2018 National Road Speed Limit Review

marno21

Over the past few years, audits have taken place on the country's roads on whether speed limits in certain areas are appropriate to the condition of the road

The fruits of these audits are now being implemented in Co. Clare, where:

* The N67 through Co. Clare will be reduced from 100km/h to 80km/h
* Stretches of the N68 Ennis-Kilrush and N85 Ennis-Ennistymon road will be reduced from 100km/h to 80km/h
* Stretches of the R352 Ennis-Portumna road will be increased from 80km/h to 100km/h.

http://www.clare.fm/news/speed-limits-be-reduced-clare-roads

SeanW

Is there any mechanism for members of the public to make observations on or dispute speed limits in any area? Or to question the rationale behind some?

marno21

N14 (N56??) between Polestar and Dry Arch Roundabouts in Letterkenny to be reduced to 80km/h. Sensible considering the amount of entrances on the road and the high traffic volume

https://www.donegalnow.com/news/speed-limits-changed-across-donegal-road-network/143099

Carawaystick

SeanW wrote: »

Is there any mechanism for members of the public to make observations on or dispute speed limits in any area? Or to question the rationale behind some?

You could ask your td or make an aie request to the nra or local authorithy

marno21

Proposed limit changes in the Athlone area:

http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/02/10/4134742-speed-limit-changes-mooted-across-athlone-area/

Decoda

www.speedlimits.ie

Website with lots of different information about local authorities updating their bye laws etc.

D.

Victor

SeanW wrote: »

Is there any mechanism for members of the public to make observations on or dispute speed limits in any area? Or to question the rationale behind some?

Any time bye-laws are revised, the public has a month to make observations. These observations are usually summarised in a report with a yes/no and a reasoning. They don't normally get into reasoning of existing speed limits.

jrar

Decoda wrote: »

www.speedlimits.ie

Website with lots of different information about local authorities updating their bye laws etc.

D.

Got to love the photo they use in their banner which appears to show a single car on a completely empty motorway/dual carriageway, and yes, they're driving in the overtaking lane !

marno21

Old N7/R445 Limerick-Nenagh, which had speed limit reduced after retrofitting of cycle lanes, is to have 100km/h limit restored.

http://www.nenaghguardian.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/03/03/4135951-new-speed-limit-for-old-nenaghlimerick-road/

marno21

Major changes proposed in Co. Westmeath

http://www.westmeathexaminer.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/03/09/4136330-speed-limits-to-change-publics-opinions-sought/

marno21

Uproar at TII's plans to reduce sections of the N59, N63, N67 and N84 in Co. Galway to 80km/h.

https://galwaybayfm.ie/transport-infrastructure-ireland-accused-cuts-stealth-ahead-galway-road-re-classifications/

Kevwoody

marno21 wrote: »

Uproar at TII's plans to reduce sections of the N59, N63, N67 and N84 in Co. Galway to 80km/h.

https://galwaybayfm.ie/transport-infrastructure-ireland-accused-cuts-stealth-ahead-galway-road-re-classifications/

I almost spat my tea out when I read that he thinks Galway are only getting the crumbs left on the table in regards to road spending!!
Has he not heard of a wee project called the M17/18??

Anyway he's only stealing this argument from a councillor in Donegal who also said TII should be fixing roads instead of "dropping limits and washing their hands of the problem ". The simple reality is they can't upgrade every single stretch of road, and dropping limits on narrow secondary roads is a good start.

marno21

Kevwoody wrote: »

I almost spat my tea out when I read that he thinks Galway are only getting the crumbs left on the table in regards to road spending!!
Has he not heard of a wee project called the M17/18??

Anyway he's only stealing this argument from a councillor in Donegal who also said TII should be fixing roads instead of "dropping limits and washing their hands of the problem ". The simple reality is they can't upgrade every single stretch of road, and dropping limits on narrow secondary roads is a good start.

Not even just the M17/M18, the city bypass, N59 Moycullen bypass, N84 Luimnagh opened last year, N59 around Oughterard which was fully funded but didn't get planning approval, N63 Abbeyknockmoy-Annagh Hill, N17 realignments around Milltown etc

Galway is getting substantially more road funding than most counties, but for the politicians they think the €1.4bn isn't enough

Victor

This map may take a moment to load, but it shows the current national roads and the M17-18 under construction: http://url.ie/11u96

Galway County has 2.44 metres of national road per capita (4th highest in country, but 20th on density (km road / km²)). Surroundaing counties Roscommon and Mayo are first and second respectively. They aren't doing too badly.

Galway City has 0.21 metres of national road per capita (26th highest in country, but second on density (km road / km²)).

I'd be tempted to delist the following as national routes:
* Current N17 south of Tuam.
* Current N18 (except short section N67-M18).
* N63 east of M17.
* All N66.
* I'd be tempted to add the N83 and N84 to the list.

Donegal Storm

marno21 wrote: »

N14 (N56??) between Polestar and Dry Arch Roundabouts in Letterkenny to be reduced to 80km/h. Sensible considering the amount of entrances on the road and the high traffic volume

https://www.donegalnow.com/news/speed-limits-changed-across-donegal-road-network/143099

Proposal to have pedestrian lights installed by the Clanree Hotel just off the Dry Arch Roundabout amongst other changes.

http://www.highlandradio.com/2017/06/13/proposed-lk-port-road-project-coming-under-scrutiny/

I assume this would mean the speed limit will need to be reduced further as a pedestrian crossing on an 80kph road sounds like a recipe for disaster. Will hopefully further the push for the badly needed Bonagee relief road

marno21

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Proposal to have pedestrian lights installed by the Clanree Hotel just off the Dry Arch Roundabout amongst other changes.

http://www.highlandradio.com/2017/06/13/proposed-lk-port-road-project-coming-under-scrutiny/

I assume this would mean the speed limit will need to be reduced further as a pedestrian crossing on an 80kph road sounds like a recipe for disaster. Will hopefully further the push for the badly needed Bonagee relief road

Bonagee relief road is at the first stage (of 7) of planning. Will be 5-6 years at minimum.

I understand the three Donegal schemes (the other two being the N14, and Ballybofey/Stranorlar BP) are being progressed full steam ahead given the need to provide infrastructure in Donegal.

Victor

Donegal Storm wrote: »

I assume this would mean the speed limit will need to be reduced further as a pedestrian crossing on an 80kph road sounds like a recipe for disaster.

I imagine its not great trying to cross the road now.

In Cork they to increase the speed limit on a road with traffic lights to 100km/h.

marno21

Victor wrote: »

I imagine its not great trying to cross the road now.

In Cork they to increase the speed limit on a road with traffic lights to 100km/h.

Which road is this, the South Link?

Victor

marno21 wrote: »

Which road is this, the South Link?

South City Link Road, up from 80 to 100 km/h. slip roads to South Douglas Road to 80 km/h. :rolleyes:

Donegal Storm

marno21 wrote: »

Bonagee relief road is at the first stage (of 7) of planning. Will be 5-6 years at minimum.

I understand the three Donegal schemes (the other two being the N14, and Ballybofey/Stranorlar BP) are being progressed full steam ahead given the need to provide infrastructure in Donegal.

Twin Towns bypass has been full steam ahead since the 90s and yet here we are!

That section of Port Road in LK has an aadt of over 30000 so adding traffic calming measures and pedestrian lights isn't exactly going to help with the gridlock in the town.

marno21

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Twin Towns bypass has been full steam ahead since the 90s and yet here we are!

That section of Port Road in LK has an aadt of over 30000 so adding traffic calming measures and pedestrian lights isn't exactly going to help with the gridlock in the town.

Unfortunately, in light of the changes to the Department of Public Expenditure's Project Appraisal Guidelines, the Twin Towns bypass has to start from scratch.

Given the amount of accesses along that route 100km/h is likely to cause more issues than 80km/h. 80k shouldn't be an issue due to its length, and the fact that you can't do 80k along there most of the time anyway due to congestion.

Doltanian

marno21 wrote: »

Most national roads that were never upgraded will be limited to 80km/h. Large stretches of road in Cork will be subject to this

And a speed van around every corner, I really wish there was a peoples revolution soon in this country because it is gone beyond a joke what we are being subjected to here.

Aontachtoir

marno21 wrote: »

Most national roads that were never upgraded will be limited to 80km/h. Large stretches of road in Cork will be subject to this

About time really. Inappropriately high speed limits have been a problem on this country's roads for decades. 100 km/h on the N-road boreens in Co. Kerry anyone? Dropping the limit to 80 on non-upgraded national roads will not only help to improve road safety, it will help increase pressure on the national and local governments to deliver road improvements across the country.

Any word on when the speed limit review will be published Marno?

marno21

The Speed Limit Review is now coming to a close and new speed limits should be rolled out by the summer. Most legacy/unupgraded national roads will be downgraded from 100km/h to 80km/h, and certain 50km/h and 60km/h zones with inappropriately long lengths will be reduced or cut altogether

Here is the Limerick review for example: https://www.limerick.ie/sites/default/files/media/documents/2017-12/National%20Road%20Speed%20Limit%20Review%20Monthly%20Meeting%20of%20Municipal%20District%20of%20Newcastle%20West%2013th%20Dec%202017.pdf

Some examples of speed limits already reduced.

The N28 between Carrs Hill and Shannonpark has been reduced to 80km/h
The unupgraded section of N22 east of Macroom has been reduced to 80km/h
A section of the N24 between Bansha and Cahir has been reduced to 80km/h

Any more changes spotted - feel free to post

D Trent

The N3 exiting Ballyshannon Co Donegal to the NI border at Belleek is 80km/h down from 100 as of 2 months ago

JohnC.

Hadn't thought about it possibly being part of this until now but...

N24 out of Waterford from Quarry Roundabout to past Grannagh was reduced from 100 to 80.
A short buffer of 80 when entering Mooncoin (also N24 from Waterford) where it used to go straight from 100 to 50. Then past Mooncoin on the other side, it increases to 100 a bit earlier than it used to.

Kevwoody

In the next week or so:
Ballyvourney bends reduced to 80.
Bad bends south of Buttevant also down to 80.
Bandon relief road going up to 60.
N71 between Ballydehob and Bantry reduced to 80.
Around 2/3 of villages on N71 are getting existing limits moved either closer or further from village.

Speed limits coming into Ballyvourney from Kerry have been moved out to where the climbing lane begins.

All N20, N22, should be complete this week.
N71, 72, 73 before the end of April.
N25, 27, 28 are completed.

Edit: the above roads are only the Cork sections. The Kerry sections of the N22, 71 and 72 will be done later this year.
Same applies to Limerick section of N20, and Waterford section of the N25.

Roadrunner99

Will the cork to macroom road for the most part stay at 100km/h? From the town to just outside of lissarda brought down to 80km/h over the last few days.

Kevwoody

Roadrunner99 wrote:

Will the cork to macroom road for the most part stay at 100km/h? From the town to just outside of lissarda brought down to 80km/h over the last few days.

No changes whatsoever from Cork to 4 Mile Bridge between Lissarda and Macroom.
Macroom to start of Ballyvourney bends is also staying 100 km/h.

marno21

Roads with a pavement width of less than 6.5m will be reduced, 6.5-7 will be reduced at the LA's discretion and over 7m will remain at 100km/h unless there are severe alignment constraints

Kevwoody there'll surely be large swathes of the N71, N72 and N73 going down to 80?

Kevwoody

marno21 wrote:

Kevwoody there'll surely be large swathes of the N71, N72 and N73 going down to 80?

I'll have a look at the N71 maps in more detail and post later when i get home.
As for the N72 and N73, i haven't looked at them yet, and it will be nearer the end of April before any changes are implemented.

blindsider

Any suggestion that the N25 Waterford By-pass might be increased from 100 to 120KPH?

Was there some talk that this might happen?

Leonard Hofstadter

N20 near Buttevant now down to 80, drove past there this afternoon.

Decoda

No changes to the mainline N11, N25, N30 and the N80 in Wexford. All to remain100km/h. The public consultation phase just closed last week and I believe they are looking at an implementation date in July for any changes following proposed adoption by members in June. The only alterations proposed were the tightening up of existing built up speed limits at most of the villages and towns with minor stretches of 80km/h on the outskirts of Enniscorthy town (N11 and N30) and New Ross town (N30 only coming from Clonroche direction)

D.

Carawaystick

Victor wrote: »

I'd be tempted to delist the following as national routes:
....
* All N66.
.

The N66 has been upgraded to a reasonable standard over the last few years, and the alternative n65/m6/m18 is much much longer.


What did Brian Cowen do to get the Tullamore to Moate road through Clara de-trunked without any issues?

marno21

Carawaystick wrote: »

The N66 has been upgraded to a reasonable standard over the last few years, and the alternative n65/m6/m18 is much much longer.


What did Brian Cowen do to get the Tullamore to Moate road through Clara de-trunked without any issues?

The N66 is now the R380. Traffic is down to just over 2000 AADT. The main M6-M18 route is now covered by the motorways. Local Gort-Loughrea traffic can continue to use the R road, which doesn't merit an N number

AugustusMinimus

I can see the R585 being reduced to 80kph. No need for it IMO and will add significant journey time for those commuting from West Cork to the city.

Victor

Carawaystick wrote: »

What did Brian Cowen do to get the Tullamore to Moate road through Clara de-trunked without any issues?

Had the M6 and Tullamore ring road built.

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I can see the R585 being reduced to 80kph. No need for it IMO and will add significant journey time for those commuting from West Cork to the city.

Hasn't the R585 been reduced to 80km/h already?

If the main route from west Cork to the city wasn't an overcongested mess it might entice people to use that route instead rather than the R585 which is narrow and bumpy.

zilog_jones

captainspeed wrote: »

N20 near Buttevant now down to 80, drove past there this afternoon.

You mean the south side by the quarry? Pretty much impossible to drive any faster there with all those sharp bends anyway.

AugustusMinimus

Has the Waterford bypass been upgraded to 120kph. Don’t understand why it is 100kph.

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Has the Waterford bypass been upgraded to 120kph. Don’t understand why it is 100kph.

I don't understand either. 120 would make the journey even faster and would make it more attractive especially for such a failure of a road from the PPP concessionaire's point of view

Leonard Hofstadter

marno21 wrote: »

I don't understand either. 120 would make the journey even faster and would make it more attractive especially for such a failure of a road from the PPP concessionaire's point of view

Same with me. Another bugbear of mine is the 100 limit on the Sligo dual carriageway - it's well capable of the full 120 (and more if we didn't have such low speed limits on motorways).

loyatemu

N11 from J12 to J14 (where the motorway starts) could handle 120 as well.

marno21

N72 & N73 from Mallow east have substantial sections of 80km/h running now. From what I've seen none can be argued with.

Victor

Galway to have more revisions this year. https://galwaybayfm.ie/public-to-have-say-on-changes-to-speed-limits-across-the-county/

Is there somewhere that lists all the TII speed limit reports?

marno21

Victor wrote: »

Galway to have more revisions this year. https://galwaybayfm.ie/public-to-have-say-on-changes-to-speed-limits-across-the-county/

Is there somewhere that lists all the TII speed limit reports?

They haven't been published yet afaik, apart from the Limerick one linked before (which hasn't been implemented yet). All reports from me and most others have been anecdotal.

Limerick74

Victor wrote: »

Galway to have more revisions this year. https://galwaybayfm.ie/public-to-have-say-on-changes-to-speed-limits-across-the-county/

Is there somewhere that lists all the TII speed limit reports?

www.speedlimits.ie

Chris_5339762

Newlands Cross outbound is now 100kmh from the start of the flyover. Used to be 80kmh all the way to the west side of the bridge at the junction merge.

AugustusMinimus

marno21 wrote: »

N72 & N73 from Mallow east have substantial sections of 80km/h running now. From what I've seen none can be argued with.

As national routes come, the N72 is a disgrace and this speed limit reduction only highlights the issue.

roadmaster

Can TII not set speed limits on national secondary’s rather the LA’s so there is less diffferences. The N52 at the Meath / Westmeath border was suppose to be changed but it’s still 100 in Westmeath and 80 in Meath