Nest from Electric Ireland for 99 installed.

drunkmonkey

Just said i'd start a thread on this offer, A 3rd Generation Nest is 99 installed from Electric Ireland at the moment for existing customers, if you need a second for a 3rd zone it's and extra 270 included instillation.

If you were to go buy one yourself from lets say Harvey Norman, it's 219 for the nest and I think the instillation charge is 127 so for 99 installed it's a bargain if it suits your set up.

https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/products/smarter-living/nest

If your thinking of taking up the offer call the ordinary sales team first as they might be able to give you a better rate on your electricity or some reward on your account. Then call the home instillation team and they'll organise the installation of the nest.
As it's installed by them you also get a 5yr warranty on it.

lolliedog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just said i'd start a thread on this offer, A 3rd Generation Nest is 99 installed from Electric Ireland at the moment for existing customers, if you need a second for a 3rd zone it's and extra 270 included instillation.

If you were to go buy one yourself from lets say Harvey Norman, it's 219 for the nest and I think the instillation charge is 127 so for 99 installed it's a bargain if it suits your set up.

https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/products/smarter-living/nest

If your thinking of taking up the offer call the ordinary sales team first as they might be able to give you a better rate on your electricity or some reward on your account. Then call the home instillation team and they'll organise the installation of the nest.
As it's installed by them you also get a 5yr warranty on it.

This might suit my mother. Is there any catch?

drunkmonkey

I think she said I've to give them 50 if I leave within 12mts, with them years I'm not going anywhere.

lolliedog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think she said I've to give them 50 if I leave within 12mts, with them years I'm not going anywhere.

How long does it take to get an install date?

drunkmonkey

Ordered them yesterday getting installed on Wednesday so a week.

BionicRasher

Says it can control hot water also. How does that work?

I have 3 zones. 1 downstairs. 1 upstairs and 1 hot water. All controlled by motorised valve.

Any care to explain how nest might work for me?

drunkmonkey

BionicRasher wrote: »

Says it can control hot water also. How does that work?

I have 3 zones. 1 downstairs. 1 upstairs and 1 hot water. All controlled by motorised valve.

Any care to explain how nest might work for me?

Yea that's my exact set up, one nest will control the hot water and downstairs and the other the upstairs. So you'd need 2 installed like me so it'll set you back 369, read my first post carefully to bring that cost down.

What do you need to know?

lolliedog

BionicRasher wrote: »

Says it can control hot water also. How does that work?

I have 3 zones. 1 downstairs. 1 upstairs and 1 hot water. All controlled by motorised valve.

Any care to explain how nest might work for me?

I'm not fully sure but if you have a modern time clock it would have 3 channels.

How many channels does the nest support.

My understanding is that the heat link replaces the on/off function of the boiler. This is linked to the wireless thermostat. When the stat calls for heat it turns the boiler on.

What I am not sure of is how it handles zones.

I know that you can put the heatlink in place of the mains wired existing stats, which will then be operated by the new wireless stat. When the stat calls for heat it energizes the heat link to switch on the zone valve. The zone valve has a micro switch that has the ability to turn the boiler on.

In my head with this system you would need 2 complete nest units for the rads downstairs and upstairs.

I assume you would need another nest unit for the hot water. What I am unclear about is whether you also need the stat to turn it on.

Can a heat link be switched on without a stat???

lolliedog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yea that's my exact set up, one nest will control the hot water and downstairs and the other the upstairs. So you'd need 2 installed like me so it'll set you back 369, read my first post carefully to bring that cost down.

What do you need to know?

Can the nest turn control the hot water or the downstairs separately?

ThisRegard

I've been looking at the various offers with Electric Ireland, they have this, the Climote and Honeywell. I think the Honeywell requires a subscription, so if there's only 1 zone why choose the Nest over a Netatmo?

drunkmonkey

Climate is subscription as well as far as I know.
Nest is owned by google.

This review is worth a read http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/smart-thermostats/nest-review-uk-nest-thermostat-review-nest-3rd-gen-thermostat-3543915/

I nearly went tado but the nest is cheaper and better with the offer.

Have a basket I got from tado for everything I would have needed for the same , 368 quid and would still need to be installed.

Phoebas

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just said i'd start a thread on this offer, A 3rd Generation Nest is 99 installed from Electric Ireland at the moment for existing customers, if you need a second for a 3rd zone it's and extra 270 included instillation.

If you were to go buy one yourself from lets say Harvey Norman, it's 219 for the nest and I think the instillation charge is 127 so for 99 installed it's a bargain if it suits your set up.

https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/products/smarter-living/nest

There isn't anything in that link that explicitly says its €99.
It tells you how much you'd be saving, but not what you'd be paying.

drunkmonkey

Yea they can all be run separately with the 3rd gen nest.
So I can have just hot water, hot water and everything, just upstairs or downstairs etc

drunkmonkey

Click on the sign up now link at the bottom of the link and follow through the next page and it'll show you the 99 price for existing customers.

Make sure you call sales/support first about any discounts for long standing customers and the great rate air Tricty were offering. Before you call the home team to order a nest.

salmocab

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Click on the sign up now link at the bottom of the link and follow through the next page and it'll show you the 99 price for existing customers.

Make sure you call sales/support first about any discounts for long standing customers and the great rate air Tricty were offering. Before you call the home team to order a nest.

hmm its like your trying to tell us something

drunkmonkey

The force is strong in this one..

razor12345

You might pm any additional details on this offer please

BionicRasher

So for 99 you get a heat link at the boiler and a wireless thermostat.?
How does it know when to heat my water?
In my setup I have a probe in the water cylinder and that's linked back to the boiler.

drunkmonkey

You go to the app on the phone or thermostat and tell it. Program it like you would at the wall on the app or PC
But it's a lot smarter than that, can know when your gone and coming home or close to home.

BionicRasher

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You go to the app on the phone or thermostat and tell it. Program it like you would at the wall on the app or PC
But it's a lot smarter than that, can know when your gone and coming home or close to home.

Ya but how is it linked to my hot water cylinder? Currently I can have my hot water come on independently of heating. The probe in the tank tells the heat link to fire up the boiler to heat the water.
Is there a probe for the Nest also?

drunkmonkey

BionicRasher wrote: »

Ya but how is it linked to my hot water cylinder? Currently I can have my hot water come on independently of heating. The probe in the tank tells the heat link to fire up the boiler to heat the water.
Is there a probe for the Nest also?

Can you heat your water with your heating as well as with the probe in the water tank, the probe is your immersion heater (temperature control)
Nest replaces your current thermostat/timer, You use the termostat, app or pc to program it also learns itself your schedule, you can combine it with other nest products to make it smarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkSkOn4h-A

Looks really smart

whiterebel

BionicRasher wrote: »

So for 99 you get a heat link at the boiler and a wireless thermostat.?
How does it know when to heat my water?
In my setup I have a probe in the water cylinder and that's linked back to the boiler.

2 Nests can do 2 radiator zones + hot water. The 2 heating zones are run by the Thermostats or changes you make on the app. The Hot Water isn't controlled by the water temperature, it is either timed, or you boost it for 30 mins, 1 or 2 hours through the app or the thermostat unit itself.

My upstairs stat controls only the upstairs heating, the downstairs stat controls both downstairs and the hotwater

lolliedog

whiterebel wrote: »

2 Nests can do 2 radiator zones + hot water. The 2 heating zones are run by the Thermostats or changes you make on the app. The Hot Water isn't controlled by the water temperature, it is either timed, or you boost it for 30 mins, 1 or 2 hours through the app or the thermostat unit itself.

My upstairs stat controls only the upstairs heating, the downstairs stat controls both downstairs and the hotwater

Just wondering how the downstairs stat controls the hot water?

Phoebas

I currently have a heating controller something like this (but with just one heating setting and a water setting).
It doesn't have a thermometer at all, but I can set the heating and the water to come on independently on a weekly schedule.
I can also 'boost' water, heating or both to come on for an hour (or two).

I presume the nest would replace that level of functionality?

lolliedog

Phoebas wrote: »

I currently have a heating controller something like this (but with just one heating setting and a water setting).
It doesn't have a thermometer at all, but I can set the heating and the water to come on independently on a weekly schedule.
I can also 'boost' water, heating or both to come on for an hour (or two).

I presume the nest would replace that level of functionality?

The heat link must have 2 channels?

Phoebas

lolliedog wrote: »

The heat link must have 2 channels?

I don't know what a heat link is, or what a channel is in this context, so the answer is

It's just a magic box on the wall.

harr

Sorry if this has being answered before ...I have your basic oil central heating in a 3 bed semi ,no different zones or anything...what I am looking for is a basic controller for my heating and to be able to turn heating on and off from an app and to set timer from app..will the nest do these basic functions without using the smart functions of the nest

drunkmonkey

harr wrote: »

Sorry if this has being answered before ...I have your basic oil central heating in a 3 bed semi ,no different zones or anything...what I am looking for is a basic controller for my heating and to be able to turn heating on and off from an app and to set timer from app..will the nest do these basic functions without using the smart functions of the nest

You probably have 2 zones maybe 3, water and radiators possibly upstairs and downstairs are different zones or could be made easily.

This will do what you want and way more.

lolliedog

Phoebas wrote: »

I don't know what a heat link is, or what a channel is in this context, so the answer is

It's just a magic box on the wall.

The heat link is what replaces the time clock. The stat is linked/talks to the heat link wirelessly.

BionicRasher

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you heat your water with your heating as well as with the probe in the water tank, the probe is your immersion heater (temperature control)
Nest replaces your current thermostat/timer, You use the termostat, app or pc to program it also learns itself your schedule, you can combine it with other nest products to make it smarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkSkOn4h-A

Looks really smart

Let me try to explain better.
I have 3 zones.
Downstairs
Upstairs
Hot Water

All can run independently.
Downstairs has a thermostat
Upstairs has a thermostat
Hot water cylinder has a temperature probe attached to the side of the tank.

If I want to have hot water for a shower and not turn on any heating to the rads I simply boost the hot water control for an hour for example.

All zones run independently from powered flow valves and are controlled via the boiler control panel. So click hot water boost fires up the boiler and opens the flow valve and voila my hot water tank fills with hot water to my desired temperature.

From the answers I have seen Nest cannot do this. Or if it can how will I be able to do it.

drunkmonkey

Yes it'll work for you, it's the same set up i'm putting it in. So you'd need 2 nests and heatlinks one to control downstairs and hot water and another one for upstairs, you'll have one of those smarty twisty things upstairs and downstairs.

You'll be removing/bypassing your current control panel.

bk

The catch with this is that you have to specifically sign up to a "nest" plan which has significantly higher per kWh rates then their competitors.

Electric Irelands Nest plan charges 15.13 cent per kWh (excluding VAT).

By comparison Bord Gais latest plan charges 11.57 cent per kWh, excluding VAT.

An average 3 bed semi in Ireland uses 5,300 kWh per annum.

So €801 for the Nest plan and €613 with Bord Gais, a €183 difference and then add €99 for a total of €287.

Still cheaper then buying Nest directly yourself, but a lot more expensive then buying Netatmo directly for €99 to €150, if you can install it yourself.

Not to discourage anyone from getting Nest, just want to make sure people are informed.

Uriel.

ThisRegard wrote: »

I've been looking at the various offers with Electric Ireland, they have this, the Climote and Honeywell. I think the Honeywell requires a subscription, so if there's only 1 zone why choose the Nest over a Netatmo?

Honeywell doesn't require a subscription.
Tbh while 1300 is expensive the honeywell is a far better set up than nest. When I have the money I'll be upgrading.

Having said that the nest is a bargain with electric Ireland and it is a great piece of kit, even if I can't do hot water only.

ted1

BionicRasher wrote: »

Let me try to explain better.
I have 3 zones.
Downstairs
Upstairs
Hot Water

All can run independently.
Downstairs has a thermostat
Upstairs has a thermostat
Hot water cylinder has a temperature probe attached to the side of the tank.

If I want to have hot water for a shower and not turn on any heating to the rads I simply boost the hot water control for an hour for example.

All zones run independently from powered flow valves and are controlled via the boiler control panel. So click hot water boost fires up the boiler and opens the flow valve and voila my hot water tank fills with hot water to my desired temperature.

From the answers I have seen Nest cannot do this. Or if it can how will I be able to do it.

Nest Can do that , you just need 2 of them. 1 for zone 1+ hot water and the second for zone 2.

drunkmonkey

bk wrote: »

The catch with this is that you have to specifically sign up to a "nest" plan which has significantly higher per kWh rates then their competitors.

Electric Irelands Nest plan charges 15.13 cent per kWh (excluding VAT).

By comparison Bord Gais latest plan charges 11.57 cent per kWh, excluding VAT.

An average 3 bed semi in Ireland uses 5,300 kWh per annum.

So €801 for the Nest plan and €613 with Bord Gais, a €183 difference and then add €99 for a total of €287.

Still cheaper then buying Nest directly yourself, but a lot more expensive then buying Netatmo directly for €99 to €150, if you can install it yourself.

Not to discourage anyone from getting Nest, just want to make sure people are informed.

Some of us are using oil so Board Gais isn't a runner everywhere, I won't say what discount I got but it was a lot more than the 183 difference and at a cheaper kWh than you listed.

lolliedog

ted1 wrote: »

Nest Can do that , you just need 2 of them. 1 for zone 1+ hot water and the second for zone 2.

I have asked this before but just want to confirm. The nest controlling zone 1 + hot water. Is it possibly to control independently. I.e water only, zone 1 only.

bk

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Some of us are using oil so Board Gais isn't a runner everywhere, I won't say what discount I got but it was a lot more than the 183 difference and at a cheaper kWh than you listed.

Bord Gais also do Electricity Only, the rate I quoted above is for their Electricity Only plan, not their dual fuel plan. Oil users can absolutely go with them for electricity.

In fact, even if you have Gas like I do, it is cheaper to go with BG for electricity and Flogas for the gas like I do.

If you got a cheaper rate then that is great for you. But I really don't like that sort of carry on. This just shows that they are ripping people off who don't think to call and haggle. I prefer companies who are transparent and up front. That is why I'll only ever give recommendations based on the prices advertised on the website.

deepimpact

I saw this and it's at the right time for me (timing unit is broken on my current unit and I'm out of contract with energia next week).

I have a Flash Programmer unit with hot water/heat and a water only setting. I don't think there are separate heating zones in the house, so would my situation require 2 Nests? One for heating, the other for water?

<edit> From reading up on it, it looks like one Nest should be enough, provided I don't have multiple rad zones. I'll try what the OP has suggested to get the unit rates down before I buy. Thanks drunkmonkey.

drunkmonkey

If you could get the switching bonus would be great. If you buy nest at sign up the 175 bonus disappears online.
Call them and see would you lose the switching bonus and 5% discount if you signed up today but decided you wanted a nest next week.

garbeth

I think that for each zone you have you need one nest. For each nest you need one heat link. The heat link is really just a box connected to you burner that the nest can turn on and off. The nest thermostat replaces your timer box on the wall and where you would press boost to heat water you would now do so on the nest.

So if you can turn your rads upstairs on and off independently of each other and you can heat water then you need three nests.

drunkmonkey

garbeth wrote: »

I think that for each zone you have you need one nest. For each nest you need one heat link. The heat link is really just a box connected to you burner that the nest can turn on and off. The nest thermostat replaces your timer box on the wall and where you would press boost to heat water you would now do so on the nest.

So if you can turn your rads upstairs on and off independently of each other and you can heat water then you need three nests.

The nest 3rd gen it's the latest one EI are doing lets you do 1 zone and hot water, so in the set up you've described you'd need a second nest to control the 3rd zone only.
No need for a 3rd nest.
You can do on nest, app, or pc.

ted1

garbeth wrote: »

I think that for each zone you have you need one nest. For each nest you need one heat link. The heat link is really just a box connected to you burner that the nest can turn on and off. The nest thermostat replaces your timer box on the wall and where you would press boost to heat water you would now do so on the nest.

So if you can turn your rads upstairs on and off independently of each other and you can heat water then you need three nests.

No that's wrong. The Nest does 2 zone + hot water

Uriel.

ted1 wrote: »

No that's wrong. The Nest does 2 zone + hot water

It doesn't do two independent zones?

lolliedog

Uriel. wrote: »

It doesn't do two independent zones?

This is getting very confusing. Does it not do a hot water zone and one heating (rad) zone.

Uriel.

lolliedog wrote: »

This is getting very confusing. Does it not do a hot water zone and one heating (rad) zone.

It can do, depending on your setup.
You need to check this out before purchasing though, If it's a deal breaker

drunkmonkey

It does 2 zones per nest, so if your doing hot water that's considered a zone.
So for 3 zones (upstairs, downstairs, hot water) you'll need 2 nests.

whiterebel

Phoebas wrote: »

I currently have a heating controller something like this (but with just one heating setting and a water setting).
It doesn't have a thermometer at all, but I can set the heating and the water to come on independently on a weekly schedule.
I can also 'boost' water, heating or both to come on for an hour (or two).

I presume the nest would replace that level of functionality?

I had exactly that unit for 3 zones. You set your specific temperature on the stat for the radiators. You set a timer for you hot water, or boost it as you have done with the unit you had.

whiterebel

lolliedog wrote: »

This is getting very confusing. Does it not do a hot water zone and one heating (rad) zone.

Yes it does.

ted1

Uriel. wrote: »

It doesn't do two independent zones?

Sorry that a typo it's 1 zone + water

Advbrd

Can someone explain this to a poor confused soul. Like some other posters I have two zones and hot water all with APT timers and valves controlled by thermostats in the two zones and on the tank. Cabling comes back to one central point where the three timers are located.

To replace this setup with Nest or similar, what is actually needed? The Nest units are thermostats. What else is needed? Leaving the hot water aside for the moment, the two heating zone thermostats would need to be replaced by Nest units in the locations in which they currently are located. What else is needed to switch on the boiler, open and shut the valves etc? Are my current valves defunct? If so, what replaces them?
Going back to the hot water: it can be controlled by a thermostat controlling one of the heating zones. How does this work? What additional equipment is required for this?

Alternately, can anyone recommend a multizoned networked controller to replace the three APT timers?

Advbrd

Why is everything I have posted today posting twice?