phil Lynott.

I have no idea whether Toxic Drainpipe, Wishing on a Window and the Snotrockets are real bands or if you just made up those names.

In other news...you should watch this to curb that anger...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZ35Ar3r2k

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

me_irl wrote: »

No way man, we're gonna keep on rockin' FOREVER!! FOREVER!! Forever! Forever. forever. forever

Arghus

Am I getting old or have threads about how music has gone to pot altogether gone to pot altogether?

Clarebelly

Surely if music was gone pot it would have got better.

Billy86

Jesus f***ing Christ, it's only been what, one week since the last one? :pac:

Mr. FoggPatches

Omackeral wrote: »

This poxy thread every other week!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE

me_irl

Billy86 wrote: »

Jesus f***ing Christ, it's only been what, one week since the last one? :pac:

Been how long?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg

Billy86

me_irl wrote: »

Been how long?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg

Feck this, I'm off to start a new thread asking if music isn't good anymore and what ever happened to the charts?

rtron

Music has been the same notes over and over again since the dawn of time

me_irl

rtron wrote: »

Music has been the same notes over and over again since the dawn of time

It's like the song that never ends. Yes, it goes on and on my friends. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was. But people kept singing it just because.

Irish_rat

Quite the opposite this could potentially be a great year in music.

The Flaming Lips, The XX, Arcade Fire, Spiritualized, Vampire Weekend, Ryan Adams, Sun Kil Moon, The Shins, Depeche Mode, Grizzly Bear, Haim, Kayne West, Modest Mouse, The National, The Killers, The Horrors etc..

me_irl

Irish_rat wrote: »

Quite the opposite this could potentially be a great year in music.

The Flaming Lips, The XX, Arcade Fire, Spiritualized, Vampire Weekend, Ryan Adams, Sun Kil Moon, The Shins, Depeche Mode, Grizzly Bear, Haim, Kayne West, Modest Mouse, The National, The Killers, The Horrors etc..

All absolute shíte...

















...to me.

GLaDOS

Once Steven Wilson is still alive, good music will continue to be made.

Kintarō Hattori

I'm going to be 40 later this year and find that music is getting better and better. I'm not in any way a snob/hipster or whatever but if you listen to what's in the charts, then yes you'll be disappointed and come to the conclusion that music is becoming rubbish.
The biggest eye opener for me, in terms of new artists, styles of music etc has been Spotify. There's just so much great music out there to be discovered using the various playlists, song radio, recommendations from friends etc.

By and far it's one of the best value things I pay for.

Omackeral

gramar wrote: »

I have no idea whether Toxic Drainpipe, Wishing on a Window and the Snotrockets are real bands or if you just made up those names.

A percentage* of those bands are made up.














It's 100%

gramar

Omackeral wrote: »

A percentage* of those bands are made up.


It's 100%

..and me like a fcuking eejit googling them...

Zirconia

me_irl wrote: »

All absolute shíte...


...to me.

Goya

They specifically referred to the charts so "You just need to look for good music" doesn't apply.

Yes, the charts are worse than ever - it's not because you're getting old. As you say, nobody is gonna remember the stuff in the charts now. There was always rubbish in the charts but the proportion of rubbish is particularly high today.

bodhrandude

OP problem solved, stop listening to sh1te radio stations, listen to Kelly-Ann Byrne and breathe a sigh of relief, she plays a lot of classics but there will be current brilliant stuff out there too. Tune into the Beat Goes On on Today FM on Saturday and Sunday night, there is still passionate music lovers out there.

Capt'n Midnight

No Creativity today .


Most movies today are reboots or remakes or sequels or film versions of very, very, successful literature.

Compare these
https://www.shortoftheweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Loss-of-Originality-STATS6.gif


IMHO late 70's to early 80's was the peak of music.
And bands from those days are still making the most money touring so it's not just my opinion.

Surreptitious

me_irl wrote: »

All absolute shíte...

















...to me.

Gimme a break :rolleyes:

Dr Crayfish

You're not that old if you're still worrying about f*cking pop music, who cares?! Live your life!

inforfun

Since some knob pushing some buttons is called a musician nowadays, it is really not a miracle that most modern music sucks bowling balls through a garden hose.

There is a reason they need pills to have a good time.

Wanderer78

inforfun wrote:

There is a reason they need pills to have a good time.

Always loved that Henry Rollins saying, 'which came first, the ****ty music or the ****ty drugs'

Oblivoid

brevity wrote: »

Toxic Drainpipe sold out. Their new album sucks.

No way, man. They've just evolved their sound, they can't stay the same forever. That would be boring. You just don't get it.

Billy86

inforfun wrote: »

Since some knob pushing some buttons is called a musician nowadays, it is really not a miracle that most modern music sucks bowling balls through a garden hose.

There is a reason they need pills to have a good time.

Just like Beethoven and Chopin, sitting at those gigantic noise machines pressing buttons to make music. Pianos me hoop!

razorblunt

GLaDOS wrote: »

Ah here, the last thread on this topic is barely a week old

and it was a better thread.

Badly Drunk Boy

Flimpson wrote: »

They specifically referred to the charts so "You just need to look for good music" doesn't apply.

Yes, the charts are worse than ever - it's not because you're getting old. As you say, nobody is gonna remember the stuff in the charts now. There was always rubbish in the charts but the proportion of rubbish is particularly high today.

Because of the nature of the charts, and the way people buy (or don't) music these days, it'll never be the same as years ago.

Top Of The Pops used to be huge, and people felt that what was in the charts was important. Nowadays, there's a lot more music to choose from, and people don't buy as much music like they used to, using sites like Spotify instead.

Basically, the people who pay for specific downloads are the people to blame for the state of the charts (although I'm not 100% sure how the charts are complied these days), and they'd be from a different demographic that the OP. So yeah, he's getting old :pac: but I'm possibly older and still enjoying modern music, just not from the charts.

Badly Drunk Boy

Billy86 wrote: »

Just like Beethoven and Chopin, sitting at those gigantic noise machines pressing buttons to make music. Pianos me hoop!

And don't get me started on the boyos blowing into bottles and the plucking on the strings and banging stuff with sticks!

eskerman

gramar wrote: »

There's a radio show on here that picks a random week from the last 40 years and runs down through the UK top 40. Listening the other day I came to the unavoidable conclusion that music really has gone to crap altogether in the last 15 years. The week in question was the beginning of January 1985...and below is a selection from the Top 20...

Do they know it's Christmas
Last Christmas - Wham!
We all stand together - McCartney
Like a virgin
Ghostbusters
The power of love
Shout - Tears for fears
Everything must change - Paul Young
The riddle - Nik Kershaw
One night in Bangkok
I should have known better - Jim Diamond

I just called to say - Stevie Wonder ......nº 23!

30 years on I can't imagine anyone listening back to the current charts and even remembering the songs let alone thinking they were any good.
To be honest I haven't heard of most of the current Top 20 but I just can't see names like Rag'n'bone man, Zara Larsson, Neiked or Chainsmokers FT Halsey lasting the tests of time.

I tend to agree with you on this point - that said I am a die hard modern Jazz fan - seldom listen to "popular" music / Ive stuck with the same music taste all my life.

Tsipras

Yeah I agree it's crap
I don't think a great new band has come on the scene since 1994!