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    #1712
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Brian? wrote: »
    Mass immigration supplies needed labour to the west where population growth is slow and declining. Why do you think Germany has become so multicultural? They need the workers. And how is your average German doing in terms of standard of living?

    Japan hasn't. Here's an article from The Economist on the subject:

    http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21713868-there-arent-many-and-cities-are-growing-desperate-desperately-seeking-young-people

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #1713
    Brian?
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Japan hasn't. Here's an article from The Economist on the subject:

    http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21713868-there-arent-many-and-cities-are-growing-desperate-desperately-seeking-young-people

    The door may well be about to open to Japan alright. It's reaching crisis point, thanks to their low birth rate and strict immigration laws, as detailed in this article.

    The case study of Japan should be mandatory reading for any anti immigration party in Europe.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1714
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Keep to the alt-right please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #1715
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    For parent's looking to introduce children to the alt-right or race-realism in general, one of the hosts of 'Good Morning White America' has written a valuable book to plant little seeds in their formative minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1541153758/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    It's refreshing to see a children's book that features a normal white, Christian family for a change. It would be an excellent way to explain to our children about Trump's America and the need to protect our values and heritage.


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    #1716
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    For parent's looking to introduce children to the alt-right or race-realism in general, one of the hosts of 'Good Morning White America' has written a valuable book to plant little seeds in their formative minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1541153758/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    It's refreshing to see a children's book that features a normal white, Christian family for a change. It would be an excellent way to explain to our children about Trump's America and the need to protect our values and heritage.

    What is the point of racial realism?

    For the sake of argument lets accept the premise that some races are better than others. How does that being public knowledge help anyone? Surely that would breed even more supremacy?


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    #1717
    PopePalpatine
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    Il Fascista wrote: »
    What is the point of racial realism?

    For the sake of argument lets accept the premise that some races are better than others. How does that being public knowledge help anyone? Surely that would breed even more supremacy?
    That's pretty much the point of it for the alt-right. Just don't tell them how well Jews do on their favourite measuring stick, the IQ test, otherwise brace yourself for frog-like shrieking.


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    #1718
    Il Fascista
    Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Il Fascista


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    That's pretty much the point of it for the alt-right. Just don't tell them how well Jews do on their favourite measuring stick, the IQ test, otherwise brace yourself for frog-like shrieking.

    That's what confuses me. Asians and Jews are ahead of them by their own statistics.

    As someone who'd probably be labelled Alt Right for some of my opinions, I think the hardcore aspect of it is a joke. They tick every box as far as right wing stereotypes go.


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    #1719
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    It's refreshing to see a children's book that features a normal white, Christian family for a change.
    By normal I assume you mean, minority from a specific area. They wouldn't be normal in Mayo, or Italy for example.


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    #1720
    Brian?
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    By normal I assume you mean, minority from a specific area. They wouldn't be normal in Mayo, or Italy for example.

    They wouldn't be normal in the US either.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1721
    Brian?
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    For parent's looking to introduce children to the alt-right or race-realism in general, one of the hosts of 'Good Morning White America' has written a valuable book to plant little seeds in their formative minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1541153758/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    It's refreshing to see a children's book that features a normal white, Christian family for a change. It would be an excellent way to explain to our children about Trump's America and the need to protect our values and heritage.

    Why would I introduce my children to "race realism"? Unless I want them to start hating people that are different Early.

    Can I get a definition of white yet? Who isn't white?

    I have blue eyes and light brown hair, so I'm fairly sure I'm in. But my older son is blonde with brown eyes, should I warn the other kids he might not be pure? My younger son has darker hair and green eyes, so he's definitely out. Right? Should I ask him to wear some sort of coloured badge for ease of identification.

    My wife is half French. So I am fairly sure she's out.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1722
    Sand
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    Brian? wrote: »
    The door may well be about to open to Japan alright. It's reaching crisis point, thanks to their low birth rate and strict immigration laws, as detailed in this article.

    The case study of Japan should be mandatory reading for any anti immigration party in Europe.

    Uncontrolled mass migration and multiculturalism is not a solution to falling birth rates. Its just exchanging one set of temporary problems (baby boomers getting old) with an entirely different set of permanent problems (multicultural society, or lack-thereof).

    People are entertaining more populist/protectionist ideas because they don't accept multiculturalism as inevitable or even beneficial. I wouldn't credit the alt-right with this. They're just a bunch of trolls squabbling with SJW trolls on twitter. The mainstream politicians have come straight out of 1970s student politics, have had their turn at the wheel and the outcomes have been mixed to poor. The wider population which did not drink the kool-aid and prioritise their security and their prosperity are making a judgement.

    People need to accept that and account for it, rather than crediting the alt-right with influence they do not have.


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    #1723
    ScumLord
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Can I get a definition of white yet? Who isn't white?
    Ya, like how should we feel about Spanish people. Over here they're white but in America they're Mexican. Which apparently makes them a different race.


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    #1724
    FreudianSlippers
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Ya, like how should we feel about Spanish people. Over here they're white but in America they're Mexican. Which apparently makes them a different race.
    "Mexican" is a national identity rather than a race/ethnicity as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a large amount of ethnically Spanish Mexicans, but I've heard that more than a quarter identify as indigenous (Olmec, Aztec, Maya, Yucatan, etc.) but the vast majority are some kind of a mix.


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    #1725
    Brian?
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    "Mexican" is a national identity rather than a race/ethnicity as far as I'm aware. There are certainly a large amount of ethnically Spanish Mexicans, but I've heard that more than a quarter identify as indigenous (Olmec, Aztec, Maya, Yucatan, etc.) but the vast majority are some kind of a mix.

    In Mexico, and the rest of Latin America, people who are descended from Spanish people are considered white. But if they move to the US they become Latino.

    The term "white" is so arbitrary it's almost meaningless. That's why I want a definition of white from these supposed white nationalists. I've yet to get one yet.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1726
    FreudianSlippers
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    Brian? wrote: »
    In Mexico, and the rest of Latin America, people who are descended from Spanish people are considered white. But if they move to the US they become Latino.

    The term "white" is so arbitrary it's almost meaningless. That's why I want a definition of white from these supposed white nationalists. I've yet to get one yet.
    I genuinely was surprised at the ethnic diversity of "Mexicans" when I moved to LA for work for half the year. It's amazing that they all get lumped together like that tbh.


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    #1727
    Brian?
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I genuinely was surprised at the ethnic diversity of "Mexicans" when I moved to LA for work for half the year. It's amazing that they all get lumped together like that tbh.

    It's mad eh? I've Mexican friends who look nothing like each other at all, one looks remarkable similar to Geronimo. I've a friend who's mother is Mexican and father is of Scottish extraction, but he's Mexican as far as white Americans are concerned. They don't seem to get that Mexican is a nationality not a ethnicity.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1728
    frostyjacks
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    Brian? wrote: »
    In Mexico, and the rest of Latin America, people who are descended from Spanish people are considered white. But if they move to the US they become Latino.

    The term "white" is so arbitrary it's almost meaningless. That's why I want a definition of white from these supposed white nationalists. I've yet to get one yet.

    I don't believe there is a single, approved definition of 'white'. It's not simply a black and white issue no pun intended. If you browse the forums on sites like Stormfront, you will see discussions on the various definitions. Generally, it refers to someone of European descent.


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    #1729
    Brian?
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I don't believe there is a single, approved definition of 'white'. It's not simply a black and white issue no pun intended. If you browse the forums on sites like Stormfront, you will see discussions on the various definitions. Generally, it refers to someone of European descent.

    How can you be a white nationalist without a definition of what "white" means? If we're going with someone of European descent, does that include some Turks?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1730
    ScumLord
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I genuinely was surprised at the ethnic diversity of "Mexicans" when I moved to LA for work for half the year. It's amazing that they all get lumped together like that tbh.
    There's a fair amount of diversity in Spain as well. Southern Spanish can look very different from northern Spaniards and there can be fairly major cultural differences throughout Spain, they don't even have one language for the entire country.

    The Portuguese surprised me, there are a lot of people that look closer to north african than white European.


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    #1731
    Brian?
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    There's a fair amount of diversity in Spain as well. Southern Spanish can look very different from northern Spaniards and there can be fairly major cultural differences throughout Spain, they don't even have one language for the entire country.

    The Portuguese surprised me, there are a lot of people that look closer to north african than white European.

    The Iberian peninsula basically was North Africa for a few hundred years during the moorish occupation.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1732
    InTheTrees
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    There's a hilarious video out of Richard spencer getting punched in the face during a TV interview.

    I'm sure he liked it though, he can play the victim and blame the Jews after all.

    I'd post a link but I'm using my phone.


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    #1733
    frostyjacks
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    InTheTrees wrote: »
    There's a hilarious video out of Richard spencer getting punched in the face during a TV interview.

    I'm sure he liked it though, he can play the victim and blame the Jews after all.

    I'd post a link but I'm using my phone.

    I can see how a little cowardly punch from the blindside is hilarious to you. This is how liberals react to something they disagree with; pure thuggery.


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    #1734
    Brian?
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I can see how a little cowardly punch from the blindside is hilarious to you. This is how liberals react to something they disagree with; pure thuggery.

    I thought it was free speech to mock whoever we want?

    How do you know the puncher was liberal? He could have been a socialist. Did you happen to note the reaction of the protesters around when it happened. There was no support for the violence.

    It was hilarious though.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1735
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    InTheTrees wrote: »
    There's a hilarious video out of Richard spencer getting punched in the face during a TV interview.

    I'm sure he liked it though, he can play the victim and blame the Jews after all.

    I'd post a link but I'm using my phone.

    I can see how a little cowardly punch from the blindside is hilarious to you. This is how liberals react to something they disagree with; pure thuggery.

    Its really not a left/right thing. There is a certain justice in seeing an unashamedly bigoted bully get blindsided.


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    #1736
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Brian? wrote: »
    I thought it was free speech to mock whoever we want?

    How do you know the puncher was liberal? He could have been a socialist. Did you happen to note the reaction of the protesters around when it happened. There was no support for the violence.

    It was hilarious though.

    Free speech ends where your nose begins, ad they say. It says a lot about you that you find cowardly attacks hilarious.


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    #1737
    20Cent
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Free speech ends where your nose begins, ad they say. It says a lot about you that you find cowardly attacks hilarious.

    "This is pepe its a symbol of" smaaack *spancer runs away.
    Very funny.
    Saw a vid of Spencer crying about it afterwards couldn't listen to it though.


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    #1738
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,077 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Free speech ends where your nose begins, ad they say. It says a lot about you that you find cowardly attacks hilarious.

    You know what it say about me? It says I find it hilarious when a with supremacist gets punched in the ear.

    So we're agreed, nothing wrong with laughing at it.

    What about the rest of my post? Care to reply to it. How do you know he was a liberal? The other protesters didn't seem very happy with him, did you notice that?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1739
    20Cent
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    In case you haven't seen it.

    https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=q3k5C2zmDew

    There is another video of some other alt right gella boasting about beating up protesters.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=87HQOzJfvlA


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    #1740
    PopePalpatine
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    You'd think an "alpha male" like Spencer thinks he is would be itching for a fight. :rolleyes:


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    #1741
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    As much as I detest the likes of a white supremacist like Spencer, it was just ugly of that guy to punch him in the face without warning. Such a guy is no better than Spencer.


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