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Sister-in-Law troubles. Over-reacting?

  • 31-12-2016 1:59pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30


    My brother has been married to my Sister in Law for twenty seven years, or thereabouts now.
    They have a lovely home, good jobs, security, seems to be an excellent marriage.

    I have only this one brother and no sisters, whereas, my sister in law has all her siblings living in close proximity, and they are very close in all other respects, helping out each other, socialising, etc.

    The problem is that our mother is getting a little old, and whilst I live almost 100 miles away from her, they are only a ten-minute drive away. Never once do I recall my sister in law calling in to see my mum, who lives alone, and only visits once a year for the Christmas visit. She is grossly negligent in my opinion, however, my brother does call in a few times each week. I have my mum to visit me very frequently.

    However, I do feel aggrieved that my sister in law will benefit financially from my mum's inevitable passing, and she does not deserve a cent. She has done 'nothing wrong', but refuses to acknowledge my mum and I. I feel very hurt for my mother, and I got quite upset last night, being on holidays, and perhaps having too much time to think, and it hit me like a lightening bolt.
    Am I over- reacting? We have our annual get- together next week, I feel like I need to say something to my sister in law, otherwise it is like a sick game at this stage. Please help!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I do think you're overreacting, yes. At the end of the day, it's up to your brother to pull his weight in caring for your mum, not his wife.

    Ultimately, it's really none of your business how much or little she engages with your mum and I think you would be seriously overstepping the mark by confronting her about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Chopinlist66


    Dial Hard, thanks for reply. It just hurts me to see my mother hurt, she is really feeling the pain. Both my parents in law are now deceased, but I could never have done that to them, but everyone is different.
    Families can be so difficult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    You are overreacting, she has her own family and while you might see things one way she has her own point of view which she's entitled to.
    Her husband is the only person who can discuss this with her and if he doesn't have an issue with it then it's none of your business to put it bluntly.

    Why is your mother upset? It's a bit invasive that she expects her to visit when she clearly doesn't want to. Her son is looking after her and visiting, surely she would be happy with that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭bee06


    Is this your only issue with her ... that she won't go visit your mom? She married your brother, not your whole family. Some people get on with there in-laws which is great but some people don't and it's not some kind of requirement. It's not her responsibility to look after your mother. Calling her grossly negligent it totally over the top!

    Whether she will financially benefit from any inheritance your brother gets is also none of your business. Your brother inherits the money and what he does with it is up to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Dial Hard, thanks for reply. It just hurts me to see my mother hurt, she is really feeling the pain. Both my parents in law are now deceased, but I could never have done that to them, but everyone is different. Families can be so difficult.

    I can understand that it hurts you to see her hurt. Your mother is also of a generation where women were expected to take on all of the caring work in a family and she may be very puzzled as to why your brother's wife isn't taking on this role.

    I think all you can really do is perhaps ask your brother to be a bit more hands-on with your mum but be aware that this may well go down like a lead balloon if he feels he's already doing more than you due to the distance.

    And yes, families are extremely difficult!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Chopinlist66


    Thanks for all the replies.
    I think I will just have to ride this one out, and yes DH, my mum cared for her parents and my Father before he died, as was the expectations of people of her generation. Re the distance, I have my mum stop over for extended stays, and I look after her every need. She is never invited over to dinner, tea etc to my Sis in law. Mum is a good person, always gives the Grandchildren fine gifts for birthdays, 21st, Christmas, as she loves them dearly. Such a pity my sis in law cannot be more human, and acknowledge this.I would not treat a dog like that.
    Yes, bee06, I see that she married my brother, and not me or mum. I might talk with my bro, but it seems Sis in law is calling all the shots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Thanks for all the replies.
    I think I will just have to ride this one out, and yes DH, my mum cared for her parents and my Father before he died, as was the expectations of people of her generation. Re the distance, I have my mum stop over for extended stays, and I look after her every need. She is never invited over to dinner, tea etc to my Sis in law. Mum is a good person, always gives the Grandchildren fine gifts for birthdays, 21st, Christmas, as she loves them dearly. Such a pity my sis in law cannot be more human, and acknowledge this.I would not treat a dog like that.
    Yes, bee06, I see that she married my brother, and not me or mum. I might talk with my bro, but it seems Sis in law is calling all the shots.

    All of this is your brothers problem.

    Stop fixating on his wife.


    Why doesn't your brother ask her around.... Riddle me that


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I live near my parents. My siblings have all moved away to various places. This means I'm the one now responsible for any future needs of our mother and father. I do not resent my siblings for this. I wasn't thinking of my parents when I stayed nor were they when they left. Life just took us in different directions.

    However by default I would now consider myself stuck with this responsibility. Yes they visit my siblings regularly and my siblings come home regulay to spend time with them but I'm the one nearby 24/7 and as they age I'll be the one taking on more and more of a caring role.

    I didn't ask for that and the rest didn't expect it of me. It's just circumstance. But if any of them were to turn around and complain from the other side of Ireland or the other side of the world that my partner wasn't doing enough, I can tell you there would be holy war.

    Fortunately that would never happen because they aren't that clueless. I also wouldn't be asking your brother to do more if he already calls in several times each week. He has to live his own life too.

    If you are concerned that your mother needs additional care have you considered organising some home care to drop in a couple times a week?

    Like it or not your sister in law has little to no responsibility for your mother and pressuring your brother to get onto her would be very unfair in my opinion. Sure it would be lovely if she wanted to spend time with her but do you really want her there if she'd rather be anywhere but?

    Having spent years as a carer for an elderly family member I can tell you that its a difficult burden to bear. As the one near by your brother is essentially 'on call' for anything that may happen your mam day or night. It's a hard position to be in. Somewhere in the back of your mind it weighs on you.

    A friend or family member then, with the best of intentions, telling you how to do things, from their comfy life, however many miles away, is actually really hurtful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    She has done 'nothing wrong', but refuses to acknowledge my mum and I.

    What does this mean OP? Refuses to acknowledge you? It sounds like behind this complaining is actually a bigger issue that you personally have with your sister-in-law and you're wrapping it up in a more convenient and sympathy inducing issue with your elderly mother...

    While you obviously love your mother dearly and see a wonderful woman being snubbed, that is not necessarily what your sister-in-law has experienced or feels - and that's her prerogative. As long as she's not actively discouraging your brother to have a relationship with his mother - and if he's going to see her several times a week then she clearly isn't - then I don't see you have anything to complain about. While the ideal for you may be your mother spending a lot of time with your brother's family, it may be anything but their ideal...and that's their call to make.

    Some people (myself included) were raised to look out/after their own family while their partner looks out for theirs...at no stage would I expect a partner to take on any kind of caring role for my family members. I think you need to accept that for as long as she's in good health, your mothers general entertainment is her own responsibility - and if her health falters then arrangements should be made between your brother and yourself. I actually find it quite odd that you've bypassed your brother and made an issue with an unrelated third party not expending sufficient energy on your mother...hence the question re if there was more to this between you and she?

    All the best OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Chopinlist66


    Gritbiscuit, SIL has never really wanted to know that my brother had a sister (me), but she expects my brother to take care of her extended family needs, her sisters, parents, nieces and nephews. It is huge family that can help out each other, and my bro plays more than his part. Surely it should be both ways, in that she could be doing a little more for mum, as my brother does for her family. I reckon she wears the trousers, and I could shake my bro for not standing up to her. This is what I mean. In fact, you may have hit the nail on the head, as she could be actively discouraging bro to see my mum. To be honest, he only calls in to visit mum at lunchtime, where she has his lunch ready, he eats, then goes back to work. He never appears in the evenings or weekends. Maybe he feels that is enough.
    There has never been anything negative between SIL and me. Just a nothingness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Gritbiscuit, SIL has never really wanted to know that my brother had a sister (me), but she expects my brother to take care of her extended family needs, her sisters, parents, nieces and nephews. It is huge family that can help out each other, and my bro plays more than his part. Surely it should be both ways, in that she could be doing a little more for mum, as my brother does for her family. I reckon she wears the trousers, and I could shake my bro for not standing up to her. This is what I mean. In fact, you may have hit the nail on the head, as she could be actively discouraging bro to see my mum. To be honest, he only calls in to visit mum at lunchtime, where she has his lunch ready, he eats, then goes back to work. He never appears in the evenings or weekends. Maybe he feels that is enough.
    There has never been anything negative between SIL and me. Just a nothingness.

    Well this sounds more like your issue is that she isn't interested in you and you're turning it into being about your mother.
    Your brother has made the choice to be involved with her family as you made the choice to move away from your own and be involved with your in-laws.

    She doesn't want to spend time with you op, that's OK and it's not going go change but as has been said already if you start dictating from 100 miles away you are going to cause a row.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Yellow pack crisps


    I'm not surprised she wants nothing to do with you or your family!! You are butting into their marriage! After being married for so long I'm sure your brother knows how his wife is and how their marriage works.

    You seem to be a treating both of them in a really passive manner. Your mothers will and where your inheritance will go to is quite frankly none of your business. If you look after your mother then do it for the right reasons and not because you think it gives you the right to put yourself on a pedestal. Your sister in law owes your side of the family nothing and you probably have no idea why she does have so little to do with them but from a strangers insight I can hazard a guess why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    I hear you OP and I don't blame you for feeling disappointed, I would be too in your shoes but at the end of the day your brother and his wife have the absolute right to decide what the distribution of their collective/individual time and energy is going to be, regardless of how unfair that may be to you and yours. Your brother's marriage dynamic may annoy you but as long as your brother doesn't object then again, that's his choice to make.

    Given you are not equidistant from your mother I would worry that taking umbrage on your mother's behalf - particularly against someone who really has no obligation to do anything - might backfire...in my experience and looking at the families we know, the women tend to be better and more enthusiastic at regular contact with their own families but if your sister-in-law is going out of her way to make things difficult for your brother to include his mother than I wouldn't want to rock that boat for either of them.

    If it's company your mother needs or a greater degree of care, is that something you can arrange without puting further demands on your brother and his wife? As your mother ages, she will inevitably need to rely more heavily on local help and if that's going to cause issues or further worry/hurt for you or her then perhaps looking into alternatives now and discussing that with your brother is as good a way to resolve this as you're going to get.

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 NelRom


    Do they have children OP? If so, then children tend to be the first priority of a married couple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    You are not in a position to say anything to your SIL. You live 100km away. Are you sure this is not just that you are feeling guilty?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Will the will be divided evenly between yourself and your brother, Or is there a farm involved?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭DoozerT6


    In a way, I can see your point - from what I gather here, your brother just calls in for his lunch occasionally (which your mother prepares) and then - that's it? I know it's still 'touching base' with her so to speak, but very much for his own benefit too.

    I wouldn't confront your SIL about it however. If you're going to mention it to anybody, it should be to your BROTHER. She is his mother, not hers. I do think it's a bit unfair however, that she has apparently never even been to their house for dinner? That just seems rude if nothing else. Common sense would dictate that over the years, one of them might have thought to invite her over for Sunday lunch or something, unless there is more to this whole thing than you have mentioned? Is there friction or an underlying disagreement between your SIL and your mother? Maybe have an honest chat with your mother first, to see if this is the case. If not, then have a carefully worded conversation with your brother saying that your mum would love to see more of her grandchildren, and maybe he might invite her over even once a month for dinner or something....I know different families have different ideas and dynamics about visiting each other, but if your mother is upset by this, it might be no harm to have a word on her behalf. In fact it might be easier coming from you, than your brother hearing from his own mother's mouth that she's upset about it; that way he gets to 'save face' by taking the initiative in inviting her over.

    Regarding your issues with your SIL, unless you can resolve it with a polite conversation, or even inviting her to go to a concert/show or somewhere with you ('I feel like we haven't had a good chat in ages') I think you might have to just accept it as just her being the way she is. It doesn't seem to affect you directly; you're upset on your mothers behalf. With the inheritance - I think you will just have to make your peace with that. In fact, I think if you can gently persuade your brother to spend a little more quality time with your mother, I would consider that a win, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Chopinlist66


    Doozer, maybe there is something more going on that I don't know about. All I can recall, is that I was away at college when Bro and SIL were dating. A lot could have happened in my absence during those years. I will try to have a discreet chat with mum find out more. My SIL and I really have nothing in common at all. We have never gone to show/concert/cinema together, the idea seems absurd somehow. Have never felt comfortable in her company, whereas we have great craic with my hub's family. This could simply be it. Maybe we just don't gel. Will talk to bro separately as well.
    Thanks for all replies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    Your attitude seems to be that your SIL should be taking care of her husbands family just because she's the woman that lives closest. If you mother had the same attitude early in their relationship and said something / was critical of how your brother and SIL managed their relationship, your SIL could have pulled back because of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Perhaps you should move closer if you feel your mother is being neglected?

    After all she's your mother, I'm sure you will "benefit financially" from her death which seems to be one of your concerns so instead of expecting someone who has her own family to shoulder the load maybe do it yourself op??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,193 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Either move your mother in with you or move closer to her.

    It seems like you feel guilt and are deflecting that onto others. You sister in law has absolutely no obligation to your mother. Like others have said that's on you and your brother.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,907 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    How much does your husband do for your mother? Outside of the relationship you have with her, what does your husband do extra to that? Surely he's going to financially benefit from your mother's passing, so he should be doing his bit to 'earn' it?

    I just don't understand why you have such an issue with your sister-in-law, when it seems your brother does nothing either. You do seem to have the traditional ideal that the woman of the house takes care of all the family. Your mam looked after her parents, and your dad. Your sister in law looks after her family. Just because she has a bigger family and your family is just you and your brother doesn't mean she should step into the role of carer in your family, because her family can spare her, and your family need her to make up for the lack of numbers!!

    Your mother is the responsibility of you and your brother any help outside of that should be appreciated, but not expected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    I think you are over reacting. It seems that you may have always been hurt and disappointed that SIL takes no interest in your side of the family but as you and your mother have gotten older the need for a strong safety net of loving supportive family get stronger.

    You would have a stronger more loving family if she was intersted in being a part of it... But shes not so the disappointment has become worry stress and resentment. I can understand why you might feel this way but dont think its really fair on SIL. In my family if you married in you were in. Growing up i didnt even know which of my auntsbor uncles were biologcal til i was like 10! Ive carried that value with me but could never expect to hold someone else to it as its my value from my upbringing not theirs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 somewherenear


    I think you are completely over reacting. Your mother is not her responsibility she has her own family. Maybe you could stop thinking so negative about her and focus on your brother and how to change the situation. This negativity towards your sister in law is helping nobody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭Cork Lass



    However, I do feel aggrieved that my sister in law will benefit financially from my mum's inevitable passing, and she does not deserve a cent.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd imagine it's your brother that will actually "benefit" from your mothers inevitable passing. He will most likely share this with his wife and family as she would most likely do if she were to inherit from her parents - that's marriage. I think there's a lot more to your dislike of your sil than what you are saying here and for what it's worth she is not responsible for you mom. I wouldn't say you're overreacting - I'd say you're being downright mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭beechwood55


    I think you are being just plain nasty. And money grabbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    OP, has your mother actually said she would like more visits? Surely if she does she can communicate this to her son all by herself. You seem to be under the impression that all families interact in a certain way- they don't. Your brother clearly has his own set up with his wife's family that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I also only have brothers. One of my sisters in law I see once a year and one I get on with quite well but we are not friends, we don't need to be! I sure as hell wouldn't expect her to look after MY parent/s in any way. I agree with other posters in that you may be feeling guilty at not being able to spend as much time with your mam as you would like but it is certainly not the responsibilty of your sister in law to do your percieved role here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    No one has an obligation to visit your mother, not even her own children. That you do is entirely your choice. Your mother is not a child and if she would like to see more of them it's her place to say it, not yours. Whatever else you do don't say anything at the dinner, it will just make you look silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Doozer, maybe there is something more going on that I don't know about. All I can recall, is that I was away at college when Bro and SIL were dating. A lot could have happened in my absence during those years. I will try to have a discreet chat with mum find out more. My SIL and I really have nothing in common at all. We have never gone to show/concert/cinema together, the idea seems absurd somehow. Have never felt comfortable in her company, whereas we have great craic with my hub's family. This could simply be it. Maybe we just don't gel. Will talk to bro separately as well.
    Thanks for all replies.

    Talk about what exactly?
    Crikey that's one way to stir a pot.

    Heard of this scenario playing out quite a few times now.. (king Lear anyone! )
    Single parent gets on.
    Who's going to be the most suitable child to look after mammy/daddies needs?
    Parent loves the attention and let's slip that they've no will made OR they do have a will made...
    Let the battle begin.

    Not saying that that's what's going to happen and I don't know yer mam from Adam.
    But once mention of inheritance is involved then the waters get muddied.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭beechwood55


    I have 4 sisters in law. I have never once gone to a show, concert or cinema with any of them. Shoot me now.
    And hopefully your brother will be loyal to his wife and tell you to jog on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Is your Mam awkward around your sister in law too? Or is she stubborn, or simply not fun?

    I know of a few examples where one of the parents in law are fun, helpful, chatty, obliging and a pleasure to be around. And others who aren't, or for some difference of opinion (such as re smoking, pets or drinking) just can't get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I feel that you are over reacting in regards to your sister in law.
    It is not her job to be going to visit your mother or dealing with any problems as your mother gets older.
    The reality is that you live 100km away from your mother so your not in a position to help out/visit her as much as if you were living near bye. Also you mentioned that your sil will get benefit when your mother dies - is this were the problem lies?
    The reality it is your mother decision to who she leaves a house/cash ect to and if someone in family is living close by or helping her out a lot why should they not benefit.

    Being honest if you were told to go visit your mother in law, help her out ect by one of your relatives you might not be to happy with this. If you say anything to your sil you could start a family fight or have long term bad feeling their. You may not realise this but long term you may need your brothers help in some way and annoying his wife won't help your cause.

    My advice is talk to your brother and see what things you can put in place if you mother needs more help. If her health declines contact her doctor and they can put you in contact with the relivent services.
    I don't know if your brother and sil have a family but if they do their children come first. They could be dealing with issues you have no idea about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    Is causing a family row one of your new year's resolutions? Because from what I'm reading here, that's all it is going to cause. Just about everybody here is telling you the same thing in different ways but you're not listening. I hope for your sake that this head of steam you've worked up will have dissipated before you open your mouth. Mark my words - nothing good can come of your meddling. You'll possibly be putting ideas into your mother's head that weren't there before. You'll lead to a conversation being had between your brother and your wife which may not be to anyone's benefit. And finally, you'll be stirring up trouble between yourself and your sister in law. Who knows what way your brother will fall in this sorry mess? And all for what? Nobody's going to come out of this any happier.

    For all you know, your mother's perfectly happy not to see hide nor hair of her daughter in law from one end of the year to the next. She doesn't sound like the warmest of people so perhaps your mum is more than happy with how things stand. Your brother still calls in a few times a week so it's not as if your mum's being neglected. As an aside, if you do decide to go ploughing into this with your size 10s, don't even think about uttering the phrase "gross negligence".

    Nobody can predict what lies in the future. The one thing you will need though is a good relationship with your brother. You live 100 miles away so you're depending on him for the day to day matters relating to your mother. Don't fall out with him, especially because you got this "notion" into your head about his wife. People aren't telling you to keep your mouth shut and to butt out just for the craic. Stop feeding that resentment you've built up over your sister in law and start listening to common sense. You'll be glad of it if you do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭deisemum


    I think your SIL is very wise to keep her distance from your family because your dislike of her is so obvious and she's more than likely seen it when she first met you years ago. It's not your SIL's responsibility to call to your mother, she has her own family and a large family at that.

    Your post is nasty towards your SIL and it looks like you're more interested in discrediting your brother and SIL to justify your belief that they shouldn't benefit from your mother's will. It's none of your business and you've been given good advice here which you're choosing to ignore. If you say anything it's not going to go well and your mother may very well end up in a worse position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Your mother is not your sister in law's mother. She's not her responsibility. And though it might be nice if she dropped up more frequently she's under no onus to. And you definitely have no right to dictate to her. It's up to you and your brother to mind your mother, it's not on anyone else. Your world view seems a bit skewed here. If you're that worried about your mother have her come live with you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭DoozerT6


    With respect to the regular contributers here, I feel that a few of you are being a bit hard on the OP. If you look past the emotive language and the obvious ill-feeling towards her SIL, (which hopefully the OP now realises, that while not ideal, is not the real issue), at the crux of the matter is the fact that her brother lives a mere ten minutes away from his mother, and apparently never spends any more time with her than it takes to eat a lunch which his elderly mother has prepared for him. He never invites her to his home nearby, which the OP says upsets her mother. If indeed the SIL is calling the shots in terms of time spent there, then it is up to her brother to mention it to his wife, not the OP.

    Personally I do think it is unfortunate that the SIL doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with her MIL, (while not compulsory, it just seems to be the decent thing to do to engage with her in some way) but I appreciate that we don't know the real issues or the personalities involved. I can also appreciate OP's frustration, especially when she invites her mother to stay and keeps in regular contact with her, that her brother does no more than drop in for lunch sometimes. Yes, he does see her, but briefly and at his own benefit (free lunch :D !!) It would also appear that she sees very little of her grandchildren, despite them living so close.

    It would be easy to say "just tell your mam to talk to her son and sort it out herself!" but I guess things are not that easy at that age, and maybe she doesn't want to rock the boat herself. Have a chat with her; gauge her REAL feelings on her DIL, not visiting their home, etc and maybe have a calm, friendly chat with your brother about it and try to sort out something that will make your mam happy without making anybody else UNhappy. At some stage, you may have to have a conversation with him anyway about long-term care for your mam; if the door on that conversation was already open, it might make it easier.

    As I said in my previous post, I would not mention the inheritance AT ALL: chances are it will just be divided 50/50 between ye. Let that one go.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,907 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    It seems like you're just looking for a reason to have a go at your sister-in-law. There's obviously 30 years of resentment building up now because she was never pally with you, and you're looking for a reason to let her know what you think of her. That's fine, if you really feel you should. But from what you posted here, I'd leave your mother out of it.

    From your posts it seems your mother is quite independent, she lives alone, without any specific care being necessary, and she is capable of making your brother's lunch every day. You have her to visit for a few days a few times a year, but other than that she is left to her own devices and is managing quite well. Your sister in law has zero obligation to your mother. Your mother, from what you've posted, is an capable, able bodied, independent woman. She doesn't need to be minded. It's unclear whether or not your mother is upset by the lack of a relationship with her daughter-in-law, or whether you're upset on her behalf (because of your own dislike of your brother's wife), and maybe trying to nudge your mother in the direction of feeling hard done by, by her daughter-in-law?

    I wouldn't be "having a quiet word with" anyone. You don't get to call the shots from a hundred miles away. Your brother sees more of your mother than you do. And if ever an emergency arises in the future, he'll be the one to attend first. If you feel your mother is becoming helpless and in need of round the clock care, it might be time for you to suggest she moves to live with you. Your sister-in-law has her own family and shouldn't be expected to take on the care of your mother, just because she lives closer. If you feel it's the job of the woman to look after the family, then as the only daughter in the family that responsibility falls to you. Not to your brother's wife.

    People are all different, and some people will tie themselves in knots to help others. Some will look after themselves and those nearest to them and not put any effort into others. That's how people are, and you challenging that isn't going to change it. I think if you try have a quiet word with anyone, you will come out the worst. You will be told you live 100 miles away, do your duty a few times a year and then pat yourself on the back for being the best daughter. Whereas your brother is there everyday, keeping an eye, on hand in case of an emergency, yet you think, from a hundred miles away, that him and his wife should still do more

    You will cause friction and trouble all "on behalf of your mother". If your mother has a problem with making her son's lunch every day, let her say it to him. (I've yet to meet an Irish mammy, who has established a routine of making food for anyone on a daily basis, give out about it.. Let alone for her son!!)

    Your mother isn't helpless. And who's to know what the future holds? For now, stop looking for trouble and trying to stir it up where there is none. Keep your opinions about your sister-in-law to yourself. They're your opinions, and nobody else really cares if you don't like her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    You complain your sil won't drive 10 mins to see your mum. But you have your elderly mum travel 100 miles to see you.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,907 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I'd also wonder how much of this is your mother's making too? I know we only have your version of events, and maybe it is skewed towards you and your mother being the victim of your sister-in-law, but I know I have never invited my parents to my house for dinner, or tea. I've never invited my parents to my house at all. Except maybe for a child's party. They call round themselves, very occasionally, and I call round to them more often. But I wouldn't see them every day. I wouldn't even see them every week. I'm busy with my life. They are busy with their's and nobody is keeping tabs on who saw who last and who needs to visit next. My husband would visit my parents once a year at Christmas. They might not see him for months at a time. I don't think they're too bothered!!

    It's organic rather than organised. If your mother is waiting for an invitation maybe she'll be left waiting. It would never cross my mind to invite my mother to my house. Your mother lives 10 minutes away from them. Does she call to see them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    With respect to the regular contributors here, I feel that a few of you are being a bit hard on the OP.

    I can only speak for myself here. I was hard on the OP because I get the distinct impression she is not for turning on this issue. I hope she takes some of the advice on board and cools her jets before she says or does anything. I also think that dressing the issue up in fluffy niceness will only encourage her.

    As it happens, I have some sympathy for her. It isn't easy to live so far away from a parent when you're worried about their day to day care. Especially when you feel that the people living nearest to her could be doing more to help. Unfortunately families don't work like that. I've seen so many times how different family members react to situations like these. Some will do everything they humanly can to help their loved ones. Others will scatter like ants.

    If I was the OP's sister in law and found out what what she was up to, I'd be enraged at her interfering ways. I'd have no problem telling her to feck off and then you'd have real sister in law troubles.

    The OP also hasn't enlightened us particularly on her mother's relationship with the daughter in law. We don't know if the mother is happy with how things stand or if she'd like to see her more. We don't know what if anything she has said and done over the years. There's a lot of missing detail here. But enough to know that this not something to go meddling in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭amtc


    It's a tricky one. In my own situation my grandmother needs high dependency care. Of five siblings who live near her the females...both daughters and in laws do care but if the sons are there they seem to treat it as a place to drink beer and watch sport. Despite many family meetings it's remained the same.

    However in this situation it's important to ascertain what the mother wants. She may be quite happy.

    I live on my own and meet my parents separately for various reasons. Very rarely come to me nor me them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    So you moved 100 miles away to be closer to your in laws but you are critical of your brother for spending a lot of time with his in laws???

    Your SIL is under no obligation to look after your mum - that's for your brother and yourself to sort. Have you discussed with him what will happen if she can no longer live on her own? He's already going to see her several times a week according to you so do you expect his wife to go with him or go separately? Does she need help from them or just wants the bit of company? I'm just not sure what your after OP - just being annoyed that someone has no interest in their in laws isn't enough. If your mum is at a stage were she needs more help then she is currently getting then you need to discuss your options with your brother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭rondog


    I disagree with a lot of the posts here.So,the Bro has to look after his wives family even thought there is a large family and lots of support but the SIL doesn't do a tap for the Mother.I would be VERY p1ssed off with this.Afterall,the Mother in law has the Bro and that's all,it would be nice for her to get a visit from the SIL too to show that in her later years theres more than just her Son that cares.
    The SIL sounds like its all about her and her family ,meanwhile the mother gets left in the lurch.
    The SIL sounds like a very selfish and self centred person to me.I would have a work with your Bro and ask him why the SIL deems that he should jump thru hoops for her large family while she doesn't do a single thing for her Mother in law who is basically alone.


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  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Mod:

    We'll close this - OP, if you want it re-opened just let one of the mod team know.


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