WrestleMania 33 *Spoilers/Speculation/Rumours*(No Betting Discussion; Mod Note in OP)

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PTH2009 wrote: »

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/another-rumored-opponent-for-the-undertaker-at-wrestlemania-33

Reigns vs taker no thanks

Could work if reigns becomes a mega heel

Although they faced off before Cena vs taker is a dream match and made for a Wrestlemania

As previously reported, John Cena is rumored to be the opponent for The Undertaker at WrestleMania 33. However, those plans have reportedly not been sealed by Vince McMahon. According to Ringside News, WWE is now also considering having Roman Reigns take on the Deadman at WrestleMania.
The idea behind this is that John Cena is considered a part timer now, and that Roman Reigns facing The Undertaker would have more meaning and impact to his career than Cena. Also, should John Cena and Roman Reigns leave the Royal Rumble PPV as the WWE Champion and Universal Champion respectively, Undertaker would presumably challenge one of them for their title.

Is Taker not on the SD roster

I might be alone on this but since his streak is broken, I am not keen on Taker's Mania matches, maybe if he is facing Cena or even Finn who could carry him in a decent match I might have interest

I think KO Vs. Y2J for Raw World Title or no title a possibility, I would like Jericho to win the RR and get one more world title reign

HHH Vs. Rollins also likely



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LeeJM

I saw a post on Twitter yesterday saying there has been changes on the writing teams and that is why we got Cena challenging AJ at the Rumble and not Undertaker like was planned. I cant remember who posted it or the source and a scan on google didnt bring anything up but its possible that some plans for Mania have been changed.

ShagNastii

I'd say there could be legs to the Cena/Taker rumours. TBH if Undertaker doesn't just show up and there's a good decent built, it could be something very special.

HHH/Rollins is another I could get behind. Good long term story arc to work off of. The fans a just dying to get behind face Rollins 100%. Trips will bump like a boss for him.

PTH2009

I wonder will it be triple h vs Kevin Owens at mania 34 as he seems to love facing guys he developed

beakerjoe

ShagNastii wrote: »

I'd say there could be legs to the Cena/Taker rumours. TBH if Undertaker doesn't just show up and there's a good decent built, it could be something very special.

HHH/Rollins is another I could get behind. Good long term story arc to work off of. The fans a just dying to get behind face Rollins 100%. Trips will bump like a boss for him.

I dont think this is entirely accurate at this time. I couldnt care less about Rollins at the minute, hes been booked woefully as a face since his return and not to mention how badly his character was written before hand when he was a heel main eventer.

He, like most on Raw the past few years, has been given f all to work with. As a heel he was booked as a sub par comedy cowardly heel and now hes been booked as a bland, poorly written babyface. Ive no clue why Ive to root for him. Reigns suffered the same fate as a face last year (and again this year) and the only thing keeping Seth afloat is that we know he and his character are capable of better.

But right now, hes not over to me.

Bounty Hunter

I've a feeling this will be one hell of an epicly long show...

Speculated card as of Dec 31st

Universal title match
Kevin Owens vs Finn Balor vs Y2J

Dream Match
John Cena vs The Undertaker

WWE World title match
AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe

Grudge Match
HHH vs Seth Rollins

Goldberg vs Lesnar

US title match
Braun Strowman vs Roman Reigns

Womens world championship match
Charlotte vs Bayley

Celeb match
The Big Show vs Shaq

SD tag team title match
American Alpha - Jason Jordan & Chad Gable w/Shelton Benjamin vs The Wyatts - Bray Wyatt & Randy Orton w/Luke Harper

Cruiserweight title 6 man ladder match
TJP vs Rich Swann vs Cedric Alexander vs Brian Kendrick vs Neville vs Noam Dar

Pre-Show
IC title blowoff match - Dean Ambrose vs The Miz
Andre The Giant Battle Royal inc: Rusev, Corbin, Kane, Ziggler, Sami Zayn, Apollo Crews, an NXT wrestler, etc Winner: Sami Zayn / Rusev

Raw tag titles match: Cesaro & Sheamus vs Gallows & Anderson vs The New Day vs Enzo & Cass
SD Womens title match: Nikki Bella vs Becky Lynch

PTH2009

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I've a feeling this will be one hell of an epicly long show...

Speculated card as of Dec 31st

Id take that card

Agent Coulson

Rusev deserves better than a pre show that Battle Royal hopefully he can get a singles match on the main show.

IncognitoMan

Also I'd want the IC title match to be on the main show. Miz has had a very nice run and really helped elevate the belt back to some of its former glory after years of terrible booking of its holders.

Agent Coulson

Also parachuting Joe into a co-main event title match against AJ at WM would be something else.

Lord TSC

No way the Bray/Orton team up lasts till Mania. A singles match between the two is way more likely imo.

sky88

Not a chance Joe will be in the title match. I don't think he'll be in a singles match at mania.

Found him to be like jericho this year great character and promos but match quality hasn't been there except againist finn in Dallas. His matches with Nakamura have completely underwhelmed

ShagNastii

beakerjoe wrote: »

I dont think this is entirely accurate at this time. I couldnt care less about Rollins at the minute, hes been booked woefully as a face since his return and not to mention how badly his character was written before hand when he was a heel main eventer.

He, like most on Raw the past few years, has been given f all to work with. As a heel he was booked as a sub par comedy cowardly heel and now hes been booked as a bland, poorly written babyface. Ive no clue why Ive to root for him. Reigns suffered the same fate as a face last year (and again this year) and the only thing keeping Seth afloat is that we know he and his character are capable of better.

But right now, hes not over to me.

Very well put. What I probably was trying to say is that everyone can see the potential in Face Rollins especially when you compare him to Reigns who we've had rammed upon us for so long.

Be gutted if Ambrose and Miz was anywhere near the pre-show. Both are fair more deserving. If this match goes ahead they have to make a big deal of it.

sky88

I still have half a thought that it's going to be cena vs aj vs taker at mania to make up for takers age

DM_7

Mania should have cross brand matches.

For example Finn v Styles or Cena v Reigns.

Don't think they should make room for a Taker singles match this year. With Brock v Goldberg, Rollins v Triple H already featuring part timers, the need to have a prominent Women's title match, the Universal and World Title matches I don't see the room (or point) in a Taker singles bout this year.

Neil3030

sky88 wrote: »

Not a chance Joe will be in the title match. I don't think he'll be in a singles match at mania.

Found him to be like jericho this year great character and promos but match quality hasn't been there except againist finn in Dallas. His matches with Nakamura have completely underwhelmed

How much of that is on Nakamura though? The strong-style thing is waring a bit thin for me.

PTH2009

Neil3030 wrote: »

How much of that is on Nakamura though? The strong-style thing is waring a bit thin for me.

As Nakamura has very little English it may be a problem for him when he makes the main roster for promos etc

Same of Asuka

Neil3030

PTH2009 wrote: »

As Nakamura has very little English it may be a problem for him when he makes the main roster for promos etc

Same of Asuka

Well that's a another issue, yeah.

But the comment was about Joe's matches, and I think Nakamura has to share some of the blame for theirs being a bit meh, because I've now seen Nakamura go through several feuds with very similar matches, drawing heavily on a limited move set and a nearly identical finish each time.

sky88

Neil3030 wrote: »

How much of that is on Nakamura though? The strong-style thing is waring a bit thin for me.

Both are too blame for sure and think his charisma is saving him.

J. Marston

So, who will Rousey be fighting?

Rock Lesnar

J. Marston wrote: »

So, who will Rousey be fighting?

Well she must lose to Cena 1st, like Brock did, then i'd say she'll take on Steph at Mania

Bounty Hunter

Just to clarify that card wasn't neccesarily the rumored card but more so my amalgamation of the most reported matches for mania. I too would like to see Rusev get a better spot but with him currently in a program with Enzo, Cass & Jinder Mahal, no rumors for mania and so many other big matches on the card it unfortunately made sense for him to be placed where he was.

It may seem a too high profile spot for Samoa Joe this early too but Taker vs Cena is by far the most reported match for both men, it could include AJ in a triple threat but despite that no doubt being a better match it isn't as marketable a dream match to casuals and has barely been suggested really in comparison to Cena vs Taker. That leaves AJ without a WM program while already on the road to mania and having bested everyone near his level repeatedly on SD recently. That combined with Joe's imminent arrival the main roster, which has actually been heavily rumored for the rumble would make him a likely opponent and tbh one of the only ones i've seen muted online if it is Taker vs Cena in the other big SD match.

After that you have the locks they have been building to (or delaying storyline for) like Lesnar vs Goldberg and HHH vs Rollins. You also have BIg SHow vs Shaq essentially confirmed although im not sure if it's been mentioned on the show yet.

thats 5 big singles matches already which may play into why the Raw title match could be a triple threat. Balor and Owens have history, Jericho was going to feud with Balor originally and Owens and Jericho deserve a big blowoff match.

It (so many big singles matches already) could also be why Orton vs Wyatt seems less confirmed at the moment going by reports and even though they dropped the titles the company could instead continue the descension between Orton and Harper which could come to a head at the Rumble, they could then have a match at the pre mania PPV but Orton to stay associated with Wyatt and have they big moment where Randy turns on Bray (Or vice versa) while elevating the SD tag title match cos otherwise those titles will def be on the pre-show. This prediction may have been to balance the card a bit and to trim down the amount of matches too though as the singles match is probably reported as more likely.

Again all those big singles matches on the main card was probably why I put the IC match on the pre-show (which will probably be 2 hours) but I don't disagree that feuds blowoff would deserve main card attention. I think this year the spot for the IC title in a ladder match of the last few years will go to the Cruiserweights however.

PTH2009

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/two-huge-names-advertised-upcoming-raw

if taker is going to raw it could possibily to announce he is entering the Royal Rumble match and the Raw roster will RIP (he will appear on a SD episode and say the same thing to them) or the writers could of changed there mind and he is going to face a Raw star at Mania eg Reigns, Rusev, Strowman etc

I have a feeling Styles will keep the title til mania and defend it against Randy Orton (who will have ended the Wyatt thing at Elimination Chamber)

So a title less Cena could face Roman Reigns at Mania, which could start after some war of words type crap

Neil3030

sky88 wrote: »

Both are too blame for sure and think his charisma is saving him.

Agreed - his theme tune, too.

ShagNastii

Will they bother with Ronda now that her stock has fallen considerably after last night? Plus celebwise I think Shaq alone will be suffice to fill that spot.

Is it a given that Ronda will end if in the WWE for more than just a once off? It'd be interesting to see how they book her if so. She'd have to be a complete Brock Lesnar-like destroyer.

beakerjoe

ShagNastii wrote: »

Very well put. What I probably was trying to say is that everyone can see the potential in Face Rollins especially when you compare him to Reigns who we've had rammed upon us for so long.

Be gutted if Ambrose and Miz was anywhere near the pre-show. Both are fair more deserving. If this match goes ahead they have to make a big deal of it.

I get ya Shag. I think WWE have a problem creating new top faces. The over scripted, comedy face schtick didnt fly with Cena, Reigns or Rollins. It kills them. Get them over first and then try that ala The Rock or Austin

Agent Coulson

The talent have also done themselves no favors either trying be tweeners when they are meant to be full on heels so when they do switch to being a Face the crowd reaction is just the same.


It's not always creative or Vince's fault.


The Miz & Resuv understand this and don't look for the cheers when they are heels and both could be great faces if creative & Vince get behind them.

J. Marston

ShagNastii wrote: »

Will they bother with Ronda now that her stock has fallen considerably after last night? Plus celebwise I think Shaq alone will be suffice to fill that spot.

Is it a given that Ronda will end if in the WWE for more than just a once off? It'd be interesting to see how they book her if so. She'd have to be a complete Brock Lesnar-like destroyer.

Her stock has plummeted but she'd still draw quite a few for curiosity.

PTH2009

with Fozzy going back on tour next summer can we see a possible kayfabe loser leaves WWE match between y2j and Kevin Owens at mania with KO picking up the win ???

Y2J of course will return in 2018 sometime

Itssoeasy

Nakamura has good English. If you've listened to jerichos podcast he's speak good English. He's better than asuka.

Neil3030

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Miz & Resuv understand this and don't look for the cheers when they are heels and both could be great faces if creative & Vince get behind them.

A proportion of the fans share in the blame too. Even Miz and Rusev have their core following of smarks who praise (and cheer) them for being such convincing heels.

Blue_Dabadee

This is my WrestleMania 33 fantasy card. It is pretty hard to book because of the brand split.

6-Man Cruiserweight Ladder Match for Cruiserweight Championship
Rich Swann vs. Neville vs. Jack Gallagher vs. Brian Kendrick vs. TJ Perkins vs. Cedric Alexander

Raw vs. Smackdown Tag Team Match
Sheamus/Cesaro vs. American Alpha

Triple Threat Match
Big E vs. Xavier Woods vs. Kofi Kingston

Singles Match
Lesnar vs. Goldberg

2 Out Of 3 Falls Match for Raw Womens Championship
Charlotte vs. Bayley

Singles Match for WWE Championship
John Cena vs. The Undertaker

Fatal-4-Way for Smackdown Womens Championship
Alexa Bliss vs. Becky Lynch vs.

Mickie James

vs. Nikki Bella

Singles Match
Seth Rollins vs. Triple H

Singles Match
Big Show vs. Shaq

Andre Battle Royal
Most notable names include Dean Ambrose, Randy Orton, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Dolph Ziggler and Rusev.

Singles Match for Intercontinental Championship
AJ Styles (face turn) vs. The Miz

Singles Match for Universal Championship
Kevin Owens vs. Finn Balor or Chris Jericho

irish_stevo815

Blue_Dabadee wrote: »

Triple Threat Match
Big E vs. Xavier Woods vs. Kofi Kingston

2017's answer to the Shield Triple Threat 😋

LeeJM

Pretty sure I have said it before but I genuinely believe this is a do or die year for WWE at WrestleMania. They need to have all of the current roster beat the part timers in front of their biggest audience of the year. With that I mind here is my total fantasy never gonna happen WrestleMania card

Demon vs Demon 

Finn Balor vs Undertaker

WWE Universal Title 

Roman Reigns vs John Cena

WWE Heavyweight Championship Elimination Match

AJ Styles vs The Miz vs Randy Orton vs Bray Wyatt

Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg

HHH vs Seth Rollins

Big Show vs Shaq

BRAUNNNNN Strowman vs Shinsuke Nakamura

Kevin Owens vs Chris Jericho

Smackdown Tag Titles

American Alpha vs The Usos vs The Revival

RAW Tag Titles Cage Match

Sheamus/Cesaro vs The Club 

Raw Womens Title 

Charlotte vs Bayley vs Sasha vs Emma

Smackdown Womens Title 

Becky Lynch vs Nikki Bella

Cruiserweight Title 6 man Championship Scramble Match

Austin Aries vs Rich Swann vs Tozawa vs Gran Metalik vs TJP vs Neville 

Andre Battle Royal featuring everybody else

PTH2009

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/rumored-2017-hall-fame-inductees-changes-wrestlemania-matches-considered

Taker vs Strowman and Rollins vs Balor

We're never getting Cena vs taker are we ???

Looper007

Potential for this WM with no bad injuries so far (Balor aside) that they could have a top card for this one, depends on the booking of course.

Rumours so far are HHH/Rollins, Taker/Strowman, Bayley/Steph, Goldberg/Lesnar. You will have throw in the two women's champs matches (definitely expect a three way for one of them), the two Tag matches, I think we will get a Owens/Jericho match for U.S title, I think Reigns and Cena will be going in as Champs. Ambrose vs Ziggler for the I.C Belt or maybe Corbin to beat Ambrose at WM for a run with the I.C Belt. Styles wouldn't be shocking to me if gets the Rival brand match with someone like Balor, to build on that Bullet Club thing and to give that audience the "IWC" match. Expect one throwaway six man tag to get a few heads on the card, Cruiserweight title also. will be interesting to see the final card but expect it to be part time heavy in the main events.

correction

I would imagine they'll have to put at least one of, if not, both tag title matches on the pre show. The mid card titles have been handled fairly well lately and are held by top guys so I expect them to get proper matches when they'd usually be just throwaway. Jericho defending against Owens seems nailed on and Ambrose vs Ziggler/Corbin would be fine too. I assume the cruiserweight will be the 6 man ladder match this year as it just makes sense really. I think, unfortunately, that one of the womens title matches will be an under 5 minute cool down match, probably the Smackdown one (sorry Becky).

The main titles are a bit of a mystery to me especially if Cena vs Taker is off the table. I'm starting to get the feeling Balor could be back to win the Rumble to set up Reigns vs Balor which would be class. The Smackdown title I have less of an idea, they won't do Cena vs Styles again but maybe those two in a triple threat? Would be interested in that with perhaps The Miz involved. Also, and this is a long shot but will throw it out there anyway seen as they're supposedly good friends, Cena vs. Samoa Joe for the title? I think there's a good chance Joe debuts at the Rumble, and that's always been a bit of a dream match so yeah. I'll do a rough prediction.

Universal Championship
Roman Reigns (c) vs. Finn Balor

WWE Championship
John Cena (c) vs. AJ Styles vs. The Miz

Smackdown Womens Championship
Becky Lynch (c) vs. Nikki Bella

Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg

United States Championship
Chris Jericho (c) vs. Kevin Owens

Big Show vs. Shaq

Seth Rollins vs. Triple H

Raw Womens Championship
Charlotte (c) vs. Bayley

Undertaker vs. Braun Strowman

Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt

Intercontinental Championship
Dean Ambrose (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler

Cruiserweight Championship
6 Man ladder match, no idea with who

Card looks a little stacked so some won't make the cut I'm sure, possibly save Orton vs Wyatt for the next PPV. I also assume they'll have a couple extra multi man cool down matches.

irish_stevo815

That card would be very decent to be honest. Of course, would be much better if we got Cena vs Taker.

PTH2009

irish_stevo815 wrote: »

That card would be very decent to be honest. Of course, would be much better if we got Cena vs Taker.

There were suggestions this won't be takers last mania and there aiming for Cena vs Taker at mania 34

So by that card Balor wins the rumble and Reigns is yet again in the mania main event but hell watching an Irish man lift the title at the end of mania would be special

SureYWouldntYa

PTH2009 wrote: »

There were suggestions this won't be takers last mania and there aiming for Cena vs Taker at mania 34

So by that card Balor wins the rumble and Reigns is yet again in the mania main event but hell watching an Irish man lift the title at the end of mania would be special

They should do it now while they have the chance, I don't want this to be one of those matches that should have happened but never did

It was planned last year iirc and look how that turned out, you're dealing with 2 older guys who could get hurt at any time, do it now ffs

I really hope it's just them keeping schtum about it for this year and then when it happens we'll be twice as happy to see it

Flair a few weeks back on his podcast was talking about HHH vs Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania so maybe that will be HHHs match and Finn Vs Rollins?

SureYWouldntYa

Deleted User wrote: »

Flair a few weeks back on his podcast was talking about HHH vs Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania so maybe that will be HHHs match and Finn Vs Rollins?

Oh they can feck right off with that

If we don't get Rollins v HHH at Mania Rollins will have be in limbo doing nothing for near 6 months, and been calling him out for nothing for a while too

Hopefully they're just feeding Flair the wrong info since he's enough of a tit to reveal anything he's told

PTH2009

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

They should do it now while they have the chance, I don't want this to be one of those matches that should have happened but never did

It was planned last year iirc and look how that turned out, you're dealing with 2 older guys who could get hurt at any time, do it now ffs

I really hope it's just them keeping schtum about it for this year and then when it happens we'll be twice as happy to see it

Yeah they should do it this year but Vince is high on Braun Strowman and he thinks he be a better opponent for taker than Cena

Strowman vs taker will be so predictable with taker winning with a Tombstone but with Cena vs taker it could go anyway

SureYWouldntYa

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah they should do it this year but Vince is high on Braun Strowman and he thinks he be a better opponent for taker than Cena

Strowman vs taker will be so predictable with taker winning with a Tombstone but with Cena vs taker it could go anyway

The main reason I want to see that match at Mania

Too often the result of a match is obvious, while I want to see Rollins v HHH there's little doubt Rollins would have to win

The 2 title matches at the Rumble could go either way, and the Rumble has several possible winners, and while it could get narrowed down after the results of the title matches there'll always be a couple you could see winning

Loughc

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

The 2 title matches at the Rumble could go either way, and the Rumble has several possible winners, and while it could get narrowed down after the results of the title matches there'll always be a couple you could see winning

Cant see anything other than a Reigns/Cena double at the Rumble.

DM_7

Reigns going into Mania as Champion would be good. Use all that bad will towards his push/gimmick to put someone else over.

Loughc

DM_7 wrote: »

Reigns going into Mania as Champion would be good. Use all that bad will towards his push/gimmick to put someone else over.

Unless he walks out of Mania as champion and crushes someone else's push.

DM_7

Loughc wrote: »

Unless he walks out of Mania as champion and crushes someone else's push.

For sure.


That fear/doubt is what would really put someone over though.

SureYWouldntYa

Loughc wrote: »

Cant see anything other than a Reigns/Cena double at the Rumble.

I'd say you're right, but it wouldn't be a shock to see Styles and Owens come out with their titles

Those matches aren't 50-50 but it's not overly obvious what's going to happen

Lord TSC

Reigns dropped the US title to Jericho so Jericho and Owens can go into Mania feuding over it. Something like Owens getting jealous that Jericho has a belt and he lost his, etc.

Reigns is 100% winning the title this weekend.

Likewise, Vince will want his other main man, Cena, running the top match for Smackdown. He can't help himself ; Mania means the Indy Darlings go have a solid match in mid card while his top guys headline.

DM_7

How it got here, right or wrong, Reigns is the right RAW guy to be champion going into Mania. He was chasing the last two years, won last time, should now go in as champion.

He does carry himself like a star and has a name value (that KO does not have) which is important going into the big show of the year. Triple H, Brock Lesner, Randy Orton, The Rock were the last 4 champions going into Mania.

Cena is in a similar spot where a guy who faces him or beats him can look great.

Its the genuine part timers getting spots rather than WWE's regualar stars that will hurt/lower the positive impact of the show.