Why Irish language still exists?

Johnboner

Latin is more useful than Irish yet it is taught in schools. How about teaching the kids something useful like French or German talking about mandatory Irish in schools. Our government institutions at its finest again. Should listen to what a smart man once said. "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of humanity." - Albert Einstein

BabyE

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

Birneybau

Why not? Its part of our identity, saying that as someone who barely has a cupla focal.

But yeah, should be completely optional as part of the curriculum.

Johnboner

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

More valuable than mandatory Irish which almost nobody speaks.

tomwaterford

Johnboner wrote: »

More valuable than mandatory Irish which almost nobody speaks.

I think irish is kind of cool and would love to be able to speak it....but can barely master english

feargale

Johnboner wrote: »

Latin is more useful than Irish yet it is taught in schools. How about teaching the kids something useful like French or German talking about mandatory Irish in schools. Our government institutions at its finest again. Should listen to what a smart man once said. "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of humanity." - Albert Einstein

You're new here. This topic opens a new thread about once a month. Say, why don't you save yourself alot of intellectual sweat and read those threads?

Bonne chance. Viel gluck. Go n-eiri an bothar leat. Bona fortuna vobis.

FortySeven

Quite simply, because it is funded. Take away the funding and it will be gone in a generation.

Anyway, what would the lads and lasses do at TG4?

Damien360

Birneybau wrote: »

Why not? Its part of our identity, saying that as someone who barely has a cupla focal.

That would be fine but my 2 kids are learning the exact same way I was taught it years ago and they are growing a hatred of it already. I have a little bit of my Irish back from watching my kids struggle with it.

Why do the Welsh have a love of their language. How is it taught and can we learn from that. Irish was driven into me and most of us for 14 years and I speak more French and German from my 5 years secondary and more again from visiting the places.

Teach conversational Irish in school. If you want perfect Irish then you decide to go further in your studies at third level. Then we might see a change of attitude to the language.

osarusan

feargale wrote: »

You're new here.

Unlikely.

FortySeven

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

Chinese is very valuable. As is Japanese or Korean.

Australian could be useful but I believe it's a difficult one to master.

Omackeral

Johnboner wrote: »

Latin is more useful than Irish yet it is taught in schools. [Sounds like you're saying Latin is taught in schools here, to be honest.] How about teaching the kids something useful like French or German talking about mandatory Irish in schools [Can't make any sense of the last part of this sentence/question] Our government institutions at its finest again [Sentence fragment]. Should listen [Who should?] to what a smart man once said ; "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of humanity."

Apart from butchering the title, your paragraph is a complete butchering of the English language. Maybe you could brush up on that before pining for a spot of Latin. EXCELSIOR!

The_Valeyard

Ffs


Are you playing the how many threads can I start game?

We have ways for people like you.....

Ask Kneemos

tomwaterford

FortySeven wrote: »

Chinese is very valuable. As is Japanese or Korean.

Australian could be useful but I believe it's a difficult one to master.

They speak English in Australia

Johnboner

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ffs


Are you playing the how many threads can I start game?

We have ways for people like you.....

Ask Kneemos

Didn't know it was illegal to start a thread which I want to know about especially in the after hours section.

Omackeral

tomwaterford wrote: »

They speak English in Australia

Yes but drunker.

Grayson

Why Irish language still exists?


Because we haven't mastered English yet.

Birneybau

FortySeven wrote: »

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

Chinese is very valuable. As is Japanese or Korean.

Australian could be useful but I believe it's a difficult one to master.

To speak Australian, all one must do is make every statement sound like a question. Like this?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Johnboner wrote: »

Latin is more useful than Irish yet it is taught in schools. How about teaching the kids something useful like French or German talking about mandatory Irish in schools. Our government institutions at its finest again. Should listen to what a smart man once said. "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of humanity." - Albert Einstein

Ok I get it new. New member (!) with thread after thread complaining about or demeaning Ireland.

Blah..culture..... blah...heritage.... birth right..... blah blah..... identity.... blah blah.


Sure we've all measles and we're fine.

feargale

Birneybau wrote: »

To speak Australian, all one must do is make every statement sound like a question. Like this?

Ah feck it, you only thought you were listening to Australian. T'was Swedish!

FortySeven

What I would really like to know is would it be possible to get an abortion in an Ireland that was run by the British if you turned up speaking irish?

darkpagandeath

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

Anyone I know from Europe says if they cant speak the same language or it's pigeon they speak English it's the language of business. Plenty of colleges from the Nordics say they hold important meeting generally in English if you have a few diff nationalities. Far from not important.

buried

Fahkin drunk Alf Garnett up in here m8 " it aiiinnnt a fahkin laaaanguuuwige tho is it"

Birneybau

FortySeven wrote: »

What I would really like to know is would it be possible to get an abortion in an Ireland that was run by the British if you turned up speaking irish?

Zzz. Unless this is a meta commentary on After Hours. If so, accept that previous Zzz as Bravo.

Omackeral

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

French and German are hardly useless! Learning a foreign language certainly isn't pointless but I know what you're getting at, it's that we (and the Brits) aren't ever bothered to learn any. When we go away, we expect English spoken to us but when foreign visitors come here, we won't be accommodating them linguistically, not a hope in hell! When I'm away, I'll always make an effort even if it's just something small like learning how to order your meals or drinks in the host country's native tongue. I find you get great service and they appreciate it a lot. In September just gone, I got free rental of a child's car seat just because I asked for it in Spanish.

As an aside, it's so ridiculous to see the exaggerated figures for people claiming to be able to speak Irish on the census. Lying f*cks!

Berserker

Not a fan of it myself. Give people the option to learn it if they want to but don't force it on people. Would love to see a poll indicating whether people think that it should be compulsory versus optional in school.

Permabear

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wakka12

Irish is a beautiful language that we should take pride in, why should everything we do be about functionality and practicality

Beanntraigheach

Johnboner wrote: »

Latin is more useful than Irish yet it is taught in schools. How about teaching the kids something useful like French or German talking about mandatory Irish in schools. Our government institutions at its finest again. Should listen to what a smart man once said. "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of humanity." - Albert Einstein

You're on a roll tonight, Johnny. What's next?
Some suggestions:
"Are the Irish the ugliest people in the world?"
"Gaelic Games should be banned!"
"Why do the Irish smell like used nappies?"
"Would the world be better off if Ireland was just blown up?"

feargale

Omackeral wrote: »

When I'm away, I'll always make an effort even if it's just something small like learning how to order your meals or drinks in the host country's native tongue. I find you get great service and they appreciate it a lot. In September just gone, I got free rental of a child's car seat just because I asked for it in Spanish.

Did you try doing likewise in Ring, Inishmaan or Falcarragh? You could get a free currach.

Omackeral wrote: »

As an aside, it's so ridiculous to see the exaggerated figures for people claiming to be able to speak Irish on the census. Lying f*cks!

Cuir Gaeilge air sin.

Collie D

Permabear wrote: »

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Handy for the auld fortnight in ancient Rome

jimbobaloobob

To understand why its taught in schools you would have to examine the history of Education in Ireland and see how it has evolved to what it is today.

Johnboner

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

You're on a roll tonight, Johnny. What's next?
Some suggestions:
"Are the Irish the ugliest people in the world?"
"Gaelic Games should be banned!"
"Why do the Irish smell like used nappies?"
"Would the world be better off if Ireland was just blown up?"

Thank you, I will take these into consideration

buried

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

You're on a roll tonight, Johnny. What's next?
Some suggestions:
"Are the Irish the ugliest people in the world?"
"Gaelic Games should be banned!"
"Why do the Irish smell like used nappies?"
"Would the world be better off if Ireland was just blown up?"

"Kristallnacht that Gaeltacht"

Omackeral

feargale wrote: »

Did you try doing likewise in Ring, Inishmaan or Falcarragh? You could get a free currach.



Cuir Gaeilge air sin.

I'd gladly give it a go in any Irish speaking place definitely. I'd consider myself semi-fluent I suppose, I could hold a conversation but wouldn't be absolutely flying along at the rate I do when speaking English. My girlfriend is fluent and sometimes we'd converse through Irish just to keep the rust off.

dr.fuzzenstein

BabyE wrote: »

French and German aren't useful, learning a foreign language unless that second language is English is not particularly valuable.

Yes, if you're out in dem fordeign parts and they're pretending not to understand you JUST SPEAK SLOOOOWER AND LOUUUDER!!!
And make sure you complain that you can't get a decent fry up and where's the nearest Irish pub.

darkpagandeath

wakka12 wrote: »

Irish is a beautiful language that we should take pride in, why should everything we do be about functionality and practicality

I'm sure Cornish was for example. No one said Irish was not. Languagues die all the time. Humans have used the most common form of comunication. Languages come and go.

Birneybau

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

You're on a roll tonight, Johnny. What's next?
Some suggestions:
"Are the Irish the ugliest people in the world?"
"Gaelic Games should be banned!"
"Why do the Irish smell like used nappies?"
"Would the world be better off if Ireland was just blown up?"

See A.H. right now. Dirty Dingus Magee has taken the initiative.

FortySeven

I worked with folks who spoke Irish. It's funny listening to the peppering of English every few seconds to describe all the modern things they dont have words for.

wakka12

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm sure Cornish was for example. No one said Irish was not. Languagues die all the time. Humans have used the most common form of comunication. Languages come and go.

And architectural fashions come and go too, does that mean we should knock all our georgian architecture just because it no longer is fit for modern purpose. Language is heritage just like this

pragmatic1

It's one of the ten oldest living languages in the world, it's an integral part of our culture and it fascinates tourists, it's easier to learn additional languages when you're bilingual.

Also, Irish nationalism differs from other forms of nationalism in that it isn't based on denigrating others.

Carlos Orange

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Also, Irish nationalism differs from other forms of nationalism in that it isn't based on denigrating others.

Irish nationalism better than other peoples nationalism.

ted1

FortySeven wrote: »

Chinese is very valuable. As is Japanese or Korean.

Australian could be useful but I believe it's a difficult one to master.

Chinese or mandarin ?

pragmatic1

psinno wrote: »

Irish nationalism better than other peoples nationalism.

It doesn't have the same far right connotations as nationalism from other countries.

Berserker

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It's one of the ten oldest living languages in the world, it's an integral part of our culture and it fascinates tourists, it's easier to learn additional languages when you're bilingual.

Been living in the RoI for 25 years and I can't remember ever hearing the language being spoken outside the walls of the school. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's right to keep shoving it down people's throats in schools. That time could be used to teach them countless other skills that they will actually need in their daily lives.

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Also, Irish nationalism differs from other forms of nationalism in that it isn't based on denigrating others.

Yes, Irish nationalism is great if you are white, Catholic and Irish. Not much equality otherwise ....

ted1

Damien360 wrote: »

That would be fine but my 2 kids are learning the exact same way I was taught it years ago and they are growing a hatred of it already. I have a little bit of my Irish back from watching my kids struggle with it.

Why do the Welsh have a love of their language. How is it taught and can we learn from that. Irish was driven into me and most of us for 14 years and I speak more French and German from my 5 years secondary and more again from visiting the places.

Teach conversational Irish in school. If you want perfect Irish then you decide to go further in your studies at third level. Then we might see a change of attitude to the language.

My kids go to a gaelscoil, and learnt to be pretty fluent within junior infants and stilll managed to do all the other subjects that kids in English speaking schools do. immersion is in the only way to truly learn a language, the current version of listing of liom, Lear, leis , lei doesn't work.

Iwasfrozen

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It's one of the ten oldest living languages in the world, it's an integral part of our culture and it fascinates tourists, it's easier to learn additional languages when you're bilingual.

Also, Irish nationalism differs from other forms of nationalism in that it isn't based on denigrating others.

Wut? All living languages are as old as each other. What are you talking about?

pragmatic1

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wut? All living languages are as old as each other. What are you talking about?

That makes absolutely no sense.

FortySeven

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wut? All living languages are as old as each other. What are you talking about?

That's what they tell the eu for the heritage grant money.

Iwasfrozen

ted1 wrote: »

Damien360 wrote: »

That would be fine but my 2 kids are learning the exact same way I was taught it years ago and they are growing a hatred of it already. I have a little bit of my Irish back from watching my kids struggle with it.

Why do the Welsh have a love of their language. How is it taught and can we learn from that. Irish was driven into me and most of us for 14 years and I speak more French and German from my 5 years secondary and more again from visiting the places.

Teach conversational Irish in school. If you want perfect Irish then you decide to go further in your studies at third level. Then we might see a change of attitude to the language.

My kids go to a gaelscoil, and learnt to be pretty fluent within junior infants and stilll managed to do all the other subjects that kids in English speaking schools do. immersion is in the only way to truly learn a language, the current version of listing of liom, Lear, leis , lei doesn't work.

This makes me cringe. No your kids were not "fluent" in infancy. Unless they had native speakers as teachers there's a fair chance your kids did not even leave the school with fluency in sixth class.

Iwasfrozen

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wut? All living languages are as old as each other. What are you talking about?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Please do elaborate why you think what I wrote makes no sense.

FortySeven

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

This makes me cringe. No your kids were not "fluent" in infancy. Unless they had native speakers as teachers there's a fair chance your kids did not even leave the school with fluency in sixth class.

How can anyone be fluent in a language that doesn't even have words for modern things? We have the same scourge here in Scotland where 1000 or so people pretend they speak Gaelic to be fashionable and all importantly, get money.