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Wasps vs Connacht 11/12/2016 1pm on Sky Sports 2

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    #242
    irishbucsfan
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    Wasps play Newcastle after Bath. The Bath game is on Christmas Eve. I'd say they're most likely to play their strongest team against Connacht and Bath and then give a few players a rest for Newcastle (which also means a rest between Christmas day and New Years)


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    #243
    its_phil
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    connachta wrote: »
    Wasps are focused on a crucial Bath game the week after.

    No they're not.


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    #244
    KBurke85
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    connachta wrote: »
    No. Nothing in France i'm ready to bet on that. We need 5 points this Sat. It's feasable. Wasps are focused on a crucial Bath game the week after.

    So apparently it's feasible for us to take 5 points this Saturday but you believe we'll get nothing in France. Surely if it feasible to get 5 points from Wasps the same squad should be capable of getting something in France against a team we've already beaten once this season when we were deprived of two thirds of our starting front row.


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    #245
    typhoony
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    you'd think they would be coming over to win to ensure that have the highest points total moving onto the next stage


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    #246
    connachta
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    its_phil wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Wasps are focused on a crucial Bath game the week after.

    No they're not.
    Of course they are. Decider in their season. Connacht game is not. They just have to beat Toulouse at home to top the pool, which I dare say, is easier than Connacht away.
    Look I don't say they'll throw away that game. Just that it has not the same "mental intensity" not as much at stake as we have


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    #247
    thomond2006
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    connachta wrote: »
    Of course they are. Decider in their season. Connacht game is not. They just have to beat Toulouse at home to top the pool, which I dare say, is easier than Connacht away.
    Look I don't say they'll throw away that game. Just that it has not the same "mental intensity" not as much at stake as we have

    Decider in the middle of a 22 game season. What are you on about?!


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    #248
    Lake1989
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    connachta wrote: »
    Of course they are. Decider in their season. Connacht game is not. They just have to beat Toulouse at home to top the pool, which I dare say, is easier than Connacht away.
    Look I don't say they'll throw away that game. Just that it has not the same "mental intensity" not as much at stake as we have

    Wasps will be looking for the best possible seeding for the QF. They are 2nd in the AP. One game v Bath shouldnt define the season for thembut one game in a group of 6 could have a bigger impact. They also have a game with zebre in January to rest some players should they choose to


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    #249
    connachta
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    KBurke85 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    No. Nothing in France i'm ready to bet on that. We need 5 points this Sat. It's feasable. Wasps are focused on a crucial Bath game the week after.

    So apparently it's feasible for us to take 5 points this Saturday but you believe we'll get nothing in France. Surely if it feasible to get 5 points from Wasps the same squad should be capable of getting something in France against a team we've already beaten once this season when we were deprived of two thirds of our starting front row.
    I do think Connacht will conceed 5 points away against bigger team, just as yesterday showed it.
    And I do think at the same time Connacht are able to score 4 tries Home against anyone. Ulster showed it.
    Yes I keep firmly this position


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    #250
    connachta
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Of course they are. Decider in their season. Connacht game is not. They just have to beat Toulouse at home to top the pool, which I dare say, is easier than Connacht away.
    Look I don't say they'll throw away that game. Just that it has not the same "mental intensity" not as much at stake as we have

    Decider in the middle of a 22 game season. What are you on about?!
    Of FFS 8-pointer is a word created for no reason? All right...


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    #251
    connachta
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    Lake1989 wrote: »
    They also have a game with zebre in January to rest some players should they choose to
    They won't rest anyone. And they can win. They just have less at stake than what they have the week after.
    They did the job, that the "good" point of having let them 5 points.


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    #252
    Lake1989
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    connachta wrote: »
    They won't rest anyone. And they can win. They just have less at stake than what they have the week after.
    They did the job, that the "good" point of having let them 5 points.

    They play zebre last. If they win their next two games they can probably sent their 2nd string to zebre. Wasps take the ERCC seriously so I dont think they will lack for anything this saturday

    http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/toulouse-vs-wasps/80071


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    #253
    Bridge93
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    connachta wrote: »
    Of FFS 8-pointer is a word created for no reason? All right...

    If Connacht beat wasps this week by more than 7 than the group is out of Wasps hands. They won't assume Connacht will lose down in France and as such will be out to ensure the group is theirs to lose. This is much more of an 8 pointer than bath


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    #254
    .ak
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    Buer wrote: »
    Only seen the highlights now.

    What the hell happened there? Was literally nobody 2-3m either side of him when he went through the gap despite Connacht having numbers.

    I'd still say Connacht have a decent change of progressing but it's essential they win next week now. 5 points against Zebre and a LBP in France could be enough. It's a long shot but gotta hope.

    Defenders started on the outside of their men. You're supposed to defend inside out (except the winger/last man). That's a brilliant example why... you end up switching onto the inside man too much because you don't trust the inside man, two players bit on Beale and left a massive gap for anyone to walk through.


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    #255
    connachta
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Of FFS 8-pointer is a word created for no reason? All right...

    If Connacht beat wasps this week by more than 7 than the group is out of Wasps hands. They won't assume Connacht will lose down in France and as such will be out to ensure the group is theirs to lose. This is much more of an 8 pointer than bath
    Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
    100 quids on that, even 100 Euros
    Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better


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    #256
    Bridge93
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    connachta wrote: »
    Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
    100 quids on that
    Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better

    They may not. But a professional sports team aren't going to leave the door open for a shock to ruin their season.


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    #257
    connachta
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
    100 quids on that
    Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better

    They may not. But a professional sports team aren't going to leave the door open for a shock to ruin their season.
    that's why they won't rest any players BUT will consider it still less decisive than the Bath home game


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    #258
    Bazzo
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    connachta wrote: »
    I do think Connacht will conceed 5 points away against bigger team, just as yesterday showed it.
    And I do think at the same time Connacht are able to score 4 tries Home against anyone. Ulster showed it.
    Yes I keep firmly this position

    The game this weekend showed it? The game against one of the best sides in England(Europe?) which was neck and neck for 60 minutes despite the fact that we were playing without a line-out or a goal kicker?


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    #259
    Lake1989
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    connachta wrote: »
    that's why they won't rest any players BUT will consider it still less decisive than the Bath home game

    says who? Wasps take the ERCC seriously. One game in a 6 match pool could make or break their season. They arent Relying on a connacht defeat in france to scrape through as it could mean an away QF. Thats a huge impact on their season and finances


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    #260
    ClanofLams
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    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.


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    #261
    Bazzo
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.

    That was very annoying but the fans were sound.


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    #262
    irishbucsfan
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.

    Leinster fans will remember the Leinster v London Irish game in 2010

    The announcer (who was still their announcer last I was in Reading) kept shouting "Come on you Irish" over the tannoy during the game! When they were playing an Irish team!


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    #263
    ClanofLams
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    That was very annoying but the fans were sound.

    Agreed. It shouldn't be allowed though, one stage he was doing it when McCartney was throwing a ball in, it was ridiculous.


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    #264
    connachta
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    I do think Connacht will conceed 5 points away against bigger team, just as yesterday showed it.
    And I do think at the same time Connacht are able to score 4 tries Home against anyone. Ulster showed it.
    Yes I keep firmly this position

    The game this weekend showed it? The game against one of the best sides in England(Europe?) which was neck and neck for 60 minutes despite the fact that we were playing without a line-out or a goal kicker?
    So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!


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    #265
    Bazzo
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    connachta wrote: »
    So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

    I'm saying that if we can stay in a game against one of the best in Europe for 60 minutes while missing 2 crucial elements to our game then it's rididculous to use that same game to surmise that any away game against a big European side will have a 5-0 result for us.


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    #266
    ClanofLams
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    This is irrelevant. Connacht will focus on getting 4 points, if an opportunity comes for a bp, well and good. Wasps are a lot better than Toulouse though. Connacht are well capable of giving Toulouse a run for their money in France especially with a good scrum.


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    #267
    connachta
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    This is irrelevant. Connacht will focus on getting 4 points, if an opportunity comes for a bp, well and good. Wasps are a lot better than Toulouse though. Connacht are well capable of giving Toulouse a run for their money in France especially with a good scrum.
    Sorry? Toulouse give us a beating at scrum!  Even with Buckley back, I doubt they are so worse than Wasps


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    #268
    Lake1989
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    connachta wrote: »
    So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

    Toulouse 20-20 Wasps

    About an hour in yesterday Carty missed a kick to make it Wasps 20-20 Connacht.

    Connacht absolutely are capable of winning in Toulouse. Toulouse lose at Wasps with no BP and they can get to 18 points max in the group. So maybe they might not be that invested in the last game. Do Wasps want to take that chance? I think they will 100% want to keep it in their own hands this saturday.


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    #269
    connachta
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

    I'm saying that if we can stay in a game against one of the best in Europe for 60 minutes while missing 2 crucial elements to our game then it's rididculous to use that same game to surmise that any away game against a big European side will have a 5-0 result for us.
    We will still miss BoShoff and Ronaldson for Toulouse in January. And it could be worse, we were pretty close to full-strenght yesterday. More then we ever had


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    #270
    ClanofLams
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    connachta wrote: »
    Sorry? Toulouse give us a beating at scrum!  Even with Buckley back, I doubt they are so worse than Wasps

    Yes my point was that we will hopefully have a stronger front row than the first fixture and hopefully not concede so many penalties, not that we would beat Toulouse there.

    Toulouse aren't one of the best teams in Europe in my opinion. They are reliant on a big pack to dominate and haven't much of a plan beyond that. Get close to parity up front and no reason Connacht can't give them a right game.

    This is all irrelevant for the time being, job for Connacht is to get four points this Saturday.


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    #271
    connachta
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    Lake1989 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

    Toulouse 20-20 Wasps

    About an hour in yesterday Carty missed a kick to make it Wasps 20-20 Connacht.

    Connacht absolutely are capable of winning in Toulouse. Toulouse lose at Wasps with no BP and they can get to 18 points max in the group. So maybe they might not be that invested in the last game. Do Wasps want to take that chance? I think they will 100% want to keep it in their own hands this saturday.
    18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
    Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
    Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

    EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble" :D


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