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Battlefield 1 vs Doom
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23-11-2016 7:55pm#1
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Retr0gamer wrote: »Well there's no Zen level!
Doom is a tough one to compare as it's more like a Platinum fighting game than a traditional FPS. It doesn't need flashy set pieces and scripted sequences because the core gameplay loop is so good.
Agreed. Its one of those games that just feels so good when you play it. Everything just clicks gameplay wise.
adocholiday, since you said you bought Titanfall 2 already id go with Doom in that case. Who really has the time to play two, TWO online FPS games!?0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Would Doom have much replayability? I haven't played BF1, but if the time I've sunk into BF4 is an indication to go by, and if the former is like the latter, then I'd personally go for BF1.
If you are someone who likes to replay games by Platinum at higher difficulty levels then you'll get a lot of play time out of it. The campaign is very generous as well in terms of content.
My advice when starting is to go straight for ultra violence difficulty level. The other difficulty levels are too easy and kind of spoil the game. Ultra Violence was the right balance (I actually restarted the game on ultra violence as I was finding it needed an extra shot of difficulty). The game is more than manageable on that difficulty level but it's tough enough that you really have to juggle weapons and make full use of glory kills and chainsaw kills to keep your health and ammo topped up. It's feels a bit like how you regain health in Metal Gear Rising Revengeance and totally changes how the game flows for the better.
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I love the Doom games, but i would rate the latest doom game as just ok, Far too much repetition, Fight to an area, get locked in till you kill everything, then fight to the next area and repeat.
Yeah this is my issue with it too. Don't get me wrong, the core gameplay loop is great, and arcade mode is a great way to bump up the difficulty and enjoy the rock solid mechanics in intense short bursts without any distractions. But the campaign IMO plays its cards early and then just lightly remixes it from then on. This has nothing to with its difficulty - it's simply that I felt there was a lot of filler and it would have benefited either from a leaner campaign or a little more imagination in the type of situations & settings it throws at you. You get that in the great Platinum games, but aside from 'more enemies' there's little of it in DOOM.
At least the developers recognised the limitations of their own campaign and added that arcade mode where it's more focused on pure high scores, fast movement and short bursts of intense play. Still think Titanfall 2 takes the FPS campaign crown, though, for the sheer density of imaginative design on display - although that there's even a competition is a rare treat
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »Yeah this is my issue with it too. Don't get me wrong, the core gameplay loop is great, and arcade mode is a great way to bump up the difficulty and enjoy the rock solid mechanics in intense short bursts without any distractions. But the campaign IMO plays its cards early and then just lightly remixes it from then on. This has nothing to with its difficulty - it's simply that I felt there was a lot of filler and it would have benefited either from a leaner campaign or a little more imagination in the type of situations & settings it throws at you. You get that in the great Platinum games, but aside from 'more enemies' there's little of it in DOOM.
At least the developers recognised the limitations of their own campaign and added that arcade mode where it's more focused on pure high scores, fast movement and short bursts of intense play. Still think Titanfall 2 takes the FPS campaign crown, though, for the sheer density of imaginative design on display - although that there's even a competition is a rare treat
I honestly think this all boils down to what difficulty you played Doom on.
It deserves to be played at higher difficulty. It's a different beast than playing on Normal.
I have it on both Xbox & PS4. Can't remember the last time I purchased a game twice for two consoles.0 -
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Doom definitely plays differently on the higher difficulty levels, it's a crime to play on the default and Id really should have went for the higher difficulty as standard.
I did really like titanfall 2 but for all its imagination there's really not enough content in the single player campaign. It just ends before it really gets going.
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Deleted User wrote: »Much as I did enjoy Doom you could predict the sequence of events after a point and what would spawn in the waves. It was the only negative about it for me. Was it any different on the higher difficulties?
You just had to make much greater use of the mechanics. Even though you could tell what was going to happen with each combat area it was the environment and enemy variety that made it interesting. Even in some sections where I died a few times it was so much fun to try them again, taking a different approach. The higher difficulty levels have more enemies spawning in but also mean you are taking a lot more damage and as a result the only real way to keep your health topped up is to use glory kills. Once you start having to really startegise when to use them and also weapons then it just becomes a very different game.
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Well I disagree with you totally on your first point. Doom 2016 for me isn't like a game from 20 years ago. There's no other FPS like it. It's a FPS that focuses totally on it's mechanics, systems and gameplay loops pretty much in the same way as a Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. It's such a pure game experience with no pretentions to be anything but a videogame. I still think Doom 1 and 2 are stone cold classics and as playable as the day they were released but there hasn't been a shooter like Doom 2016 before or since.
And yes I thoroughly enjoyed Titanfall 2 and the fact that it ended too soon is a good thing. I'm all for shorter condenser experiences but Titanfall 2 just felt a little too anaemic to me. Sure there's a lot more content in multiplayer but I don't really do multiplayer so haven't played a lot of it. Nearly every level of Titanfall 2 presented the player with the same mechanics but twisted them with new environmental challenges. It was pretty much the way Nintendo make their games, how something like Super Mario Galaxy would explore a new way to use mario's abilities then drop it in the next stage for something new different and exciting. It's great but there's so much more they could do with such great mechanics. Roll on Titanfall 3!
I think arguing which is better comes down to personal preference. FPS games are probably the stalest genre around at the moment but 2016 has brought not one, but two games in the genre that completely turn the genre on it's head. They both throw away an over reliance on realistic ham fisted military fetishism and just go balls to the wall banana's trying to be as much fun as they can be. Both games brought fun back to the a genre that in the 90's started out with games trying to out do themselves with the wackiest arsenals available before becoming something so very stale.
For me it's Doom that I like. I have too many games to play to go back and repeat them on harder difficulty levels. The exception to that is the top tier games from Platinum. Doom 2016 is another exception as it's a game I just love to go back to and experience that gameplay loop again (and that Mick Gordon soundtrack).
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[Deleted User] wrote: »Yea, I feel people are looking at original Doom with rose-tinted eyeglasses. It was very much an arena-style shooter.
While you can lay the claim that new doom is an arena shooter ( although I'd say it transcends t g at ) you can't call the original doom games arena shooters like serious sam or painkiller. The original games have very intricately designed levels and you are never locked into an area forced to kill all the enemies before you move to the next one. I still think the original doom games are excellent and there's really not b in else that comes close to playing like them.
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