Pope will vist Ireland in 2018(mod warning in Op)

vicwatson

irishfeen wrote: »

I assume there will finally be a public apology for the atrocities of the past and the lives they have destroyed.

If he does fair fcuks to the man - the easy option would be not to come or just release a statement .. if he comes and stands on Irish soil, meets victims and apologises then he deserves credit - given the past history of the Vatican it would be almost unheard of.

He took his time to come to Ireland

Archeron

Pope hats, last of the pope hats. Pope hat there love? only two euro.



The streets will be alive with commerce.

Oops69

The Pope spent 6 days in the US for the festival of families.
So it could be another 6 day visit as the festival ran from Sept 22nd to Sept 27th last year in Philadelphia.[/QUOTE]
if it is that , hopefully he does a full calendar week rather than a bit of two weeks , so I can book a full week out of this country.

Billy86

bubblypop wrote: »

Maybe he's the first to come out & say it in a speech. I was taught by nuns, well over 30 years ago & they & visiting priests all told us that Genesis was a story, a metaphor, for god creating earth. I was taught it wasn't meant to be taken literally, and that science explains evolution.
So clearly the church have accepted evolution a long time ago

Oh yeah I get that most in the church do believe in evolution, but what I mean is having the head if the organisation come out and say it is a whole, whole lot more powerful.

I know it's mainly (all?) protestantism but on the flipside look at the new age creationist nut jobs you find mainly in the US, but it's not as if we have none of them here either.

Arghus

I don't particularly care.

Interesting to see how Enda has given up talking about "the gimlet eyes of canon" these days. Back when he said it I'm sure he envisioned a Mayo All Ireland before we'd next see a visit around here from The Pope.

emo72

im assuming he wont try to sway a possible abortion referendum.

RobertKK

Oops69 wrote: »

The Pope spent 6 days in the US for the festival of families.
So it could be another 6 day visit as the festival ran from Sept 22nd to Sept 27th last year in Philadelphia.

if it is that , hopefully he does a full calendar week rather than a bit of two weeks , so I can book a full week out of this country.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the dates it was a Tuesday to a Sunday.

IamtheWalrus

emo72 wrote: »

im assuming he wont try to sway a possible abortion referendum.

only reason the old meddling fuqer is coming.

padd b1975

PressRun wrote: »

A top to bottom indictment of the crimes committed by members of the Catholic church in this country. And we've had nothing but a half-hearted apology by the people who aided and abetted the trauma inflicted on people like this man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQGczIx6Sg

He blew his whole point to pieces with his "you know me" comment and a knowing look at Noel Dempsey.

They ended up looking like a right pair of FF stroke pullers.

RobertKK

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

only reason the old meddling fuqer is coming.

Wrong, as the Pope attended other world meeting of the family events and Dublin was chosen in 2015 and it was speculated back then the Pope would be coming in 2018.
The announcement today is no surprise.

Some people have abortion on the brain, not saying you, but there is no conspiracy here..

fleet_admiral

I'm sorry. The bar is closed

Capt'n Midnight

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They deliberately kept the place poor too. You can't have a religious iron grip on a place and its people unless there is poverty, lots of poverty.

The church in Ireland secretly had lots of potatoes during the famine, and they hid the potatoes in pillows and sold them abroad in potato fairs. And the Pope closed down a lot of the factories that were makin' the potatoes and turned them into prisons for children.

Jimmy Garlic

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The church in Ireland secretly had lots of potatoes during the famine, and they hid the potatoes in pillows and sold them abroad in potato fairs. And the Pope closed down a lot of the factories that were makin' the potatoes and turned them into prisons for children.

Religion loves lots of poor people, not the poor people themselves. When people are busy living from hand to mouth they are easier prey for the men in the pointy hats. You are right about the famine, the RCC did sweet F all to help, it actually took advantage of the dire situation to grab land, use malnourished people to build their brainwashing centers etc. The poisonous, vile Catholic Church has always been part of the problem since it infected this country.

foggy_lad

Glenster wrote: »

Old people love the church. They eat that whole "heaven" thing up with a spoon. Its cos they fear death, and are stupid.

They look at their grandchildren or their young relatives and think "those bastards in black or brides of Satan won't do to you what they did to me and your grandmother".

Radiosonde

Muahahaha wrote: »

Also the Repeal the 8th referendum is pencilled in for 2018. Under no circumstances should his visit clash in any way with the referendum. Any vote on the 8th needs to be held before he arrives.

People are getting ahead of themselves with speculation about this. The so-called Citizens' Assembly may not even recommend repeal. And even if they do, this government has kicked the issue into the long grass once, so it wouldn't be surprising if it pulls a similar stunt with whatever report emerges, especially given it is a minority administration, and FG's deal with FF was only to prop it up through three budgets, not five years. Political obduracy is a much bigger obstacle to repeal than any papal visit.

The flying mouse

padd b1975 wrote: »

He blew his whole point to pieces with his "you know me" comment and a knowing look at Noel Dempsey.

They ended up looking like a right pair of FF stroke pullers.

I disagree I took from what he said,

As you know me as I am not saying this as a political attack, or making something political about it,You are absolutely tearing us apart inside & I am saying that as someone who was/is a friend.

Galway_Old_Man

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Irish people treated The Queen well on her visit. So if the Pope comes to Northern Ireland, we have an obligation to treat him well. Good luck to him. Although judging by the replies on this thread, it seems Irish people are going to protest? Sounds absolutely mad!

Well you have to realise that boards is only reflective of men in their 30s, working in IT, who are atheistic/agnostic, don't like sport and are left on the political spectrum.

54and56

Well I won't be welcoming him. I couldn't care less about him. I'm not a member of the club he leads so I'm as excited about his arrival as I would be if the leader of any of the hundreds of other religions in the world was visiting here. So what?

I'm sure there'll be a big fuss, politicians will be fawning over him and the RC will point to all the young people attending his outdoor event as proof that their religion is alive and well blah blah blah

The biggest impact for me will probably be getting stuck in a traffic jam as I was when the Queen of England visited!!

54and56

padd b1975 wrote: »

He blew his whole point to pieces with his "you know me" comment and a knowing look at Noel Dempsey.

They ended up looking like a right pair of FF stroke pullers.

What a paedophile apologist thing to say about a man whose life was destroyed by the organisation whose leader will be feted on arrival here.

The flying mouse

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

Well you have to realise that boards is only reflective of men in their 30s, working in IT, who are atheistic/agnostic, don't like sport and are left on the political spectrum.

Not all of them

suicide_circus

I'd say ticketmaster are rubbing their thighs

Hotblack Desiato

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

Well you have to realise that boards is only reflective of men in their 30s, working in IT, who are atheistic/agnostic, don't like sport and are left on the political spectrum.

When you're on the extreme right, then everyone is to the left of you.

If anything it's those of us old enough to remember when the church still had real power, before the mid 80s who are most opposed to it, those younger than us say 'what's it got to do with my life'. Then a few years down the line they have a child who needs to be enrolled in school...

Also 'sport' is not a synonym for 'GAA'.

HellSquirrel

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

Well you have to realise that boards is only reflective of men in their 30s, working in IT, who are atheistic/agnostic, don't like sport and are left on the political spectrum.

???

Anyway, learning that I don't exist aside, I've got no beef with the pope coming to visit. He seems like a decent sort and a hell of a lot more progressive than his forebears. Sure, I've got issues with the uber-richness of the Vatican vs their claimed message, but Pope Francis in particular seems like one of their better choices.

Won't be going to see him or paying much attention to his visit, but doesn't bother me if he does.

Glenster

foggy_lad wrote: »

They look at their grandchildren or their young relatives and think "those bastards in black or brides of Satan won't do to you what they did to me and your grandmother".

Nah mate not really, Look in a church next sunday.

Old people.

The parents with kids aren't even there anymore.

Galway_Old_Man

HellSquirrel wrote: »

???

Anyway, learning that I don't exist aside

I was responding to the person I quoted, who seemed to think that this thread indicated what the visit might or might not encounter based on posts here. Boards is in no way representative of the wider Irish population, the main demographic here matches what I put above. Of course not everybody here conforms to that.

They keyword in my post was "reflective".

Maybe the reaction will be as stated, who knows.

Hotblack Desiato wrote:

Also 'sport' is not a synonym for 'GAA'.

Err yeah, good for you. Who said it was?

lazybones32

The flying mouse wrote: »

The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church, All its directives comes from Rome, Is it so hard to say sorry for what people did representing you & your organisation.

Don't know where your getting your last bit of info from, But lets just say I 54 & I remember.

The Church already has apologised. This pope and the previous one have apologised. Numerous times...Google it if you don't believe me.

There are people calling for an apology who, it would seem, are motivated by other factors than genuine care and concern for those who suffered and I agree that the Church shouldn't capitulate to those peoples clamour for an apology.

The flying mouse

lazybones32 wrote: »

The Church already has apologised. This pope and the previous one have apologised. Numerous times...Google it if you don't believe me.

There are people calling for an apology who, it would seem, are motivated by other factors than genuine care and concern for those who suffered and I agree that the Church shouldn't capitulate to those peoples clamour for an apology.

I know that an apology has already been given, But when when he arrives and is just addressing an Irish audience it be nice if he reconfirmed the CC apology, it might show that the CC in which he is leader is sincere, Its not to hard to say it is it ?

And yes I am aware of other peoples motivations in that there not very sincere.

lazybones32

The flying mouse wrote: »

I know that an apology has already been given, But when when he arrives and is just addressing an Irish audience it be nice if he reconfirmed the CC apology, it might show that the CC in which he is leader is sincere, Its not to hard to say it is it ?

And yes I am aware of other peoples motivations in that there not very sincere.

To be honest, it sounds like you could be numbered among those with insincere motives for wanting a public apology from the most senior member of the RCC. Earlier on in the thread you were demanding a sincere apology and now you say you knew he already apologised but want him to do it again.

Glenster

Apologies don't mean anything in themselves. When someone does me wrong I don't care about apologies.


I can see why some people would want the church to apologise over and over again, it reminds people of what they've done and further humiliates and weakens the church in peoples eyes, then maybe they wont have the power to do what they've done again.

Apologies can be used in a court as indicators of guilt so it might make it easier for victims to sue the church.

Also acknowledging wrongs in the past often encourages controls to be set up in the present.

The Draugan

I hope we don't make a disgrace of ourselves fawning all over the man, with all of the abuses and cover ups by the RCC that have come to light in recent years , like the Queens visit a number of years ago this should be a visit of reflection, apology and healing relations by the pope on behalf of the church.

I fear however what we will see is a lot of ring kissing and in effect a papal victory lap of a country still deeply affected by the negative influence of the RCC in our recent past, still with draconian laws on Blasphemy and abortion , where the children of non religious parents can be bumped to the bottom of the waiting list to attend state funded primary schools , where victims of church abuse are still awaiting proper justice and compensation, while their abusers still walk free, protected by the Church .

I welcomed the visit of the Queen and appreciated its historic importance , i am yet to be convinced by the Papal visit.