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Mick Wallace is bankrupt....

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    #32
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    laugh wrote: »
    So if your business becomes unviable and owes money because of a global economic crash you are a criminal?

    If he was left with his assets, he might have been able to pay his debtors.

    People paid him VAT. He had a duty to pass it on to the Revenue Commisioners accordingly.


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    #33
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kbannon wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, why?
    What has he done in your view that justifies the salary?

    Used his position as TD to expose the treatment of Garda whistleblowers and dodgy dealing by Nama are two examples.


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    #34
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,940 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    laugh wrote: »
    Why? It's 2016, billionaire business men wear jeans and t-shirts.
    That's fine but name one of them that looks like a tramp?


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    #35
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kbannon wrote: »
    That's fine but name one of them that looks like a tramp?

    He has long hair and wears colourful shirts, I was in a restaurant at the same time as him recently and he looked nothing like a tramp.


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    #36
    Seth Brundle
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    laugh wrote: »
    He has long hair and wears colourful shirts, I was in a restaurant at the same time as him recently and he looked nothing like a tramp.
    By not mentioning any names, I presume that you can't name any millionare that dresses like a tramp, which confirms my belief that you're posting rubbish!

    He looks like something that woke up in the gutter.
    It has nothing to do with his long hair either - it is his entire appearance - he looks like he couldn't be bothered trying to show any respect for his employers.
    He turns up to the Dáil looking like a disgrace, that you can not deny.


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    #37
    Seth Brundle
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    laugh wrote: »
    Used his position as TD to expose the treatment of Garda whistleblowers and dodgy dealing by Nama are two examples.
    What exactly did he uncover in NAMA and where is the evidence?
    Also, one cannot avoid the elephant in the room in that his shouting about NAMA and Cerberus could have been to muddy the water between his personally guarranteed debts to them!


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    #38
    laugh
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    kbannon wrote: »
    By not mentioning any names, I presume that you can't name any millionare that dresses like a tramp, which confirms my belief that you're posting rubbish!

    He looks like something that woke up in the gutter.
    It has nothing to do with his long hair either - it is his entire appearance - he looks like he couldn't be bothered trying to show any respect for his employers.
    He turns up to the Dáil looking like a disgrace, that you can not deny.

    No I don't have a backwards mentality. I work in technology, you can turn up looking however you want (having an offensive odour might be problematic) as long as you can do the work and get along with others.


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    #39
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kbannon wrote: »
    What exactly did he uncover in NAMA and where is the evidence?
    Also, one cannot avoid the elephant in the room in that his shouting about NAMA and Cerberus could have been to muddy the water between his personally guarranteed debts to them!

    He was the first one to highlight that the deal involved back handers and the amount payed wasn't in the best interest of the tax payer.


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    #40
    Donal55
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    Bertie, Lowry and Callelley wear suits.
    By the way this thread is about Wallace being bankrupt. I wonder will he be tied to the ISI realistic living expenses?


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    #41
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    Anybody know what assets Mick still has?


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    #42
    Seth Brundle
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    laugh wrote: »
    No I don't have a backwards mentality. I work in technology, you can turn up looking however you want (having an offensive odour might be problematic) as long as you can do the work and get along with others.

    Did you turn up to your job interview looking however you want and if not, why?


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    #43
    Seth Brundle
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    Bertie, Lowry and Callelley wear suits.
    By the way this thread is about Wallace being bankrupt. I wonder will he be tied to the ISI realistic living expenses?
    Thousands of people wear suits. Just because some dodgy people wore them does not negate the fact that they make one look respectful.
    Would you turn up to a wedding in a tee shirt?
    Or court?
    Or a job interview?
    Or...


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    #44
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    kbannon wrote: »
    Did you turn up to your job interview looking however you want and if not, why?

    Pretty much, the e-mail inviting me to interview specifically said not to wear a suit. It would be odd for two beardy dudes wearing cargo shorts and t-shirts to interview someone in a suit.

    The world has moved on, I'd rather work with decent people who don't attribute a value to someone based on what they wear.


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    #45
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    kbannon wrote: »
    Thousands of people wear suits. Just because some dodgy people wore them does not negate the fact that they make one look respectful.
    Would you turn up to a wedding in a tee shirt?
    Or court?
    Or a job interview?
    Or...

    You seem obsessed with Wallace's attire. This thread is about his bankruptcy.


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    #46
    Seth Brundle
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    You seem obsessed with Wallace's attire. This thread is about his bankruptcy.
    No, I also disagree that Wallace has made much of an impact on NAMA.
    I still believe that his motivation was not to uncover corruption (like he suddenly has converted from being a property developer to being a socially concious warrior) but to attack Cerberus from a better angle!
    However, my previous point on that was ignored and you guys have contiinued on my point of him looking like a tramp!

    Edit: also note that I didn't criticise his help for the whistleblowers. I think here his actions were beneficial.


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    #47
    screamer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭screamer


    Declared bankrupt and having no money are very different things........
    Personally, I don't think anyone who is declared bankrupt should be considered fit to serve in a government, if they can't even look after their own interests then what chance has joe public with their money........


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    #48
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    kbannon wrote: »
    No, I also disagree that Wallace has made much of an impact on NAMA.
    I still believe that his motivation was not to uncover corruption (like he suddenly has converted from being a property developer to being a socially concious warrior) but to attack Cerberus from a better angle!
    However, my previous point on that was ignored and you guys have contiinued on my point of him looking like a tramp!

    Edit: also note that I didn't criticise his help for the whistleblowers. I think here his actions were beneficial.

    No gra for Wallace here, he owes revenue and others, he should pay up. Credit to him for the Garda whistleblowing story, what he wears doesn't concern me.


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    #49
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Kbannon, you should do your research. MW was dealing with the Nama issue and Cerbus long before his loan was sold by ACC to Cerebus.
    He was always socially concious. Remember his banners on his cranes?
    Great work too with Wexford Youth.


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    #50
    homerjay2005
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    laugh wrote: »
    Used his position as TD to expose the treatment of Garda whistleblowers and dodgy dealing by Nama are two examples.

    if thats how you judge somebody for being a good TD, no wonder clowns like Wallace are getting elected.


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    #51
    Seth Brundle
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    screamer wrote: »
    Declared bankrupt and having no money are very different things........
    Personally, I don't think anyone who is declared bankrupt should be considered fit to serve in a government, if they can't even look after their own interests then what chance has joe public with their money........
    But he has looked after his own interests. He made sure that his vinyard in Tuscany is in good hands (where he still has visiting rights).


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    #52
    Donal55
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    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    if thats how you judge somebody for being a good TD, no wonder clowns like Wallace are getting elected.

    In fairness I'd prefer Wallace's attempts than then likes of Dicey Reilly's shenanigans with Primary Care Centres.


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    #53
    joint operation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭joint operation


    can ya loan us a tenner mick


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    #54
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    seamus wrote: »
    There you are. If you want to be successful, it's go big or go home. Don't be a chump borrowing €300k here and there - borrow €30m and you too can walk away with a €90k salary (plus expenses and generous holidays) and the roof over your head.

    That's not how bankruptcy works. The Official Assignee will decide where the income will go and most of it, beyond reasonable living expenses, will go into the bankruptcy. The family home is also at risk and Wallaces ownership of it automatically vests to the OA immediately.


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    #55
    Seth Brundle
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    Water John wrote: »
    Kbannon, you should do your research. MW was dealing with the Nama issue and Cerbus long before his loan was sold by ACC to Cerebus.
    He was always socially concious. Remember his banners on his cranes?
    Great work too with Wexford Youth.
    Didn't Cerberus buy his loan book in late 2014 (ACC had it had in receivership since 2011)?
    Didn't he first speak out about Cerberus, Project Eagle & NAMA in July 2015?


    http://www.ohigginssolicitors.ie/mick-wallace%E2%80%99s-property-company-being-wound-us-firm
    http://www.thejournal.ie/project-eagle-timeline-2978770-Sep2016/



    As for him being socially conscious, don't forget that he had to be forced to pay his employees pensions. He still hasn't paid his share of taxes. That's not being socially conscious!


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    #56
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Did you turn up to your job interview looking however you want and if not, why?

    What has looks got to do with it? If being clean and tidy isn't enough, then the company isn't the right place to work IMO.
    kbannon wrote: »
    Thousands of people wear suits. Just because some dodgy people wore them does not negate the fact that they make one look respectful.
    Would you turn up to a wedding in a tee shirt?
    Or court?
    Or a job interview?
    Or...

    Should he straighten his hair? Or shave his beard? How is he untidy exactly? He wears decent clothes, it's just not the "norm" for his line of work, and fair play to him for going against the grain there. However, what the F has this got to do with the thread title anyway?


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    #57
    Seth Brundle
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    Alondra Strong Tomb wrote: »
    What has looks got to do with it? If being clean and tidy isn't enough, then the company isn't the right place to work IMO.



    Should he straighten his hair? Or shave his beard? How is he untidy exactly? He wears decent clothes, it's just not the "norm" for his line of work, and fair play to him for going against the grain there. However, what the F has this got to do with the thread title anyway?

    Hey, I didn't start the fashion discussion.
    Among other points, I mentioned how he does not look like wishes to show any form of respect to his employers!


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    #58
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    kbannon wrote: »
    Hey, I didn't start the fashion discussion.
    Among other points, I mentioned how he does not look like wishes to show any form of respect to his employers!

    Hey me hole... I don't really care if you "started it" or not, it's a point your brought up and I challenged it.

    That's your opinion, how he dresses shouldn't have any bearing on how he does his job or how he shows respect.


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    #59
    Seth Brundle
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    Alondra Strong Tomb wrote: »
    Hey me hole... I don't really care if you "started it" or not, it's a point your brought up and I challenged it.

    That's your opinion, how he dresses shouldn't have any bearing on how he does his job or how he shows respect.
    OK then. Answer my question then
    Would you turn up to a wedding in a tee shirt?
    Or court?
    Or a job interview?

    I don't expect a suit. I do expect that he looks smart and respectful. His "socialist" comrades can do it, why can't he?

    However how he dresses does affect how he shows respect. Would you keep your job in Tesco if you didn't wear your uniform? What about being a teacher or a garda or GP?


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    #60
    [Deleted User]
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    bazza1 wrote: »
    Financially or intellectually? :D

    Dont forget morally also


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    #61
    martingriff
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    In fairness I'd prefer Wallace's attempts than then likes of Dicey Reilly's shenanigans with Primary Care Centres.



    so you don't mind some shenanigans. So how do you decide which can be lambasted and which can't. I mean lets say FF FG Lab is declared bankrupt would you care as less as you do here or because it is someone from FF FG LAB etc hey should be hung drawn and quatered.

    Has Wallance done some work in various scandals? Yes
    Should that protect him from been outraged in relation to his taxes, pensions and bankruptcy? NO


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