Snowflake Generation.

Alun

Grandeeod wrote: »

If you don't believe that the Snowflake generation exists, your mad!

A handful of extreme cases reported in newspapers and the Twittersphere doesn't mean a whole generation is like that though. Have you ever met anybody like that in the real world?

Ulysses Gaze

Grandeeod wrote: »

If you don't believe that the Snowflake generation exists, your mad!

It only exists in social media echo chambers and on specific college campuses.

Most of it is virtual Virtue Signalling.

Grayson

Grandeeod wrote: »

There was an article on the Indo website earlier today. I can't find it now. Basically it was about an over weight female journo being told by some bloke in Amsterdam that he didn't like fat women, but found her face attractive.

The article was so mixed up and ****ed up that I couldn't finish my ****ing weetabix! She cried. Then she didn't cry, but by **** did she rant about how upset and offended she was by the experience. Me and my missus are in the oul 40s like, so I asked herself what she would have said to this dude if she was overweight and somewhat younger. Well I got the answer I expected and thats why I love her. She would have told him to **** off and look in a mirror ya stupid bollox. Now go off there and screw a plug hole. Bottom line, she would have the confidence and ability to dismiss the dope.

If you don't believe that the Snowflake generation exists, your mad!

You couldn't finish your weetabix and had to go and find someone to validate your opinion..... you're a snowflake.

Grandeeod

Alun wrote: »

A handful of extreme cases reported in newspapers and the Twittersphere doesn't mean a whole generation is like that though. Have you ever met anybody like that in the real world?

Yes I have. Lots of them and via work and socialising.

Grandeeod

Grayson wrote: »

You couldn't finish your weetabix and had to go and find someone to validate your opinion..... you're a snowflake.

Seriously, is that the best you can do? I'm so far removed from this so called snowflake thing in terms of age and life experience.

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Pressure on getting a job has never been like this. When you were looking for jobs back in the 50, did you have to go through all the rigmarole of applications, preparing and rehearsing interview answers and attend several rounds if interviews before getting a job? That's what lots of young people do now. But it's different from the past which, some older folks think invalidates it somewhat.



I'm older than the ones were discussing.

If the young ones of today are in the same boat as you were for all theose years between the 50s-70s, why all the whining about the young ones now? Why is the urge to kick them in the guts, so strong in the older folks?

Things were much worse - knowing that no matter how talented you were you were never going to get a vast amount of jobs simply because you did not 'pass the blood test' or had no connections . Post Office, ESB , Aer Lingus ,RTE , and on on on

The biggest joke of all was the warning on every job ad 'canvassing will disqualify' - the reverse was true , if you weren't connected - no chance.

I remember years and years ago reading a piece by Eamonn McCann about him walking past Derry City Hall and knowing he had no chance ever of working there and how it burned . Always resonated - it was the exact same for a lot of us re ESB ALT etc , particularly if the address was not right .

And the funny thing is they weren't even great jobs but in a lot of places they were the only jobs . That is why the American multinationals were such an eye opener - god bless em . Get in there at the very bottom and by hard graft one could go right to the top . Such an eye opener .

People today don't realize that until about 1965 the ROI was effectively a failed state for most of its citizens .

And the whining from old folk about young folk is simply not true - the internet or the headline writers are not society . We are parents and grandparents , do you think we are rooting for our kids to fail .

Anyway I am rambling at this stage - must be another senior moment .

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

Anyway I am rambling at this stage - must be another senior moment .

The only senior moment us that you're missing the fact that the problems have changed form. Sone problems don't exist anymore which you see as a good thing. And you don't understand the new problems to you discount them. The modern world must look rosey from your perspective. I envy you that.

Ulysses Gaze

On the point brought up about job interviews, no-one should have to do a 3/4 stage interview process to get a job these days.

It's ridiculous and a complete waste of time and resources for the company that is hiring. As well as the candidate.

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The only senior moment us that you're missing the fact that the problems have changed form. Sone problems don't exist anymore which you see as a good thing. And you don't understand the new problems to you discount them. The modern world must look rosey from your perspective. I envy you that.

So you have gone from accusing us of being smug and unaware to one of being just clueless !

Give me an example of some of these new problems that you assume I don't understand or I don't know exist .

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

So you have gone from accusing us of being smug and unaware to one of being just clueless !

Those things aren't exclusive. I was referring to the people to whom the label applied. You appear to have identified with it.

marienbad wrote:

Give me an example of some of these new problems that you assume I don't understand or I don't know exist .

Ask the bambinos.

A few people have banged on about how their grandfather worked down the fish mines from the time he was a sperm. Back-breaking work for a machine let alone a boy. And he never complained. Not like the snowflakes of today.

How do these people know about the jobs their grandparents did? Maybe they asked grandad. Have you ever had a chat with a young person of today about the jobs they compete for?

My own mother doesn't have a clue what I do as a career. Sometimes she asks and then her eyes glazes over when I tell her. Mainly because she's retired and doesn't realky give a toss what other people do.

It's easy to criticise those who are out fighting for jobs when you don't have to worry about it for yourself.

Go ask a person under 20 what their problems are. Half of them will be things we all whinged about when we were young. Half of them you'll probably dismiss as trivial because you won't understand them.

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Those things aren't exclusive. I was referring to the people to whom the label applied. You appear to have identified with it.



Ask the bambinos.

A few people have banged on about how their grandfather worked down the fish mines from the time he was a sperm. Back-breaking work for a machine let alone a boy. And he never complained. Not like the snowflakes of today.

How do these people know about the jobs their grandparents did? Maybe they asked grandad. Have you ever had a chat with a young person of today about the jobs they compete for?

My own mother doesn't have a clue what I do as a career. Sometimes she asks and then her eyes glazes over when I tell her. Mainly because she's retired and doesn't realky give a toss what other people do.

It's easy to criticise those who are out fighting for jobs when you don't have to worry about it for yourself.

Go ask a person under 20 what their problems are. Half of them will be things we all whinged about when we were young. Half of them you'll probably dismiss as trivial because you won't understand them.

What a presumptions and condescending post !

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

What a presumptions and condescending post !

Not going to speak with the people you're happy to make pronouncements about? Jeez the kids have a lot to learn from you alright.

Maybe they're as well doing it their own way

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not going to speak with the people you're happy to make pronouncements about? Jeez the kids have a lot to learn from you alright.

Maybe they're as well doing it their own way

You really should read posts before replying , I have not made one adverse comment about the so called 'snowflake generation '

As for speaking with them , I do it night and day .

Have you anything of substance to say or is it just off the cuff insults ?

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

As for speaking with them , I do it night and day .

You're keeping yourself busy. That's good or so I hear.

Must have it all sussed at this stage in the game

steddyeddy

It is ridiculous to say that life hasn't got substantially easier in the last few decades. Just compare the eighties to now to use one example. Less chance to go to uni, less chance of getting jobs and the civil service was an extended family.

TallyRand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The only senior moment us that you're missing the fact that the problems have changed form. Sone problems don't exist anymore which you see as a good thing. And you don't understand the new problems to you discount them. The modern world must look rosey from your perspective. I envy you that.

I genuinely think you have resentment / anger issues with the older generation possibly with your own mother by your description of her eyes glazing over when describing your job.

Look we all have our baggage and pain to some extent but to compare working on the docks at 13 years of age to having to do three rounds of interviews is just off the wall.

And I'm 31 btw

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You're keeping yourself busy. That's good or so I hear.

Must have it all sussed at this stage in the game

You don't handle disagreement very well do you ? Best leave it there .

TallyRand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You're keeping yourself busy. That's good or so I hear.

Must have it all sussed at this stage in the game

Well you obviously have it all sussed, your single handledly making the case to prove the snowflake generation exists.

El_Duderino 09

TallyRand wrote:

I genuinely think you have resentment / anger issues with the older generation possibly with your own mother by your description of her eyes glazing over when describing your job.

Cheers Sigmund.

TallyRand wrote:

Look we all have our baggage and pain to some extent but to compare working on the docks at 13 years of age to having to do three rounds of interviews is just off the wall.

The problems change firm they don't just disappear. Grandad gets to air Gus grievance and gets kudos for never complaining - even while complaining decades after the fact. Young people of today complain about the problems they have at the time and it's written off as snowflake stuff. Now that's interesting.

El_Duderino 09

TallyRand wrote:

Well you obviously have it all sussed, your single handledly making the case to prove the snowflake generation exists.

I'm older than that. Unless you're using snowflake to mean people you don't agree with. That's just dull though.

It winds my up the way everyone feels free to give the young people of today a kick in the crotch. 'My generation had real problems, not like the young people if today', said smugly by every generation ever as if it was meaningful

TallyRand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Cheers Sigmund.



The problems change firm they don't just disappear. Grandad gets to air Gus grievance and gets kudos for never complaining - even while complaining decades after the fact. Young people of today complain about the problems they have at the time and it's written off as snowflake stuff. Now that's interesting.

Who's complaining? This is something you must have personal feelings about that I can't agree with you at all on, I actually think most people look back with rose tinted glasses on their conditions and comfort levels in life etc

Also I don't remember hearing generation snowflake in the 90's early 00's. Perhaps coincidentally I dont remember hearing SJW, safe spaces, 101 types of gender either.

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

You don't handle disagreement very well do you ? Best leave it there .

Righty-o. It'll leave more time to regale the young people about hardship in the fish mines.

That'll keep them away from the SpaceBooks for a few minutes

TallyRand

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm older than that. Unless you're using snowflake to mean people you don't agree with. That's just dull though.

It winds my up the way everyone feels free to give the young people of today a kick in the crotch. 'My generation had real problems, not like the young people if today', said smugly by every generation ever as if it was meaningful

I think your the only person who sounds smug on this thread. As someone already mention this is the best time in the history of mankind to be a youth and be whatever you want to be.

You do know what 18yo's a hundred years where doing in the trenches don't you? No time to be offended as you seem to be when your get a nice lungful of mustard gas

El_Duderino 09

TallyRand wrote:

I think your the only person who sounds smug on this thread. As someone already mention this is the best time in the history of mankind to be a youth and be whatever you want to be.

This is probably the best time to be a child. And if you only look through the prism of what was important to you when you were a child, then you can discount all and any new problems those children face today.

Definitely no need to look at the choices made by the generation before the children of the day. That approach might end up finding fault with the older folks. Can't have that.

TallyRand wrote:

You do know what 18yo's a hundred years where doing in the trenches don't you? No time to be offended as you seem to be when your get a nice lungful of mustard gas

Well it looks like you found the solution for snowflakes. A traumatic baptism of fire should sort it out.

El_Duderino 09

TallyRand wrote:

Who's complaining? This is something you must have personal feelings about that I can't agree with you at all on, I actually think most people look back with rose tinted glasses on their conditions and comfort levels in life etc

This whole thread is for older people to complain about young people.

The people complaining about the young people of today are doing it from behind rose tinted glasses. The notion that nobody complained in the olden days should be ridiculous, even to a fool.

TallyRand wrote:

Also I don't remember hearing generation snowflake in the 90's early 00's. Perhaps coincidentally I dont remember hearing SJW, safe spaces, 101 types of gender either.

Those are modern terms. Why would you gave heard them back in the 90s or early 00?

Do you think the gender stuff started with this generation? I suppose you think people turned gay after the referendum too?

steddyeddy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

This whole thread is for older people to complain about young people.

The people complaining about the young people of today are doing it from behind rose tinted glasses. The notion that nobody complained in the olden days should be ridiculous, even to a fool.



Those are modern terms. Why would you gave heard them back in the 90s or early 00?

Do you think the gender stuff started with this generation? I suppose you think people turned gay after the referendum too?

Yes duderino people were gay and transgender all the way back into antiquity, but they're accepted far more in this day and age than they ever were.

El_Duderino 09

steddyeddy wrote:

Yes duderino people were gay and transgender all the way back into antiquity, but they're accepted far more in this day and age than they ever were.

That's my opinion. That's why I was asking about the other poster's opinion. They brought it up as if transgender had something to do with their dreaded snowflake generation

Irish Guitarist

This 'generation snowflake' shite is usually young people talking about slightly younger people. "Things were much better in the good old days, which was around about 2005". I think they miss the halcyon days of Nuts and Heat magazine and happy slapping or something.

AnGaelach

Rainman16 wrote: »

Do you guys think this is an accurate description of young people today? or is it unfair?

I don't think they're any more or less likely to be soft than previous generations, there's just fewer people willing to call them out on being morons and thanks to social media and the like, you hear of them more often.

Thankfully they're usually holed up in safe spaces or getting in battles on Twitter, so you don't see much of them in real life.

elefant

What I'm getting from this thread:

Everyone blames everyone else.

One thing for sure, the term 'Snowflake' is an objectively insulting term, suggesting that someone is overly sensitive and weak. Using the term at all to describe a person's character, let alone to describe the characters of billions of people around the world, does nothing but stifle actual debate.

Someone needs to perpetuate a new Godwin-esque Rule: labelling someone a snowflake means you automatically lose an argument. At the very least, it automatically confirms you're a tool.