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Werewolf IV - All Hallows' Eve - GAME OVER - Villagers Win

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    #1832
    andy125
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    suffering golfer wrote: »
    So 4 games in and the wolves only won once. Lol sample size and all that but are the games set up too hard for the wolves to win?

    Last game the bad guys had more power than previous games, but the villagers are very good here


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    #1833
    Jayop
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    Two evil teams actually goes against the evils I think which seems counter intuitive but it appears to be true.


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    #1834
    tritium
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    suffering golfer wrote: »
    So 4 games in and the wolves only won once. Lol sample size and all that but are the games set up too hard for the wolves to win?
    Was wondering this too. I would say though that the games have been tight in the sense that they've all bar ww1 gone close to the wire, with mod tweaks in game as needed. Statistically i think that the size of wolf packs is about right at approx square root of number of players. But that assumes random choices and as players get more experienced it may favour villagers more. Its also hard to know how different role options change the balance, maybe Jayop (or anyone else) could give some insight as to how they typically balance roles.

    Now having said all that ive always been a villager and that one win for team wolf still hurts :)


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    #1835
    Jayop
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    There's a formula out there for balancing games going by standard characters. I can't remember exactly what it is but it works out something like a vanillager is worth 1 point, a seer is worth 3 points, a wolf is worth 5 points etc so you try to get them all balanced out like that. Personally I go with my gut and what I think will be a fun game is more important than balancing.

    TBF, from the 4 games we've played it's 3/1 to the village, but one of those games had Tigger blowing up the evil team in the first few turns so it's probably been pretty well balanced here in every game. Ideally when we have 20 odd games the win results should be close to 50/50 with maybe 1 serial killer win.


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    #1836
    quickbeam
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    The lunatic idea is great. It's not a predefined role, so can be used for balancing a game mid-way through.


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    #1837
    Jayop
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    I'm not a big fan of trying to balance games midgame by a mod for anything other than fixing imbalance caused by modkills. If one side is getting their arse kicked in the normal run of a game then tough luck to them.


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    #1838
    The_Valeyard
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Two evil teams actually goes against the evils I think which seems counter intuitive but it appears to be true.

    so, your saying we need some sort of rogues gallery?


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    #1839
    Jayop
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    so, your saying we need some sort of rogues gallery?

    I think the problem with the wolf teams is one person who keeps being on them when they lose.... :D


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    #1840
    andy125
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    so, your saying we need some sort of rogues gallery?

    Allowing the evil teams to send anonymous messages to each other could work also


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    #1841
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    andy125 wrote: »
    Allowing the evil teams to send anonymous messages to each other could work also

    I've an idea for that too.


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    #1842
    The_Valeyard
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    Jayop wrote: »
    I think the problem with the wolf teams is one person who keeps being on them when they lose.... :D

    I do believe i was a good wolf when the village won :P


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    #1843
    A Neurotic
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    Jayop wrote:
    TBF, from the 4 games we've played it's 3/1 to the village, but one of those games had Tigger blowing up the evil team in the first few turns so it's probably been pretty well balanced here in every game. Ideally when we have 20 odd games the win results should be close to 50/50 with maybe 1 serial killer win.


    Also game III came down to the wire, with the last lynch literally coming to 50/50 chance of village or Lannister win. Could very easily have gone the other way.


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    #1844
    Jayop
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    Very true!!


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    #1845
    Barney92
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    I reckon they've been weighted just fine so far. If I'd convinced one more person to vote with me in the third game the baddies would have won. I think if the good side win each of the next couple then maybe we could look at altering it.


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    #1846
    The_Valeyard
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    Barney92 wrote: »
    I reckon they've been weighted just fine so far. If I'd convinced one more person to vote with me in the third game the baddies would have won. I think if the good side win each of the next couple then maybe we could look at altering it.

    nearly dude, very nearly succeeded.


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