Nicola Sturgeon getting the red carpet treatment.

FortySeven

First leader of a nation to get to speak to the Senate. Whisked around Dublin in a motorcade Obama would be proud of. Lots of talk of independence and the similarities of the Scots and Irish with a nudge and a wink. (Ah, sure, don't we all hate the English?)

Seems a bit odd, they even rolled out old mikey d.

A Celtic pact against the brexit breakaways of England and Wales?

The_Valeyard

The confederation of Ireland & Scotland?

Ferrari3600

FortySeven wrote: »

First leader of a nation to get to speak to the Senate. Whisked around Dublin in a motorcade Obama would be proud of. Lots of talk of independence and the similarities of the Scots and Irish with a nudge and a wink. (Ah, sure, don't we all hate the English?)

Seems a bit odd, they even rolled out old mikey d.

A Celtic pact against the brexit breakaways of England and Wales?

Clever politics, tbh.

failinis

https://twitter.com/AllHandsOnDex/status/803643633664561152

prinzeugen

FortySeven wrote: »

First leader of a nation to get to speak to the Senate.

Leader of a nation?

She is the leader of a regional government. Bit like the governor of Texas or some other place.

Arghus

She wants what we want, so we'll treat her real nice.

RayM

I dunno, there's definitely something fishy about her...

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

She's nae oil painting.

maudgonner

Can't believe nobody has made the joke about her getting the red carpet treatment to match the drapes.

This is AH dammit, not the Politics Café!

Dr Crayfish

I think she comes across really well and I hope she does what's right for Scotland. Maybe we're buttering her up with all the pomp as it might encourage her to push independence even more for Scotland and perhaps throw a spanner in the works of Brexit? Funny, I saw 2 motorcades for her in the last 2 days, and then I saw another one for some dude in what looked like Arab dress earlier at St Stephen's Green.

ted1

prinzeugen wrote: »

Leader of a nation?

She is the leader of a regional government. Bit like the governor of Texas or some other place.

Are Texas a member country of FIFA?

Are Wales in the 6 NATIONS?

diomed

The "border" moving to the England/Scotland border?

prinzeugen

ted1 wrote: »

Are Texas a member country of FIFA?

Are Wales in the 6 NATIONS?

Is Scotland a member of the UN? Is Scotland a member of the EU. Is Scotland recognized by any country as being a independent sovereign state..

Nope..

FortySeven

prinzeugen wrote: »

Is Scotland a member of the UN? Is Scotland a member of the EU. Is Scotland recognized by any country as being a independent sovereign state..

Nope..

She is the leader of my country. Scotland. We are a country within the United kingdom. It's complicated but I think we can say it is nothing like being a state governor in the US. She has a very good chance of getting independence should brexit carry on the way it is going.

The first national leader to speak at the Senate was actually how it was reported by BBC Scotland. Take what you will from that.

maudgonner

She had a captive audience anyway.

http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3108899/original/?width=630&version=3108899

Beanntraigheach

Hopefully she'll be back someday as Prime Minister,
or "Taoiseach na h-Alba", perhaps

testaccount123

prinzeugen wrote: »

Is Scotland a member of the UN? Is Scotland a member of the EU. Is Scotland recognized by any country as being a independent sovereign state..

Nope..

nation

noun
a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.

Cortina_MK_IV

I suppose she had the caviar.

uck51js9zml2yt

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

I suppose she had the caviar.

I got the joke:D

feargale

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

She's nae oil painting.

That comment is acceptable only when you post a pic of yourself for comparison.

Yamanoto

They should have created a giant mosaic mural of her face on Stephen's Green.

The collage of Sturgeons.

Junkyard Tom

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

Junkyard Tom

Yamanoto wrote: »

They should have created a giant mosaic mural of her face on Stephen's Green..

You'd probably pull the pelvis out of yourself if they'd created a mural of Mrs Windsor's face.

jimmy blevins

There are numerous tenant Farmer's being kicked off their farms by landlords over in Scotland at the moment. It really is a pity land rights haven't been sorted out now they have their own nationalist controlled government.

Ferrari3600

prinzeugen wrote: »

Is Scotland a member of the UN? Is Scotland a member of the EU. Is Scotland recognized by any country as being a independent sovereign state..

Nope..

I think you'll find it is!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJPOVGlEPs

prinzeugen

prinzeugen wrote: »

Leader of a nation?

She is the leader of a regional government. Bit like the governor of Texas or some other place.

That's like saying the leader of the Kurds is not the leader of a nation simply because the Kurds have not got their own state yet. Parnell was acknowledged leader of the Irish nation long before we overthrew the colonial state in most of the country and established an Irish state. And so it is with Scotland... if they have the courage this time. A nation of bottlers so far, alas. Will the ancient nation rise from centuries of bondage and build its own independent state?

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

Not forgetting that Scottish island where the English government tested those glorious chemical weapons to wipe out the German civilian population... but whisht.

Ferrari3600

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

To be serious for a sec...you're right.

Thatcher's close associate, the nonce Peter Morrison, was from the family that own the Isle of Islay.

His sister is a 'lady-in-waiting' for Elizardbreath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Morrison

Ferrari3600

Deleted User wrote: »

Not forgetting that Scottish island where the English government tested those glorious chemical weapons to wipe out the German civilian population... but whisht.

Must admit, that's a new one on me. It just shows you, the victors control the narrative (and that's in no way advocacy for the Nazis).

jimmy blevins

jimmy blevins wrote: »

There are numerous tenant Farmer's being kicked off their farms by landlords over in Scotland at the moment. It really is a pity land rights haven't been sorted out now they have their own nationalist controlled government.

This. 100%. Scotland needs its own Land League to finally sort that longstanding problem out.

Richard Hillman

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I think she comes across really well and I hope she does what's right for Scotland. Maybe we're buttering her up with all the pomp as it might encourage her to push independence even more for Scotland and perhaps throw a spanner in the works of Brexit? Funny, I saw 2 motorcades for her in the last 2 days, and then I saw another one for some dude in what looked like Arab dress earlier at St Stephen's Green.

The ambassador's for Morocco, Turkey and Peru were getting the Presidential treatment this week too.

hytrogen

prinzeugen wrote:

She is the leader of a regional government. Bit like the governor of Texas or some other place.

Like Cork or Kerry perhaps?
Cowboys Ted!

hytrogen

FortySeven wrote:

She is the leader of my country. Scotland. We are a country within the United kingdom. It's complicated but I think we can say it is nothing like being a state governor in the US. She has a very good chance of getting independence should brexit carry on the way it is going.

It's not that complicated, Mel Gibson got drunk & hairy, painted his face blue & white that got chopped off then everyone said a hail Mary, woke up the next morning and realised oh your man in the tights is in charge now.. :P

Yamanoto

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You'd probably pull the pelvis out of yourself if they'd created a mural of Mrs Windsor's face.

Another 3k posts, inevitable name change, and off you'll go all over again.

AGC

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I think she comes across really well and I hope she does what's right for Scotland. Maybe we're buttering her up with all the pomp as it might encourage her to push independence even more for Scotland and perhaps throw a spanner in the works of Brexit? Funny, I saw 2 motorcades for her in the last 2 days, and then I saw another one for some dude in what looked like Arab dress earlier at St Stephen's Green.

3 Ambassador's were presenting credentials so get the full army treatment.

murpho999

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The ambassador's for Morocco, Turkey and Peru were getting the Presidential treatment this week too.

AGC wrote: »

3 Ambassador's were presenting credentials so get the full army treatment.

Do people really think that ambassadors (without apostrophe ) should not be treated correctly?

Galway_Old_Man

Yeah fair play, I like Nicola and all but I think some people are getting a bit too carried away. You'd swear no Scots voted for Brexit the way she's carrying on and polls are consistent in people there not wanting another indy referendum and indeed "Yes" still being beaten by Unionists. It really depends of what form Brexit takes but I don't see an Independent Scotland happening anytime soon. People there seem to like devo-max.

lawred2

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

She's nae oil painting.

relevance?

lawred2

She's a very clever lady

osarusan

She strikes me as a fairly smart and shrewd politician.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

The queen is head of 16 countries ( or thereabouts)
She would still be queen of Scotland

Rawr

murpho999 wrote: »

Do people really think that ambassadors (without apostrophe ) should not be treated correctly?

Only if they remember to bring the Ferrero Rocher. Otherwise, how are supposed to know when we are being truly spoiled?

No chocolates, no army, thems the rules.

topper75

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

They'd just carry on I'd imagine. They keep the property and continue to holiday there as they currently do.

You need to mind that the crowns were unified in 1603, long before the Act of Union in 1707.

You are probably looking at it from the Irish perspective and assume that Scotland will become a republic if independent i.e. after 1922 there was no longer a king of Ireland.

Richard Hillman

murpho999 wrote: »

Do people really think that ambassadors (without apostrophe ) should not be treated correctly?

I wasn't complaining. I was just saying that they met the President in a formal manner. It's on the Presidents twitter feed

Glenster

I think it probably has a lot to do with the proposed SSE investment in windfarms in Cork and Galway. For a couple of 100 million investment, she can address whoever she likes. Its not like the Senate were going to be doing anything important anyway.

A Little Pony

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I think she comes across really well and I hope she does what's right for Scotland. Maybe we're buttering her up with all the pomp as it might encourage her to push independence even more for Scotland and perhaps throw a spanner in the works of Brexit? Funny, I saw 2 motorcades for her in the last 2 days, and then I saw another one for some dude in what looked like Arab dress earlier at St Stephen's Green.

She can't do anything about Brexit. Brext is happening and the UK will most likely leave the single market. A PA give it away a couple of days ago.

JupiterKid

And why not? Sturgeon is one of the most articulate, intelligent and consummate politicians in the UK at present. She has pushed her agenda of what is best for Scotland without being uppity and self-serving. I have to say that I admire her.

I do see her on a collision course with Theresa May over the question of another independence referendum for Scotland.

DEFTLEFTHAND

JupiterKid wrote: »

And why not? Sturgeon is one of the most articulate, intelligent and consummate politicians in the UK at present. She has pushed her agenda of what is best for Scotland without being uppity and self-serving. I have to say that I admire her.

I do see her on a collision course with Theresa May over the question of another independence referendum for Scotland.

Had one two years ago and rejected it. The issue has been put to bed for another generation or two.

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

But where would the Royals go shooting Scottish deer if Scotland became independent? What would happen to the Crown's 37,000 acres, fishing rights and other hard won assets?

Queen Elizabeth 1st of Scotland would probably go to her Scottish estates I guess :rolleyes:

FortySeven

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Had one two years ago and rejected it. The issue has been put to bed for another generation or two.

The issue was put to bed last time because of scaremongering about pensions and jobs disappearing.

Since then there has been a rather large decision taken that changed everything.

Another independence vote is expected. Almost guaranteed if brexit takes place. Depending what England can offer against what the eu can offer will decide it. Sturgeon is canvassing support right now. Ireland will support independence I'd say and will help push Scotland's case in the eu.

DEFTLEFTHAND

FortySeven wrote: »

The issue was put to bed last time because of scaremongering about pensions and jobs disappearing.

Since then there has been a rather large decision taken that changed everything.

Another independence vote is expected. Almost guaranteed if brexit takes place. Depending what England can offer against what the eu can offer will decide it. Sturgeon is canvassing support right now. Ireland will support independence I'd say and will help push Scotland's case in the eu.

Ireland is a minor member, we've no influence.

It's the likes of France and Spain who you'll have to convince. (both currently don't like the idea)

Tbh if the EU experiment disintegrates in the next decade or so I would fully support a Union of Scotland, Wales, Ireland, NI and England.