TV Licence Question?

Adamzapple777

Do you need a TV Licence in Irleland if you have a TV solely to be used for a Wii and a media player?
A relative has moved into an apartment and has a TV with no cable, satellite, free view etc and no requirement for any. They just want to play with the Wii and watch the occasional movie on the media player.

emo72

if the tv cant receive a tv signal then no. basically you want a monitor. but if it can receive a signal then yes you need a license.

artanevilla

If it has a connector in the back for an aerial it needs a licence.

Adamzapple777

Thanks, but which is it?
The TV has an aerial socket I think but there is no aerial of any kind in the house so it can't receive a signal.
This is a student house and the people living there have no interest in watching RTE or any other TV channel, they won't be there long enough to warrant buying a TV Licence for a year.
They have no problem allowing a TV inspector to verify the setup if necessary.

brian_t

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

Gatling

Adamzapple777 wrote: »

They have no problem allowing a TV inspector to verify the setup if necessary.

Unfortunately as long as they have an actual TV then they need a licence ,

artanevilla

Adamzapple777 wrote: »

Thanks, but which is it?
The TV has an aerial socket I think but there is no aerial of any kind in the house so it can't receive a signal.
This is a student house and the people living there have no interest in watching RTE or any other TV channel, they won't be there long enough to warrant buying a TV Licence for a year.
They have no problem allowing a TV inspector to verify the setup if necessary.

If it has an aerial socket it's capable of receiving a signal, whether there's a aerial in the house or not. Even if it's sitting out in the shed under a pile of coats it still technically needs a licence.

blackwhite

Adamzapple777 wrote: »

Thanks, but which is it?
The TV has an aerial socket I think but there is no aerial of any kind in the house so it can't receive a signal.
This is a student house and the people living there have no interest in watching RTE or any other TV channel, they won't be there long enough to warrant buying a TV Licence for a year.
They have no problem allowing a TV inspector to verify the setup if necessary.

If the TV is capable of receiving a signal then you need a licence.

Whether or not it is actually connected to an aerial or cable connection is irrelevent, once it is capable of being connected to one a licence is required.


EDIT - Artaneville beat me to it!

Carawaystick

If you remove the aerial socket, it no longer can receive a signal. Crushing the socket, so the outside touches the inner bit will short out any signal, so none can be received.

brian_t

Carawaystick wrote: »

If you remove the aerial socket, it no longer can receive a signal. Crushing the socket, so the outside touches the inner bit will short out any signal, so none can be received.

According to my link above.

Even if the television or other equipment is broken and currently unable to receive a signal, it is regarded as capable of being repaired so it can receive a signal and you must hold a licence for it.

Carawaystick

brian_t wrote: »

According to my link above.

It's not the first, and it won't be the last time citizensinformation was completely wrong about anything.

Broadcasting act 2009 S140 wrote:

television set ” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

If the apparatus is incapable of receiving broadcasting services by shorting out the tuner, it was a tv, and possibly could be a tv in the future, but in the present, is not a tv.

Discodog

Carawaystick wrote: »

It's not the first, and it won't be the last time citizensinformation was completely wrong about anything.



If the apparatus is incapable of receiving broadcasting services by shorting out the tuner, it was a tv, and possibly could be a tv in the future, but in the present, is not a tv.

Correct. A friend of mine used to repair tv's. He has been asked on several occasions to remove the tuner so that it can only be used as a monitor. Apparently big tvs are cheaper than big monitors. He does a letter confirming that the tv is no longer a tv .

rawn

Wasn't there a case where a man was brought to court over non-payment and the case was dismissed as he could prove the TV he had could not receive a signal?

GM228

Carawaystick wrote: »

It's not the first, and it won't be the last time citizensinformation was completely wrong about anything.



If the apparatus is incapable of receiving broadcasting services by shorting out the tuner, it was a tv, and possibly could be a tv in the future, but in the present, is not a tv.

A TV does not necessarily need a tuner to be liable for the fee, so unless the SCART and HDMI sockets were also removed (or not fitted in the first place) simply breaking the coax cables still makes it possible to receive and display TV signals via an external device such as a Saorview box.

Losty Dublin

rawn wrote: »

Wasn't there a case where a man was brought to court over non-payment and the case was dismissed as he could prove the TV he had could not receive a signal?

A user on here made such an assertion some time ago. Make what you will of that

Adamzapple777

Let me be clear, they're not trying to find a loophole around the rules to avoid paying the license fee, they just want to avoid having to pay for something they have absolutely no intention of using. I thought the whole point of the TV Licence fee was to subsidise RTÉ, they won't be watching RTE, ITV, BBC, Sky or any form of broadcast TV.

rawn

Losty Dublin wrote: »

A user on here made such an assertion some time ago. Make what you will of that

I have no idea of that discussion

emo72

GM228 wrote: »

A TV does not necessarily need a tuner to be liable for the fee, so unless the SCART and HDMI sockets were also removed (or not fitted in the first place) simply breaking the coax cables still makes it possible to receive and display TV signals via an external device such as a Saorview box.

That doesn't make sense. How would you connect it to your PC then? You need some input for the monitor to display content.

homingbird

Wasnt there talk of changing the tv licence to call it a media licence as you can watch rte from your pc.

CPTM

Adamzapple777 wrote:

Let me be clear, they're not trying to find a loophole around the rules to avoid paying the license fee, they just want to avoid having to pay for something they have absolutely no intention of using. I thought the whole point of the TV Licence fee was to subsidise RTÉ, they won't be watching RTE, ITV, BBC, Sky or any form of broadcast TV.

I hear you, am the same myself. I have no interest in RTE or any of the rest of them. But they've no way of knowing that for sure so I guess they just look whether there's a tv and that's it. I've seen cases where even if they don't have anyone answering the door, if they see a tv through the window they send a summons to court. They'll have internet access through their Wii right? So they'll have access to rte player? What's the rule on that? Laptops etc therefore in scope?

Carawaystick

GM228 wrote: »

A TV does not necessarily need a tuner to be liable for the fee, so unless the SCART and HDMI sockets were also removed (or not fitted in the first place) simply breaking the coax cables still makes it possible to receive and display TV signals via an external device such as a Saorview box.

So all monitors need a tv license by that reckoning?

The apparatus has to be cabable of receiving broadcasting services. a seperate tuner box together with a hdmi cable and a monitor is a tv, but no tuner, no tv.

Otherwise where do you stop? a coat hanger is capable of receiving a tv signal as long as its connected to a tv... do I need a tv license for my coat hanger?

GM228

Carawaystick wrote: »

So all monitors need a tv license by that reckoning?

The apparatus has to be cabable of receiving broadcasting services. a seperate tuner box together with a hdmi cable and a monitor is a tv, but no tuner, no tv.

Otherwise where do you stop? a coat hanger is capable of receiving a tv signal as long as its connected to a tv... do I need a tv license for my coat hanger?

Actually no the aperatus itself does not need to have a tuner.

A TV simply needs to be able to receive and display a TV signal to be liable for a licence, whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it.

With regards to monitors, any monitor with a display size of more than 160 cm2, capable of displaying television channels distributed by conventional broadcast networks (e.g. cable, satellite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) using a television tuner card or related device is liable for the licence. So for example stick a Saorview box to a monitor and you need to get a licence.

Legislation is based on capability, not the actual use of.

emo72

Can all monitors receive a TV signal?

rawn

If I were to hook a projector up to my computer and use that to watch stuff on instead of a tv or monitor then there'd be no tv license needed?

Carawaystick

GM228 wrote: »

So for example stick a Saorview box to a monitor and you need to get a licence.

Would this saorview box have a tuner then? So you've a tuner and monitor?

Which needs a license. But no tuner = no license needed.

GM228

Carawaystick wrote: »

Would this saorview box have a tuner then? So you've a tuner and monitor?

Which needs a license. But no tuner = no license needed.

There is nothing in legislation about requiring a tuner, the requirement is simply that you can receive and view TV on an electronic apparatus, how you actually receive or decode the TV is not a requirement of the legislation.


From the TV Licence website:-
http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/TVLicence/TVLicenceStandard.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7b0C160E7A-4F62-4357-BC21-7FB999396792%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fAnPost%2fMainContent%2fPersonal%2bCustomers%2fMore%2bfrom%2bAn%2bPost%2fTV%2bLicence%2fGeneral%2bTV%2bLicence%2bFAQs%2ehtm&NRCACHEHINT=Guest#NoUpgrade

I only watch TV content on a monitor, Do I need a TV Licence?

You require a TV Licence in the following circumstances:

Connecting a SKY/Virgin Media/Saorview or any type of Digital TV Receiver to your monitor

Viewing any content provided by a TV service provider over broadband (e.g. Eir TV/Vodafone TV) on your monitor

Carawaystick

How can you receive a broadcast tv signal without a tuner?
If it's over the air or on cable, it needs to be mixed down from a carrier signal, and decoded aka tuned

If you get it from a decoder box it's still received and decided by the box. You need more than a monitor to exhibit the tv

GM228

Carawaystick wrote: »

How can you receive a broadcast tv signal without a tuner?

Via Broadband for example.

Viewing any content provided by a TV service provider over broadband (e.g. Eir TV/Vodafone TV) on your monitor

As I said the legislation is simply about a device with a capability of receiving and exhibiting a TV broadcast service (not a TV broadcast signal) whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it.

If you are viewing a TV broadcast service via Broadband you satisfy the legislative requirement and you don't even have a tuner - no tuner does not necessarily mean no licence.

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

Via Broadband for example.




As I said the legislation is simply about a device with a capability of receiving and exhibiting a TV broadcast service (not a TV broadcast signal) whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it.

If you are viewing a TV broadcast service via Broadband you satisfy the legislative requirement and you don't even have a tuner - no tuner does not necessarily mean no licence.

Then every PC, Laptop, Tablet & Phone requires a TV license as they can all receive television programmes via the internet.

A TV tuner is a device which can receive programmes when connected to an aerial. A computer can only do this if a TV reception card is part of the computer.

You do not require a television licence to watch television on your computer or mobile phone. However, the computer must not be able to receive a signal distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks, for example, cable, satellite or aerial.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html#l1f4da

The information from An Post is deliberately ambiguous.

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

Then every PC, Laptop, Tablet & Phone requires a TV license as they can all receive television programmes via the internet.

A TV tuner is a device which can receive programmes when connected to an aerial. A computer can only do this if a TV reception card is part of the computer.

You do not require a television licence to watch television on your computer or mobile phone. However, the computer must not be able to receive a signal distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks, for example, cable, satellite or aerial.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html#l1f4da

The information from An Post is deliberately ambiguous.

Any device with a screen size less than 160cm2 is exempt such as mobile phones, tablets, small laptops etc.

What is quoted by the TV Licence website re a broadband TV service is correct, legislation simply requires you to be able to receive and view TV broadcast services. Legislation excludes audio services via the internet but not TV broadcast services.

Citizens Information is not an accurate source of information, for example the quote you have given mentions conventional broadcasting networks, but legislation is actually based on electronic broadcasting networks which includes the internet.

The TV licence website is run by An Post in conjunction with the Department of Communications, Climate Action & Environment and is more accurate than CI.

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

Any device with a screen size less than 160cm2 is exempt such as mobile phones, tablets, small laptops etc.

What is quoted by the TV Licence website re a broadband TV service is correct, legislation simply requires you to be able to receive and view TV broadcast services. Legislation excludes audio services via the internet but not TV broadcast services.

Citizens Information is not an accurate source of information, for example the quote you have given mentions conventional broadcasting networks, but legislation is actually based on electronic broadcasting networks which includes the internet.

The TV licence website is run by An Post in conjunction with the Department of Communications, Climate Action & Environment and is more accurate than CI.

Can you link to the legislation rather than An Post's, who are new to tv enforcement. If you are correct then there would be no need for the proposed media tax.

Edit:
“television set” means any apparatus for wireless telegraphy designed primarily for the purpose of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith) and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1972/act/5/section/1/enacted/en/html#sec1

The highlighted clause ( my highlighting) clearly shows that a computer etc does not need a license as it's not it's primary purpose.

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

Can you link to the legislation rather than An Post's, who are new to tv enforcement. If you are correct then there would be no need for the proposed media tax.

Edit:
“television set” means any apparatus for wireless telegraphy designed primarily for the purpose of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith) and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1972/act/5/section/1/enacted/en/html#sec1

The highlighted clause ( my highlighting) clearly shows that a computer etc does not need a license as it's not it's primary purpose.

"Primary purpose" does not come into play. The definition from the 1972 Act was amended to read:-

“Television set” means any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith) and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

Also your quote doesn't clearly show a computer etc dosn't require one as your quoting the wrong Act anyway.

TV Licences are issued under the Broadcasting Act 2009:-

“ television set ” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

"Primary purpose" does not come into play. The definition from the 1972 Act was amended to read:-




Also your quote doesn't clearly show a computer etc dosn't require one as your quoting the wrong Act anyway.

TV Licences are issued under the Broadcasting Act 2009:-

What's the definition of general reception ? A TV or a device with a TV tuner. Not a computer.

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

What's the definition of general reception ? A TV or a device with a TV tuner. Not a computer.

General reception isn't defined in any of the Acts, but it's in relation to the type of broadcast sent - it means a broadast which is for widespread reception, what has that got to do with a tuner? A general broadcast can be sent via the internet.

If you reveive the broadcast on a computer via a device you are reveiving the broadcast and liable to the licence.

Johnboy1951

Carawaystick wrote: »

How can you receive a broadcast tv signal without a tuner?
If it's over the air or on cable, it needs to be mixed down from a carrier signal, and decoded aka tuned

If you get it from a decoder box it's still received and decided by the box. You need more than a monitor to exhibit the tv

GM228 wrote: »

General reception isn't defined in any of the Acts, but it's in relation to the type of broadcast sent - it means a broadast which is for widespread reception, what has that got to do with a tuner? A general broadcast can be sent via the internet.

If you reveive the broadcast on a computer via a device you are reveiving the broadcast and liable to the licence.

It refers to a wireless telegraphy broadcast signal, as you quoted earlier

GM228 wrote:

“Television set” means any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith) and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

Reception of IPTV is not required to be licenced at present.

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

General reception isn't defined in any of the Acts, but it's in relation to the type of broadcast sent - it means a broadast which is for widespread reception, what has that got to do with a tuner? A general broadcast can be sent via the internet.

If you reveive the broadcast on a computer via a device you are reveiving the broadcast and liable to the licence.

I believe, based on what an Inspector told me a couple of years ago, that it means normal everyday tv. A signal produced by the broadcaster that is transmitted.

So a Sky box needs a license, Saorview box does, a dvd recorder does if it has a tuner but a computer doesn't. I remember seeing some laptops for sale that had tv tuners - referred to a media centres. They had a sticker on stating that they needed a license. Non of the other ones did.

TheChizler

The text has been quoted a few times, but there's a general catch all in the legislation which technically means a monitor needs a licence, the bit about whether it's use is dependent or not on some external apparatus. As people have pointed out they don't tend to prosecute when you have a monitor, and cases have been dismissed when tuners have been disabled, but you're basically betting on what they're willing to prosecute or the judge's mood on the day. Nobody can say with 100% certainty what's ok, but a basic PC monitor or projector will probably be ok.

Johnboy1951

TheChizler wrote: »

The text has been quoted a few times, but there's a general catch all in the legislation which technically means a monitor needs a licence, the bit about whether it's use is dependent or not on some external apparatus. As people have pointed out they don't tend to prosecute when you have a monitor, and cases have been dismissed when tuners have been disabled, but you're basically betting on what they're willing to prosecute or the judge's mood on the day. Nobody can say with 100% certainty what's ok, but a basic PC monitor or projector will probably be ok.

No, a monitor on its own does not need a licence and there is nothing in the legislation that says it does.
A monitor (the display unit) in combination with a tuner (receive broadcast e.g STB or a USB tuner in a PC etc etc) would require a licence.
There is no ambiguity.

Discodog

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

No, a monitor on its own does not need a licence and there is nothing in the legislation that says it does.
A monitor (the display unit) in combination with a tuner (receive broadcast e.g STB or a USB tuner in a PC etc etc) would require a licence.
There is no ambiguity.

Exactly because a monitor on it's own can't receive tv signals.

TheChizler

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

TheChizler wrote: »

The text has been quoted a few times, but there's a general catch all in the legislation which technically means a monitor needs a licence, the bit about whether it's use is dependent or not on some external apparatus. As people have pointed out they don't tend to prosecute when you have a monitor, and cases have been dismissed when tuners have been disabled, but you're basically betting on what they're willing to prosecute or the judge's mood on the day. Nobody can say with 100% certainty what's ok, but a basic PC monitor or projector will probably be ok.

No, a monitor on its own does not need a licence and there is nothing in the legislation that says it does.
A monitor (the display unit) in combination with a tuner (receive broadcast e.g STB or a USB tuner in a PC etc etc) would require a licence.
There is no ambiguity.

I know, but this is the part of legislation I'm referring to:

whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it

It is capable of receiving and displaying a television signal if some sort of set top box converts the television signal into a signal format the monitor can process. I'm not in favour of this applying, I just don't see how this quote doesn't technically catch any sort of monitor or projector. Tvs these days are just PC monitors with integrated set top boxes.

The legislation is deliberately vague and open. That said you're likely to get away with it.

Discodog

TheChizler wrote: »

I know, but this is the part of legislation I'm referring to:



It is capable of receiving and displaying a television signal if some sort of set top box converts the television signal into a signal format the monitor can process. I'm not in favour of this applying, I just don't see how this quote doesn't technically catch any sort of monitor or projector. Tvs these days are just PC monitors with integrated set top boxes.

The legislation is deliberately vague and open. That said you're likely to get away with it.

Where does that quote come from ? It would mean that an aerial or dish would need a license when I know that it doesn't.

TheChizler

Discodog wrote: »

TheChizler wrote: »

I know, but this is the part of legislation I'm referring to:



It is capable of receiving and displaying a television signal if some sort of set top box converts the television signal into a signal format the monitor can process. I'm not in favour of this applying, I just don't see how this quote doesn't technically catch any sort of monitor or projector. Tvs these days are just PC monitors with integrated set top boxes.

The legislation is deliberately vague and open. That said you're likely to get away with it.

Where does that quote come from ? It would mean that an aerial or dish would need a license when I know that it doesn't.

Broadcasting act. It's been quoted above somewhere. Very technically yes; by referring to the law alone it would (and the law is deliberately vague and ridiculous; technically a piece of coax would need a licence since you could receive and display a signal if you added a tv). In practice no, but I'm only referring to legislation.

Discodog

Maybe they would be better explaining who doesn't need a license rather than focusing on your name in the paper :pac:

GM228

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It refers to a wireless telegraphy broadcast signal, as you quoted earlier

That's incorrect, TV Licences are issued under the Broadcasting Act 2009 (Section 143) as I already stated, not the Wireless Telegraphy Acts, infact neither "wireless" or "telegraphy" come into play or are even mentioned for a TV licence or a broadcast in the 2009 Act.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Reception of IPTV is not required to be licenced at present.

Also incorrect, if you make yourself familiar with the 2009 Act you will see IPTV does require a TV licence, it is specifically mentioned as a valid electronic communications network which is transmitted for a broadcast service.


Any laptop, PC, monitor etc with a display size of more than 160 cm2, capable of displaying television channels distributed by a broadcast network (e.g. cable, satellite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) using a television tuner card or related device require a licence.

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

That's incorrect, TV Licences are issued under the Broadcasting Act 2009 (Section 143) as I already stated, not the Wireless Telegraphy Acts, infact neither "wireless" or "telegraphy" come into play or are even mentioned for a TV licence or a broadcast in the 2009 Act.




Also incorrect, if you make yourself familiar with the 2009 Act you will see IPTV does require a TV licence, it is specifically mentioned as a valid electronic communications network which is transmitted for a broadcast service.


Any laptop, PC, monitor etc with a display size of more than 160 cm2, capable of displaying television channels distributed by a broadcast network (e.g. cable, satellite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) using a television tuner card or related device require a licence.

So you are really saying that every single tablet, laptop & pc in the State requires a TV License. Expect a long queue at your local Post Office :rolleyes:

If you have a television set at your business premises it is your legal obligation to have a valid TV Licence. There is no requirement to have a TV Licence for each set as one TV Licence covers all TV sets at a single premises.

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/More+from+An+Post/TV+Licence/TV+Licence+home

No mention of computers.

Discodog

I suggested earlier than, not unexpectedly, An Post have got it wrong.

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks (i.e cable, satillite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) e.g. using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a Television Licence.

http://www.dccae.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/broadcasting-media/Pages/TV-Licence-FAQs.aspx#

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

So you are really saying that every single tablet, laptop & pc in the State requires a TV License. Expect a long queue at your local Post Office :rolleyes:

If you have a television set at your business premises it is your legal obligation to have a valid TV Licence. There is no requirement to have a TV Licence for each set as one TV Licence covers all TV sets at a single premises.

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/More+from+An+Post/TV+Licence/TV+Licence+home

No mention of computers.

Every single laptop, PC and tablet?

Every device with a 160cm2 or more screen meets the requirement for a licence. Obviously you only require one licence per premises, I never said otherwise.

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

I suggested earlier than, not unexpectedly, An Post have got it wrong.

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks (i.e cable, satillite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) e.g. using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a Television Licence.

http://www.dccae.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/broadcasting-media/Pages/TV-Licence-FAQs.aspx#

So how have An Post got it wrong? Your quote backs up exactly what they have said!

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

Every single laptop, PC and tablet?

Every device with a 160cm2 or more screen meets the requirement for a licence.

12cm x 12cm :rolleyes:

Discodog

GM228 wrote: »

Via Broadband for example.
As I said the legislation is simply about a device with a capability of receiving and exhibiting a TV broadcast service (not a TV broadcast signal) whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it.
If you are viewing a TV broadcast service via Broadband you satisfy the legislative requirement and you don't even have a tuner - no tuner does not necessarily mean no licence.

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks (i.e cable, satillite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) e.g. using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a Television Licence.

An Post:

I only watch TV content on a monitor, Do I need a TV Licence?
You require a TV Licence in the following circumstances:

Connecting a SKY/Virgin Media/Saorview or any type of Digital TV Receiver to your monitor
Viewing any content provided by a TV service provider over broadband (e.g. Eir TV/Vodafone TV) on your monitor

Department of Communications:

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No.

GM228

Discodog wrote: »

12cm x 12cm :rolleyes:

Close, it's actually 12.65cm x 12.65cm

Discodog wrote: »

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks (i.e cable, satillite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) e.g. using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a Television Licence.

An Post:

I only watch TV content on a monitor, Do I need a TV Licence?
You require a TV Licence in the following circumstances:

Connecting a SKY/Virgin Media/Saorview or any type of Digital TV Receiver to your monitor
Viewing any content provided by a TV service provider over broadband (e.g. Eir TV/Vodafone TV) on your monitor

Department of Communications:

Q. Do I require a TV Licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?

A. No.

Perhaps you should re-read your quotes beyond the "no", both quotes agree with each other.

This is the important part:-

"No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting network using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a Television Licence"

If your watching a broadcast over the internet then your computer is able to display and the no becomes "yes"!