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  • 29-11-2016 7:35pm
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    Dr Crayfish
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    So walking about town today, well every day as I work there, I noticed the huge increase in the amount of absolute rubbish that's for sale for Christmas. Plastic things, decorations, overly packaged rubbish, just absolutely everywhere.
    Probably 99% of this junk will end up in a land fill within the next few months, so the whole process of creating this nonsense was a waste of resources like oil, plastic, human labour, money etc.
    Millions of turkeys and pigs will be slaughtered and probably only half eaten in this country alone. Just waste everywhere.
    Would this not go against the very idea of Christianity? Splurging on rubbish when we could probably help those in need?
    Christmas is totally unsustainable, as is the current Western lifestyle.
    Do you think we should have some kind of rules on what people can create and try to sell these days? Should food come in no packaging or as little as possible?
    Or are we on a one way journey to sucking every last mineral out of the Earth and polluting everything around us?
    Just ask yourself if you really need every bit of rubbish you're purchasing over the next few weeks - you probably don't, nor does anyone else.


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    The flying mouse
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    Happy Christmas to you to Dr.


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    Dr Crayfish
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    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Happy Christmas to you to Dr.

    Enjoy the 1,056 thanks you'll get for that post. Sigh.


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    eeguy
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    So walking about town today, well every day as I work there, I noticed the huge increase in the amount of absolute rubbish that's for sale for Christmas. Plastic things, decorations, overly packaged rubbish, just absolutely everywhere.
    Probably 99% of this junk will end up in a land fill within the next few months, so the whole process of creating this nonsense was a waste of resources like oil, plastic, human labour, money etc.
    Millions of turkeys and pigs will be slaughtered and probably only half eaten in this country alone. Just waste everywhere.
    Would this not go against the very idea of Christianity? Splurging on rubbish when we could probably help those in need?
    Christmas is totally unsustainable, as is the current Western lifestyle.
    Do you think we should have some kind of rules on what people can create and try to sell these days? Should food come in no packaging or as little as possible?
    Or are we on a one way journey to sucking every last mineral out of the Earth and polluting everything around us?
    Just ask yourself if you really need every bit of rubbish you're purchasing over the next few weeks - you probably don't, nor does anyone else.
    Since when is Christmas about Christianity?
    Can't remember the last time I went to mass


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    ThisRegard
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Christmas is totally unsustainable,

    It's managed over 2,000 years, I think it might be OK.


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    Dr Crayfish
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    eeguy wrote: »
    Since when is Christmas about Christianity?
    Can't remember the last time I went to mass

    Right, but what is it about then? Mass consumerism, i.e. what seems likely to be this civilisation's ultimate downfall?


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    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Capitalism really snuck up on you when you weren't looking, huh? Hate that.

    I agree with the sentiment though.


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    Dr Crayfish
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    Anton Low Stomach wrote: »
    Capitalism really snuck up on you when you weren't looking, huh? Hate that.

    I agree with the sentiment though.

    It's just more rubbish by the day. Euro shops and middle class Euro shops (Tiger) selling absolute rubbish. People on Dragon's Den trying to come up with new rubbish to sell us. The rubbish we already own isn't good enough so we need to upgrade to better rubbish! FFS there must be another way.


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    Olishi4
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    Oh no, not The Stuff!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPDzJ3XVhg


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    Barry Badrinath
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    Have you a tangible and workable solution OP or is this just a bitchfest?


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    The flying mouse
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    These threads come around ,well every year, And yes it is to commercialised and yes people spend to much money on what they don't want , but hey, its Christmas & for most people its a time to celebrate relax & chill.


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    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    It's just more rubbish by the day. Euro shops and middle class Euro shops (Tiger) selling absolute rubbish. People on Dragon's Den trying to come up with new rubbish to sell us. The rubbish we already own isn't good enough so we need to upgrade to better rubbish! FFS there must be another way.

    Well there is, but it involves the words proletariat, means of production etc and really gets people pissed off! Also historically hasn't tended to work out too well at all at all so hey ho here we are, stage four capitalism.


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    Millions of delicious turkeys and pigs will be slaughtered


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    Atoms for Peace
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    William S. Borroughs said it better than anyone:

    "Junk is the ideal product. The ultimate merchandise. No sales talk necessary. The client will crawl through a sewer and beg to buy. The junk merchant does not sell his product to the consumer. He sells the consumer to his product. He does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He degrades and simplifies the client."


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    Grayson
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    The flying mouse wrote: »
    These threads come around ,well every year, And yes it is to commercialised and yes people spend to much money on what they don't want , but hey, its Christmas & for most people its a time to celebrate relax & chill.

    But you can do that without crap. I have loads of xmas decorations. They're all glass baubles that I bought on the cheap on eBay. The same goes for all the decorations for the walls etc. They're stuff that can be reused every year and I add to it bit by bit over time.


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    Dr Crayfish
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    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Have you a tangible and workable solution OP or is this just a bitchfest?

    It's bitchfest to a certain extent. But Yeah. I would bring in EU wide restrictions on packaging and at some stage we'll have to cap production on things that actually need to be made or not. People adapt quickly, look at the plastic bag tax. Ready meals and avocados flown in from Peru are 100% not necessary. Change really needs to happen sooner or later!


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    Dr Crayfish
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    Anton Low Stomach wrote: »
    Well there is, but it involves the words proletariat, means of production etc and really gets people pissed off! Also historically hasn't tended to work out too well at all at all so hey ho here we are, stage four capitalism.

    But aren't we going to have to drastically change our standards of living sooner or later, or else face war and starvation?


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    But aren't we going to have to drastically change our standards of living sooner or later, or else face war and starvation?

    It won't happen before Christmas


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    andekwarhola
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    Anybody started their Christmas shopping yet?


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    humberklog
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Anton Low Stomach wrote: »
    Capitalism really snuck up on you when you weren't looking, huh? Hate that.

    I agree with the sentiment though.

    It's just more rubbish by the day. Euro shops and middle class Euro shops (Tiger) selling absolute rubbish. People on Dragon's Den trying to come up with new rubbish to sell us. The rubbish we already own isn't good enough so we need to upgrade to better rubbish! FFS there must be another way.

    You're not wrong OP but are you measuring it against another time or just a stand alone rant about Christmas goods?

    I'm 46 and if anything the easily perishable and visually offensive tat has got less.
    There's better quality and affordable and durable items on sale now than ever before in my memory.


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    Dr Crayfish
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    humberklog wrote: »
    You're not wrong OP but are you measuring it against another time or just a stand alone rant about Christmas goods?

    I'm 46 and if anything the easily perishable and visually offensive tat has got less.
    There's better quality and affordable and durable items on sale now than ever before in my memory.

    I guess town has been packed lately with people carrying shopping bags so it's got me thinking.
    Currently we seem to be on a manic drive to exploit every place and thing on the Earth as a whole. The amount of resources we're wasting on tat we don't need is alarming.
    I suppose this civilisation will be judged on whether we were able to make the correct decisions as a group, or not. So far it's not looking good.


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    Barry Badrinath
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    It's bitchfest to a certain extent. But Yeah. I would bring in EU wide restrictions on packaging and at some stage we'll have to cap production on things that actually need to be made or not. People adapt quickly, look at the plastic bag tax. Ready meals and avocados flown in from Peru are 100% not necessary. Change really needs to happen sooner or later!

    Reduction on packaging I can agree with. It works with Easter Eggs.

    Capping further production of "stuff"? Jog on buddy.....thats never going to happen. Even the suggestion is ludacris!

    So if I may summise your version of this World.

    No further inventions, upgrades, innovations, improvements or future proofing of any products or services. Literally only buy whatever products can be sourced currently from our land and country and in as little as packaging as possible?

    Am I taking you up wrong here Chief?


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    looksee
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    One of the worst 'stuff' you can buy is plastic bottles of water and other drinks. Reusable plastic bottle, coin op chilled water refill in a city centre arcade/ shop/ whatever...anybody going to try it?


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    The flying mouse
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    Wont anybody think of the turkeys...


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    Dr Crayfish
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    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Wont anybody think of the turkeys...

    Do you want to just put all your pointless comments into one post maybe?


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    The flying mouse
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Do you want to just put all your pointless comments into one post maybe?



    I am trying to keep your thread going before it dies a death... fecking ungrateful teenagers...


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    Fr_Dougal
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    With Helmans, there are no leftovers.


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    drdeadlift
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    op i cant agree with you more.There is so much **** for sale.People continually asking me oh what do you want for xmas....i dont need anything.

    I tihnk going out for a few gargles is all i need,and presents for the kids..


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    Dr Crayfish
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    drdeadlift wrote: »
    op i cant agree with you more.There is so much **** for sale.People continually asking me oh what do you want for xmas....i dont need anything.

    I tihnk going out for a few gargles is all i need,and presents for the kids..

    Ditto. I don't really need anything. I'm from a small family and we're not into Xmas anyway, but I've already told them no rubbish this year! I think I'll get them a hotel stay or restaurant vouchers, I'd quite like that myself actually.


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    Ted111
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Right, but what is it about then? Mass consumerism, i.e. what seems likely to be this civilisation's ultimate downfall?

    Pagan mid winter festival long predates Christianity (which just attached its name and trappings to it) It's meaning was probably the same as today - to the break up the long dark cold winter with a big party in the middle of it.


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    Fuzzytrooper
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    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Mass consumerism

    Priests flogging merchandise? What next?


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