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UFC 207: Nunes vs Rousey (Women's Bantamweight Title)

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    #722
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Ronda was still beating the best fighters in the world though, you can only beat what's put in front of you. Same as Mighty Mouse.

    We aren't comparing divisions here, we are saying that Ronda was fighting the best females in the world and crushing them.

    Yeah, but that's as impressive as Celtic crushing Motherwell, to me.


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    #723
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Yeah, but that's as impressive as Celtic crushing Motherwell, to me.

    Well, that is ridiculous in my opinion.


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    #724
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ok, all divisions contain equal talent then? Because that's what you're saying.

    Nope, what I'm saying is that I think your Scottish soccer analogy is beyond ridiculous.


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    #725
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Well, that is ridiculous in my opinion.

    Why? The moment she ran into world class opposition she was completely destroyed. Twice. It makes me question the quality of at least some of her opponents and the division.


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    #726
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    Nope, what I'm saying is that I think your Scottish soccer analogy is beyond ridiculous.

    Ok, so you agree that divisions have unequal levels of talent?


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    #727
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ok, so you agree that divisions have unequal levels of talent?

    Do you agree that this egg is better than this egg shaped rock??


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    #728
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Why? The moment she ran into world class opposition she was completely destroyed. Twice. It makes me question the quality of at least some of her opponents and the division.

    Meisha Tate wasn't world class opposition?

    The same Meisha Tate who beat Holly Holm for the title.

    Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano are rubbish yet they both beat the world class Amanda Nunes?


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    #729
    Wrongway1985
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

    So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

    Is that clearer?

    I struggle to imagine being psyched for the likes of Leganes and Eibar myself.


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    #730
    rob316
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

    So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

    Is that clearer?

    UFC is the top promotion in the world, if you have cleared house in your division there is nothing more you can do, you are the best. If someone else comes along and does the same and beats you they are the best.

    Could'nt you say the same about any division champion? Like maybe Mcgregor isn't that good and the FW division is just bad.

    I think what it would be fair to say is her fights before Holmes were all good style matches for her. She was always an appalling bad striker so it was only a matter of time before that part of her game got exposed.
    I don't know was it arrogance, **** coaching or both that she thought she could stand up in their again.

    She is done anyway IMO doesn't have the heart or humility to learn from her mistakes which is stark contrast to someone like Mcgregor who brought on his take down defence leaps and bounds after the Diaz defeat.


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    #731
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    Do you agree that this egg is better than this egg shaped rock??

    Ah, the MMA forum...


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    #732
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Meisha Tate wasn't world class opposition?

    The same Meisha Tate who beat Holly Holm for the title.

    Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano are rubbish yet they both beat the world class Amanda Nunes?

    Yeah, fair enough. Maybe those styles of fighters suited her perfectly then.


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    #733
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ah, the MMA forum...

    Says the man who brought up the Scottish football drivel :D


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    #734
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Ah, the MMA forum...

    Yup, where guys try to compare the elite women's 135 lb division in the world with Scottish soccerball. Crazy innit.


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    #735
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Says the man who brought up the Scottish football drivel :D

    I rest my case.


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    #736
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    Yup, where guys try to compare the elite women's 135 lb division in the world with Scottish soccerball. Crazy innit.

    I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

    I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

    Lesson learned.


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    #737
    finglashoop
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    Whether the talent pool in the division is deep. She cleared out everyone like most do until someone comes along and beats them. Rousey done it cruz done it. Dj is still doing it. Styles match ups favoured her strengths up to the last two where she was out struck and her weakness was exposed


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    #738
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Yeah, fair enough. Maybe those styles of fighters suited her perfectly then.

    Don't get me wrong Ronda was and is a one dimensional fighter. But I think it's unfair to say she beat nobodies. She beat the top women around at that time.

    She's still a top 3-4 fighter in the division and wouldn't be a big underdog betting wise vs anyone.


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    #739
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

    I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

    Lesson learned.

    You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.


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    #740
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

    I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

    Lesson learned.
    John_D80 wrote: »
    You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.

    Oh the irony. :pac:


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    #741
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.

    It was a metaphor. The word has two uses. Jesus, you have Google at your disposal.

    Thanks for the laugh though!


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    #742
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Oh the irony. :pac:

    There's no excuse for not using Google. Look it up.


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    #743
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Saipanne wrote: »
    It was a metaphor. The word has two uses. Jesus, you have Google at your disposal.

    Thanks for the laugh though!

    Two quite different things. Don't need to use google to know the difference mate.


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    #744
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Saipanne wrote: »
    There's no excuse for not using Google. Look it up.

    What you used was an analogy, not a metaphor.


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    #745
    John_D80
    Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    mdwexford wrote: »
    What you used was an analogy, not a metaphor.

    If he keeps up the metaphor/analogy argument it will be embarrassing as hell for him!

    Saipanne, for a bonus point can you pick out the metaphor in the sentence above?? :)


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    #746
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Anyways lads back on topic,


    Rondas UFC career her 6 fights before the Holm loss she fought 6 people who had no back round in striking, Holly we all know as a multiple time world champion boxer and Nunes had been doing Karate and started boxing aged 16 I dont think any of the girls she beat were doing anything like it from a young age, hindsight is a wonderful thing we all expected her Judo to beat boxing but its clear as day now it doesnt, in the right frame of mind she'd still beat them 6 girls she beat before Holly.


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    #747
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    John_D80 wrote: »
    If he keeps up the metaphor/analogy argument it will be embarrassing as hell for him!

    Saipanne, for a bonus point can you pick out the metaphor in the sentence above?? :)

    Ok, that made me giggle. :)


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    #748
    wotzgoingon
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    Did Ronda not do any interview after she lost. I'm trying to find one on youtube but cannot find one, I did find a fake interview where they had a actor as her and they were ripping the **** out of her.

    Bad form that she refuses to do a interview. Even McGreger done one after he lost.


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    #749
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Did Ronda not do any interview after she lost. I'm trying to find one on youtube but cannot find one, I did find a fake interview where they had a actor as her and they were ripping the **** out of her.

    Bad form that she refuses to do a interview. Even McGreger done one after he lost.


    There is no losing interviews if you're tko'd anymore.


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    #750
    johnpatrick81
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    There's no doubting that the last 2 losses blow a huge hole in Ronda's fighting ability legacy. But there's also no doubting her dominance before then. It's clear as day though the strength in depth simply wasn't there. 2 more wins and I'd say Nunes has the better cv


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    #751
    Rainman16
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    tinpib wrote: »
    I think/hope Amanda will go on to be a star and make a lot of money. Some people here say she isn't box office but I think she can be.

    People want to see opponents getting knocked de fudge out, it draws in casual viewers. That's twice in a row now that Amanda has swarmed her opponent and given them a good beating.

    If UFC get behind her and promote her as some type of women's knock out machine/Mike Tyson and as the woman that [maybe] retired Ronda the casual viewer will buy PPVs.

    Also she can do interviews in English which helps her, although it will be tough to have a great way with words.

    She is a contrast to Katie Taylor. I saw Katie Taylor's last fight, a dour enough points victory. Sponsors/casual viewers aren't going to tuning in for that type of performance despite Sky Sports/PPV doing their usual hype.

    I don't know how the American public will respond to Amanda as the new face of Womens MMA. The pessimist in me thinks they will not embrace her in anywhere near the same way. Maybe for many reasons, Her nationality, her appearance, her accent and sadly even her sexual orientation.

    Amanda deserves her respect. She's the Champion, destroyed the two biggest names in woman MMA in her last two fights. She is a seriously impressive fighter, I hope people support her

    As for Taylor, womans boxing is a long way behind MMA, I think Taylor will be successful, a world champion in the ring, But she doesn't really have a the personalty so really self promote like say a Rousey or McGregor.


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