Snowflake Generation.

pumpkin4life

Wolf Club wrote: »

The two most prevalent things associated with "Generation Snowflake" are probably safe spaces and trigger warnings, but have these actually caught on in Irish Universities? If you were studying Titus Andronicus, or something, would there be a warning on the cover advising the student to take care while reading it?

Posted this in another thread:

pumpkin4life wrote: »

One of my friends did a literature course in UCD of all fùcking places on Chaucer.

One of the stories from The Canterbury Tales they studied was The Miller's Tale. The Miller's Tale is a story about cuckoldry. The tutor was a feminist wan who spent the class discussing how funny it is this guy was getting cuckolded, how women were superior to men and how the class assignment was to apply feminist theory to this tale, and talk about how modern and sexually progressive it is from the viewpoint of the modern woman. She even stated that it was her dream to bring down the family as it is a unit of oppression lol.

This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching, that your taxpayer money is being pissed away on.

silverharp

supposedly there is a "Gen Z" on the way and they might veer their own path away from millennials and their parents

Jelle1880

silverharp wrote: »

supposedly there is a "Gen Z" on the way and they might veer their own path away from millennials and their parents

Almost every generation has went it's own way, differing from their parents/grandparents/...

It's not a new thing.

snotboogie

Boom_Bap wrote: »

This just reminded me of Tomi Lahren the other day on Trevor Noah - I'm a Millennial, I don't like labels.

Not her biggest fan, especially her views on welfare but lets be fair here, she was being deliberately flippant when she said that. The fact that Noah and the legions of people dying to disparage her in any way possible have ran with it just shows how both sides of the modern culture war communicate with each other.

silverharp

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Almost every generation has went it's own way, differing from their parents/grandparents/...

It's not a new thing.

the last 2 or 3 assumed life was going to be easier, I think the generation of kids now get the feeling life is going to be more difficult career housing etc. so they might be a bit more practically and serious minded.

El_Duderino 09

silverharp wrote:

supposedly there is a "Gen Z" on the way and they might veer their own path away from millennials and their parents

Going their own way is the problem older people have with younger people. The older generation of today call that phenomenon snowflakes.

Some of these older folks even think its original or profound, if you can imagine lacking self awareness to such a degree.

Jelle1880

silverharp wrote: »

the last 2 or 3 assumed life was going to be easier, I think the generation of kids now get the feeling life is going to be more difficult career housing etc. so they might be a bit more practically and serious minded.

Actually for the last 2 or 3 generations life was getting easier. Wages went up, a ton of people could easily buy a house, one or more cars, get several children,... and lead a comfortable life.

My generation (early 30's) seems to be the one that is now being confronted with a ****ed up economy, caused by the spending spree of previous generations who seemingly didn't anticipate what effect they would have on later generations.

You're right that the future generation will likely be hit even harder with this, but my point still stands that generations moving away from the ways of their parents/grandparents/... is perfectly normal. It always happens.

snotboogie

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

silverharp wrote:

supposedly there is a "Gen Z" on the way and they might veer their own path away from millennials and their parents

Going their own way is the problem older people have with younger people. The older generation of today call that phenomenon snowflakes.

Some of these older folks even think its original or profound, if you can imagine lacking self awareness to such a degree.

Well the major difference is that this is the first generation in a long time to be more conservative than their parents. Usually children are more liberal.

El_Duderino 09

snotboogie wrote:

Well the major difference is that this is the first generation in a long time to be more conservative than their parents. Usually children are more liberal.

Is that actually happening? In what sense do you mean conservative? Fiscally or socially or something else because the premise of generation snowflake is that the kids are a bunch of lefties.

The older generations who racked up all the debt were hardly being conservative at the time. Is that what you mean?

silverharp

snotboogie wrote: »

Well the major difference is that this is the first generation in a long time to be more conservative than their parents. Usually children are more liberal.

yep that would sum it up, the Millennials were the most "progressive" generation and were more liberal than their parents, this Gen Z group might just correct the "excesses" and flip back to being more conservative so they will be a reversal of trend generation not a continuation.

Grayson

Walter H Price wrote: »

i fully agree i'm 25 and my OH is 23 , by times we both feel totally out of touch with our own generation including, my own sister who is 22.

There aren't 40 genders there's 2 at most 3 (2 + Neutral), i don't get how you can support all minorities when many of them hold conflicting values on each other, my sister again, is very pro LGBT , anti Church , openly atheist but also Pro Islam, it makes no sense , given Muslims have an even more negative view towords homosexuals and atheists than Catholics.

The participation award has allot to answer for , i played sport competitively my entire childhood i loved competing loved winning and hated loosing , but loosing teach's you and important life lesson sometimes your not the best , you have an off day or there's just someone better than you and on those day no you don't get the prize or the treat or whatever , you learn and the next time your better, you try harder, you train more , become better, then you win. the amount of people my age ive seen have near nearvous breakdowns because they haven't gotten a job after and interview or because they got some negative feedback in work is astonishing.

like it or not this is a weak fragile generation , i don't know is snowflake the right term but emotionally this is a weak weak generation, that struggle with any form of criticism or rejection.

Few things. It's possible to be "anti church" and "pro islam". Personally I think the catholic church has a lot to answer for. Covering up the abuse was horrific. BUt I also know that the vast majority of priests are not abusers. It's the organisation and the people in the organisation, that covered up the abuse that I have a problem. Likewise I think the church have been bad for womens reproductive rights and sexual rights in general. So I dislike that. But the thing is that most catholics don't toe the line with the church when it comes to sex. They have sex before marriage, use contraception etc. So just being a catholic doesn't mean that you are automatically toeing the line on church doctrine.

The same goes for Islam. There's a huge amount of difference between your average Muslim in a western country and people like the Saudi regime or ISIS. Being "pro Muslim" just means not automatically prejudging all Muslims based on the actions of a few.

Second point. I don't think Generation Z (the latest one that people are referring to as generation snowflake) are particularly weak. Someone cries after an interview? That's always happened except people weren't as willing to admit it before. People haven't changed, it's just it's become more acceptable to be open and honest rather than hiding it away.

Grayson

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Actually for the last 2 or 3 generations life was getting easier. Wages went up, a ton of people could easily buy a house, one or more cars, get several children,... and lead a comfortable life.

My generation (early 30's) seems to be the one that is now being confronted with a ****ed up economy, caused by the spending spree of previous generations who seemingly didn't anticipate what effect they would have on later generations.

You're right that the future generation will likely be hit even harder with this, but my point still stands that generations moving away from the ways of their parents/grandparents/... is perfectly normal. It always happens.

And the next generation will be even more fcuked because of global warming.

silverharp

Grayson wrote: »

Second point. I don't think Generation Z (the latest one that people are referring to as generation snowflake) are particularly weak. Someone cries after an interview? That's always happened except people weren't as willing to admit it before. People haven't changed, it's just it's become more acceptable to be open and honest rather than hiding it away.

Gen Z are post Millennials , most of them are still in school so you havnt really seen them, in action yet

Walter H Price

Grayson wrote: »

Few things. It's possible to be "anti church" and "pro islam". Personally I think the catholic church has a lot to answer for. Covering up the abuse was horrific. BUt I also know that the vast majority of priests are not abusers. It's the organisation and the people in the organisation, that covered up the abuse that I have a problem. Likewise I think the church have been bad for womens reproductive rights and sexual rights in general. So I dislike that. But the thing is that most catholics don't toe the line with the church when it comes to sex. They have sex before marriage, use contraception etc. So just being a catholic doesn't mean that you are automatically toeing the line on church doctrine.

The same goes for Islam. There's a huge amount of difference between your average Muslim in a western country and people like the Saudi regime or ISIS. Being "pro Muslim" just means not automatically prejudging all Muslims based on the actions of a few.

Second point. I don't think Generation Z (the latest one that people are referring to as generation snowflake) are particularly weak. Someone cries after an interview? That's always happened except people weren't as willing to admit it before. People haven't changed, it's just it's become more acceptable to be open and honest rather than hiding it away.

Don't get my wrong here i'm an Atheist , i think the Catholic church spout a load of nonsense a, has committed and covered up heinous abuse i have 0 time for them , i feel the exact same about Islam however its also nonsense , and its equally exploiting the vulnerabilities of the poor and ill educated just in a different way , i don't get why anyone one would chaste one but defend the other there both deplorable and i would be equally suspect of devout followers of either doctrine.

Im not talking about normal upset thats ok , obviously anyone will be dissappointed not to get a job or to get some negative feedback , im talking about complete over actions to normal situations i've seen so much of it in work at this stage both from colleagues and those i manage , grown adults who are incapable of processing criticism. it stems from this whole thing we had in school where you could never be told straight out you were wrong , you got praised and rewarded just for participating like wtf does that teach kids about life . im looking at 25 - 30 year olds who are already worn down by life because they lived in little sheltered bubbles until they were about 21 then couldnt cope with the real world. its there in front of you if you look this is a weak generation, easily upset , easily offended, cant handle criticism or loosing out.

cajonlardo

Jelle1880 wrote: »

My generation (early 30's) seems to be the one that is now being confronted with a ****ed up economy, caused by the spending spree of previous generations who seemingly didn't anticipate what effect they would have on later generations.

After reading up on the causes of the economic crash and banking crisis in Ireland I don' t see any qualified people pointing fingers at the general public. If you are interested a quick google will throw up several credible articles

"We all Partied" was the cry of the grease ball **** heads who led the country into this.

For me, and my neighbours and anyone I know, life went on as it always had. We worked, we drove average cars and lived in the average homes we'd bought with responsible mortgages.

Its a bit insulting to have the sins Seany Fitz, Bertie Ahern and all the F.F treasonous cnuts, Kelly and Ronan et al heaped onto hard working and responsible people.

El_Duderino 09

Crying after an interview is a good example of the generation gap. Jobs are much less stable and more competitive that the older folks probably realise.

We now make whole series of tv shows about job interviews like the apprentice and dragons den. Shows where people compete for a job and get spoken to like crap and even when they don't get the job they still have to eat a sh1t sandwich and smile while they're doing it.

Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job. Never mind the fact that those older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living. Try saving for a house and family under those circumstances and see how you feel after an unsuccessful job interview.

Never mind the fact that these older folks have had their fun with the economy, bought a garish McMansion they couldn't afford and raised their children in it before giving it back to the bank.

Hey grandad, put all your thoughts on generation snowflake into your blog and WhatsApp me the address. Then I can never ever read it because it seems that in spite of all their smugness, the older chaps don't have a clue either.

The geniuses who were fully matured in the Celtic tiger should be delighted their children are taking a different path to themselves because they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when they held the reigns.

looksee

I posted this on another forum recently:

Someone came up with a quite useful phrase, 'special snowflake'.

In case anyone hasn't thought about it, it is the idea that one snowflake among millions of other snowflakes is special. Its not really of course, each snowflake, while being apparently identical to all the others, is slightly different, unique. Like people.

Except that some people think their tiny uniqueness makes them special and worthy of exceptional treatment by all the other unique people. So the phrase 'special snowflake' has a very specific and useful meaning.

It really hasn't taken very long though for some people to stomp on this carefully crafted, if slightly irritating, term and use it to mean what they want it to mean. Which has little to do with the original definition. It is already being used to mean 'people who don't agree with me' and is being reduced to 'flakes' as shorthand.

Pity. Another step towards bland, lcd, mushy language. And apparently, not a lot we can do about it.

I still hold with this opinion and I think that there is a lot of over-complication going on about a fairly straightforward phrase. Of course someone who thinks they are special might claim to be triggered, to be deserving of 'safe spaces' etc, these are just examples of the me, me, me attitude. It is a reflection on the fact that now everyone has a voice, thanks to the internet, some people think their voices, opinions and emotional fragility are worthy of more attention than they actually are.

_Kaiser_

The problem is that the era of the cheap smartphone and platforms like Twitter and Facebook means that every idiot can have his 2c, and because you also have 24/7 news media struggling to fill hours, they simply repost a lot of the nonsense making it seem more mainstream than it actually is.

The problem arise when media outlets and people who should know better start taking it seriously and debating it, thus giving the impression of legitimacy.

30 years ago these people would have been standing outside whatever it was they had an issue with with placards and chanting slogans, but ignored by the rest of us. Progress eh?

philstar

snowflakes have always been around...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3YiPC91QUk

cajonlardo

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job.

Ahhhhhhhhhh, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Walter H Price

cajonlardo wrote: »

Ahhhhhhhhhh, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

No pressure at all in the 50's ,60's and 80's , warped attitude we have it piss easy today in comparison.

My grandfathers were down the docks at 13 worked 2 and 3 manual labor intensive jobs all their adult lives , my dad was on and off short contracts (1 or 2 months at a time) for 6 years in the mid eighties to early nineties because there was literally no jobs , couldn't get approved for a mortgage or car loan , with a masters degree.

padd b1975

seamus wrote: »

And who were the generation who decided to hand out those participation trophies?

The words "Quite life" and "anything" spring to mind.

Grayson

cajonlardo wrote: »

After reading up on the causes of the economic crash and banking crisis in Ireland I don' t see any qualified people pointing fingers at the general public. If you are interested a quick google will throw up several credible articles

"We all Partied" was the cry of the grease ball **** heads who led the country into this.

For me, and my neighbours and anyone I know, life went on as it always had. We worked, we drove average cars and lived in the average homes we'd bought with responsible mortgages.

Its a bit insulting to have the sins Seany Fitz, Bertie Ahern and all the F.F treasonous cnuts, Kelly and Ronan et al heaped onto hard working and responsible people.

Nearly everyone is responsible to an extent. Well, everyone who participated in the madness. It's like the tulip craze in Amsterdam. Sure the dealers/auctioneers were to blame but so were the idiots that bought the tulips.

The best description of the boom here was that Irish people thought everyone could get rich selling houses to themselves.

It's like global warming. Sure governments could do more but so could individuals. It's hypocritical to say that the government are to blame when you're driving a massive SUV around town.

Didas

Walter H Price wrote: »

Don't get my wrong here i'm an Atheist , i think the Catholic church spout a load of nonsense a, has committed and covered up heinous abuse i have 0 time for them , i feel the exact same about Islam however its also nonsense , and its equally exploiting the vulnerabilities of the poor and ill educated just in a different way , i don't get why anyone one would chaste one but defend the other there both deplorable and i would be equally suspect of devout followers of either doctrine.

Im not talking about normal upset thats ok , obviously anyone will be dissappointed not to get a job or to get some negative feedback , im talking about complete over actions to normal situations i've seen so much of it in work at this stage both from colleagues and those i manage , grown adults who are incapable of processing criticism. it stems from this whole thing we had in school where you could never be told straight out you were wrong , you got praised and rewarded just for participating like wtf does that teach kids about life . im looking at 25 - 30 year olds who are already worn down by life because they lived in little sheltered bubbles until they were about 21 then couldnt cope with the real world. its there in front of you if you look this is a weak generation, easily upset , easily offended, cant handle criticism or loosing out.

What schools were these? I'm from a young generation and my teachers had no problem ****ing me and others out of it, most times rightly, sometimes excessively, when we acted up, weren't working or were generally acting the bollocks.

petrolcan

brevity wrote: »

libtard

Come on!

cajonlardo

Walter H Price wrote: »

No pressure at all in the 50's ,60's and 80's , warped attitude we have it piss easy today in comparison.

My grandfathers were down the docks at 13 worked 2 and 3 manual labor intensive jobs all their adult lives , my dad was on and off short contracts (1 or 2 months at a time) for 6 years in the mid eighties to early nineties because there was literally no jobs , couldn't get approved for a mortgage or car loan , with a masters degree.

That is an accurate description. Add to that little or no health and safety, no real world worker's rights, no cap on hours you worked, no minimum wage.....

P.S I remember a woman standing with her back to a shop window to cover up a iob vacancy sign. She made her son run about 2 miles back to their house and get her other son to come down and apply for the job. She never moved in all that time.

I believe things are chronic when young people work their arses off to get educated, finish an apprenticeship or work long hours in a factory and still can't afford a place to live. I just don't like it being blamed on people who had nothing to do with what happened and I resnt being told that my generation had it in any way easy.

pumpkin4life

tonygun wrote: »

What schools were these? I'm from a young generation and my teachers had no problem ****ing me and others out of it, most times rightly, sometimes excessively, when we acted up, weren't working or were generally acting the bollocks.

D4 millenials. Isn't as common in poorer areas/schools in the country. Yous only see it in a big way when yous are in TCD/UCD and theres a massive chunk of well off students.

Also this snowflake stuff is a very recent thing. If you're 25 or over, you probably saw very little of it tbh.

18-23 or so maybe like.

Bit cynical

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job. Never mind the fact that those older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living.

Yes they have.

arctictree

I think the last decade is the only one in the last 50 or 60 years where there has been very little inflation. I'm paid the same as I was 10 years ago.

Mister Vain

When I was young I fell 8000 feet onto a pile of jagged rocks. Of course people were tougher in those days. I was jitterbugging that very night!