Is Micheal O Leary going to be the Irish Donald Trump ?

Noddy Nangle

And if it does happen I think could be the best thing to happen this country !

super_furry

No.

Irish people aren't American and wouldn't vote for someone like O'Leary.

sword1

No,pity though

TallGlass

super_furry wrote: »

No.

Irish people aren't American and wouldn't vote for someone like O'Leary.

I would. Better than the current fools in there.

realitykeeper

I would vote for O`Leary also.

ThisRegard

super_furry wrote: »

No.

Irish people aren't American and wouldn't vote for someone like O'Leary.

I would.

SEPT 23 1989

The majority private sector are waiting in hope

Earthhorse

You could vote for him if he stood as a TD and then what? We don't have a presidential election as they do in the States. He'd need to be the head of a popular political party in order for something similar to happen here.

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super_furry wrote: »

No.

Irish people aren't American and wouldn't vote for someone like O'Leary.

"We" vote for Michael Lowry, however.

Jimoslimos

Well thankfully the Irish system, despite its flaws, is nothing like the US system. If MO'L wanted to get elected to power he'd have to work an awful lot harder than Trump did.

Option 1: Replace Michael D as President.

Largely pointless, the office has no real power to change things and O'Leary would get bored twiddling his thumbs. It's also a position that requires a certain level of diplomatic tact and decorum.... perhaps not then.

Option 2: Join a political party - get selected to run as TD - get elected as TD - win parliamentary party leadership election - win overall majority in election.

As mentioned earlier, a lot more work than Trump. Of course he'd get parachuted into any major party (FG I'll assume) and most probably get elected as a TD first time. Would he get elected party leader - not sure about that. Also would be highly unlikely to gain enough seats for an overall Dáil majority so some sort of coalition would be necessary and probably with a left/centre-left party. So no nothing like DT.

Option 3: Form a political party and continue as option 2 above.

Easier to be nominated party leader but impossible to gain enough seats (in the short term) to make any difference.


So not impossible but very very unlikely and if he did manage it he'd probably deserve it (through hard work at least) unlike Trump. Still wouldn't vote for him.

Water John

There are big differences between MOL and DT. MOL took a failing small business and grew it into a very large multinational. DT does not have that track record.

vladmydad

Yes

GreenFolder2

Unlikely

S. Goodspeed

Water John wrote: »

There are big differences between MOL and DT. MOL took a failing small business and grew it into a very large multinational. DT does not have that track record.

Exactly. Plus MOL, while "contoversial" (the truth is controversial to some), is not a racist, xenophobic misogynist (the odd Ryanair calendar aside...)

Kristopherus

Water John wrote: »

There are big differences between MOL and DT. MOL took a failing small business and grew it into a very large multinational. DT does not have that track record.

I'd put it more bluntly. M.O'L has brains, D.T sits on his.:cool:

Owryan

Noddy Nangle wrote: »

And if it does happen I think could be the best thing to happen this country !

How exactly? If he runs for the dail he would be one among many, no way would he be elected taoiseach. He would have to join and become leader of a party and that won't happen.

Even if he ran for and got elected president he would have very little power, maybe he might be allowed choose andrex or kittensoft but that's about it.

CrabRevolution

I could see O'Leary getting elected, but I picture it ending up like George Lee. Going in to the Dáil full of hope and big ideas, then being disappointed after realising he would have far less influence than he imagined.

It's effectively impossible to shoot to the top like in the USA.

ligerdub

Water John wrote:

There are big differences between MOL and DT. MOL took a failing small business and grew it into a very large multinational. DT does not have that track record.

Yeah, because Trump was a household name before Donald started out.

Donald is O'Leary to the power of 50.

Professor Moriarty

When a person considers Michael O'Leary to be the answer, their question is mighty stoopid.

average_runner

I would vote for him also

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

When a person considers Michael O'Leary to be the answer, their question is mighty stoopid.

Would you rather a former primary school teacher to be either Taoiseach or Minister for Finance or would you rather Michael O'Leary?

Idbatterim

absolutely Id vote for him, he might not be able to change very much, unless her started his own party and was involved in government, but it would be great for him to call out all the incompetent gob****es for what they are...

Water John

Liger, perhaps yo could give a reasoned analysis for your claim.

Professor Moriarty

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Would you rather a former primary school teacher to be either Taoiseach or Minister for Finance or would you rather Michael O'Leary?

I'd prefer a stray cat to O'Leary.

average_runner

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd prefer a stray cat to O'Leary.

That's why we got bertie and ends.

People that never ran a business or have experience

Professor Moriarty

average_runner wrote: »

That's why we got bertie and ends.

People that never ran a business or have experience

I'd prefer Bertie to a stray cat or O'Leary if that helps.

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd prefer a stray cat to O'Leary.

So, you'd rather a Primary School teacher to lead the country or manage the finances rather than a somewhat maverick but undoubtedly successful business man.

And that's not even taking into account his hatred for Man U supporters

Dyr

Michael O'Leary: The pr1cks pr1ck

To rob Kevin Bridges best phrase

average_runner

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd prefer Bertie to a stray cat or O'Leary if that helps.

Fair enough, bertie cost people of Ireland money and lives.

Water John

It doesn't stop him providing a service to Manchester.

Professor Moriarty

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So, you'd rather a Primary School teacher to lead the country or manage the finances rather than a somewhat maverick but undoubtedly successful business man.

And that's not even taking into account his hatred for Man U supporters

Yes. His admirable ABU aside, I'd rather no Taoiseach than O'Leary. Or maybe a slug instead. Yes, I think a slug instead of O'Leary.

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Water John wrote: »

It doesn't stop him providing a service to Manchester.

I've flown RA into Manchester, and hoped on a train to get to Anfield. We just hold our noses.

KingBrian2

I'd vote for Pat Kenny to become Taoiseach he comes across as some one who is serious and well capable of taking on series problems facing the nation.

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yes, I think a slug instead of O'Leary.

Ah, now I know why Bertie appeals to you so much.

ligerdub

Water John wrote:

Liger, perhaps yo could give a reasoned analysis for your claim.

I don't need to. Your comment was nonsense.

Professor Moriarty

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Ah, now I know why Bertie appeals to you so much.

Bertie doesn't appeal to me at all, but he's more appealing than O'Leary. Or a slug.

Del.Monte

I can't help liking Michael O'Leary for his ability to call a spade a spade, but I doubt that I would vote for him. Anyway, he has a life why would he give it up for the Dail or the Park.

Professor Moriarty

KingBrian2 wrote: »

I'd vote for Pat Kenny to become Taoiseach he comes across as some one who is serious and well capable of taking on series problems facing the nation.

We couldn't afford him.

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Del.Monte wrote: »

I can't help liking Michael O'Leary for his ability to call a spade a spade, but I doubt that I would vote for him.

I bet you would. When it came to putting an X in the box and you considered the alternatives... the son of the outgoing TD, the bored primary school teacher, the cute Co Councillor that has been bidding his time for the big leagues or someone that would be guaranteed to inject SOMETHING, I bet you'd opt for the possibility of something... else.

ThisRegard

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I could see O'Leary getting elected, but I picture it ending up like George Lee. Going in to the Dáil full of hope and big ideas, then being disappointed after realising he would have far less influence than he imagined.

It's effectively impossible to shoot to the top like in the USA.

Difference is MOL knows this.

super_furry

Anyone that thinks O'Leary would even consider going into politics for a second in deluded. The massive pay cut he'd have to take alone would preclude him ever considering it.

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super_furry wrote: »

Anyone that thinks O'Leary would even consider going into politics for a second in deluded. The massive pay cut he'd have to take alone would preclude him ever considering it.

You're probably right, however not for the reason you mention. Do you think MOL will ever have money concerns for the rest of his life?

The same reason why the Donald takes only $1 salary, the money will have nothing to do with it.

Idbatterim

Avatar MIA wrote: »

You're probably right, however not for the reason you mention. Do you think MOL will ever have money concerns for the rest of his life?

The same reason why the Donald takes only $1 salary, the money will have nothing to do with it.

You got there before me. You actually think the mickey mouse money he'd be Pocketing in the scheme of things, would have any influence on such a decision?!

super_furry

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The same reason why the Donald takes only $1 salary, the money will have nothing to do with it.

Trump is trying to do that in order to ensure he doesn't open up his taxes to scrutiny.

You honestly think someone like O'Leary would give up the millions he'd earn to do a job that's far more demanding and scrutinised that the one he's doing now? Right now he only answers to shareholders and they don't care what he does if he makes them more money. Treat you staff like rubbish? Who cares? Treat your customers like cattle? Who cares? Try to get around your passengers legal rights? Who cares?

He's only ever answerable to people who only care about money. As Toasieach he'd be answerable to the people of Ireland and there's no way he'd even think about it.

SterlingArcher

super_furry wrote: »

He's only ever answerable to people who only care about money. As Toasieach he'd be answerable to the people of Ireland and there's no way he'd even think about it.

Really? I thought the Toasieachs main agenda WAS appeasing only those that care about money. Or was the last 10 years not a show and tell.

I suppose a drawback would be finding time between golf to fit in the odd bothersome tribunals.

Wanderer78

O'leary would not be a good political leader, it's a skill set that few possess. A multitude of skills are required, and a business hat is just one of them. His skills of running efficiently running organisations most certainly is needed in the public service, but attitude of dealing with the public is most certainly not needed. I do respect his achievements in his field but we require different skill sets in the public domain

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Wanderer78 wrote: »

O'leary would not be a good political leader, it's a skill set that few possess. A multitude of skills are required, and a business hat is just one of them. His skills of running efficiently running organisations most certainly is needed in the public service, but attitude of dealing with the public is most certainly not needed. I do respect his achievements in his field but we require different skill sets in the public domain

How many of the previous Irish political leaders, though lacking business experience, were actually better than what you think O'Leary would bring to job?

So, Kenny doesn't have much experience in business, but you think he has made a better job of being Taoiseach because of what other inherent skill?

Wanderer78

Avatar MIA wrote: »

How many of the previous Irish political leaders, though lacking business experience, were actually better than what you think O'Leary would bring to job?

So, Kenny doesn't have much experience in business, but you think he has made a better job of being Taoiseach because of what other inherent skill?

great questions, quick answer, none really come to mind, as i said, earlier, very few actually have the necessary skill set to be a good leader in politics. o'leary is exceptional in his field and hats off to him in his successes, but political leadership is whole different ball game. o'leary is ruthless but those traits can be problematic even dangerous in the world of politics. a true leader in politics is somebody that understands humanity and the needs of all, and is capable of producing a plan to try achieve that. business is only one entity of political leadership, but im afraid a rising tide 'does not' lift all boats! social needs are far different and far more complex than the success of a business.

Jane1012

I happened to be at a talk of his yesterday and this question was asked.. his answer was absolutely not and that he wouldn't even vote for himself

Wanderer78

Jane1012 wrote: »

I happened to be at a talk of his yesterday and this question was asked.. his answer was absolutely not and that he wouldn't even vote for himself

where was that?

pumpkin4life

Like Trump, O Leary is a marketing genius and probably has it in him to manipulate the Irish media very well.

However, Irish people don't like people like O Leary, what with O Leary being extremely rich and successful in his life. You'd get further being a teacher in Ireland.

I'd probably vote for the mad bastard though.