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Roundabouts, because these threads are always great!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Ok so the moving left bit is good/advanced driving but not 'normal'. You would approach in the RHL to go straight if the left lane was full of people waiting to turn left but it was congested etc.. After you pass that exit you move left, to take the next exit. Which is what you said, and I agree this is what I would do, and is good driving.

    This is what I was arguing for as being the circumstance to go straight from the RHL at the start of this thread.

    Even if there is nobody in the left lane and there are two exit lanes, you can still take the RHL when entering the roundabout, but you really wouldnt if someone was indicating right and was in the RHL.
    It's totally different to saying, third exit, right lane. Every time. (outside of being signposted etcetcetcetc) Which is what decent skin is saying.

    My rule which has so far not been proven wrong, is left lane for anything before 12 o clock. And I outlined the circumstances for when you would use the RHL to go 'straight' (which is where you would move left to exit, after passing the earlier exits.)

    If you would agree with decent skin that the left lane is for the first two lanes always bar none (except for being signposted otherwise)? Then you've already contradicted yourself by saying you would move back to the left lane before exiting. There's no benefit to entering a roundabout in the right lane to go to an exit before 12 o clock (unless the left is full etc like above). You have to make a lane change to exit, so you would potentially be crossing somebody else's path, or forcing people to yield further around the roundabout.

    All fine if you believe the clock rule to be the right rule. However I couldnt be contradicting myself as everyone needs to change/move to the left lane if in the right lane in order to exit the roundabout, and you would do so if not taking the first two exits.
    The sad thing is that this is all quite pointless, because as has been said nobody else cares, even if it was just us with our different interpretations of the rules, it would still be fine because we all give way to the right anyway. It really is just academic, we should be playing road traffic simulator or something because other people will continue to just drive through roundabouts without giving a **** about indicating or right of way or anything

    Agreed on that point. It must be a quite day in the office :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Decent Skin


    I don't believe anyone in their right mind* would indicate right to go from raheen to tunnel so that's a left hand lane for me!

    *not meant to be a swipe at other posters here but some people indicate right for anything except first exit even if they are in the left/only lane on the compass point roundabout. These people are to be pitied as much as feared.

    It might not be meant but it ends up being a swipe because that's EXACTLY what I would do, as per the rules of the road that I was taught.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Kings Inns or bust


    Sweet jesus, the abortion debate has nothing on the 'correct use of a roundabout' debate. :pac:

    Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming. If perhaps we could refer back to the OP once in awhile I'd be much obliged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    It might not be meant but it ends up being a swipe because that's EXACTLY what I would do, as per the rules of the road that I was taught.

    You'd indicate right to go to the tunnel, coming from raheen? I think this falls through a crack in the rotr but I've never seen anyone indicate right here and take the tunnel.

    Or (and?)

    You'd indicate right to go straight through the standard compass point roundabout. (If this one please link to rotr for this).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Sweet jesus, the abortion debate has nothing on the 'correct use of a roundabout' debate. :pac:

    Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming. If perhaps we could refer back to the OP once in awhile I'd be much obliged.

    Coming around again now, some fella shot out and blocked me ;-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Sweet jesus, the abortion debate has nothing on the 'correct use of a roundabout' debate. :pac:

    Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming. If perhaps we could refer back to the OP once in awhile I'd be much obliged.

    Your post was answered, we're just off on our own tangent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    You'd indicate right to go to the tunnel, coming from raheen? I think this falls through a crack in the rotr but I've never seen anyone indicate right here and take the tunnel.

    Have done it plenty of times. Same as I've indicated right to take the tunnel coming from Jetland as it's the third exit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    two lane entry to roundabout at 6 o'clock

    a car arrives in each lane.

    The 12 o'clock exit is a one lane road.

    both cars want to take 12 o'clock exit.

    Who has ROW at the exit? Left lane car, right lane car, or the car most advanced in terms of road position.

    I think left hand lane car..but... maybe I am wrong, considering my experience on some roundabouts

    Assuming no arrow markings on the road...

    Example attached


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    left lane! Same as this roundabout at the radisson https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.6821172,-8.7118977,3a,90y,294.06h,82.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgaBqRIwdSxLM1GWqC_piZw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    Unless the right lane person came from a previous exit, then everyone should work together (ha) to slightly change their speeds to merge, and worst case scenario the person in the right lane should abort and go around again. (abortion thread crossover!)

    In practise at that radisson roundabout I see the people who are looking to pull such a move, about 200 metres back as they are overtaking, and I slow down and let them go ahead. It's safer for me at the cost of 5 seconds of progress


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Uriel. wrote: »
    two lane entry to roundabout at 6 o'clock

    a car arrives in each lane.

    The 12 o'clock exit is a one lane road.

    both cars want to take 12 o'clock exit.

    Who has ROW at the exit? Left lane car, right lane car, or the car most advanced in terms of road position.

    I think left hand lane car..but... maybe I am wrong, considering my experience on some roundabouts

    Assuming no arrow markings on the road...

    Example attached

    Very familiar with that r/a - use the left lane, rhl car needs to go around again if they want to join. I dont know how there isnt more accidents there though, I've had good few experiences of cars in rhl trying to butt in.
    left lane! Same as this roundabout at the radisson https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.6821172,-8.7118977,3a,90y,294.06h,82.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgaBqRIwdSxLM1GWqC_piZw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    Unless the right lane person came from a previous exit, then everyone should work together (ha) to slightly change their speeds to merge, and worst case scenario the person in the right lane should abort and go around again. (abortion thread crossover!)

    In practise at that radisson roundabout I see the people who are looking to pull such a move, about 200 metres back as they are overtaking, and I slow down and let them go ahead. It's safer for me at the cost of 5 seconds of progress

    Yep same here as above.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Decent Skin


    You'd indicate right to go to the tunnel, coming from raheen? I think this falls through a crack in the rotr but I've never seen anyone indicate right here and take the tunnel.

    Or (and?)

    You'd indicate right to go straight through the standard compass point roundabout. (If this one please link to rotr for this).

    Never! Because on a standard compass point roundabout "straight" IS the second exit! No idea how you concluded that I'd do that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Decent Skin


    Uriel. wrote: »
    two lane entry to roundabout at 6 o'clock

    a car arrives in each lane.

    The 12 o'clock exit is a one lane road.

    both cars want to take 12 o'clock exit.

    Who has ROW at the exit? Left lane car, right lane car, or the car most advanced in terms of road position.

    I think left hand lane car..but... maybe I am wrong, considering my experience on some roundabouts

    Assuming no arrow markings on the road...

    Example attached

    You cannot cross a lane without yielding to a car in it.

    If there are 2 lanes on exit then both can proceed, one each.

    But you NEVER cut left into the path of a car; that manoeuvre is reserved for the gob****es who blaze past near the end of an overtaking lane and try to bully the car with the right of way into braking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    You cannot cross a lane without yielding to a car in it.

    If there are 2 lanes on exit then both can proceed, one each.

    But you NEVER cut left into the path of a car; that manoeuvre is reserved for the gob****es who blaze past near the end of an overtaking lane and try to bully the car with the right of way into braking.

    There are many days were I have the urge to keep my pace and just let the inevitable accident happen, but so far i haven't given up enough fűcks to do it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Never! Because on a standard compass point roundabout "straight" IS the second exit! No idea how you concluded that I'd do that!

    Conlans roundabout coming from town, going for tipp. Straight on in anyone's book. 3rd exit.

    Of the two lanes entering it from town, which can exit there and who should indicate right on approach to roundabout?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Never! Because on a standard compass point roundabout "straight" IS the second exit! No idea how you concluded that I'd do that!

    You got rightly upset about me having a go at people who indicate right to go straight on at your standard compass point roundabout that's all!

    Or perhaps you think there's no ambiguity in cement factory roundabout, and I was wrong to say I've never seen anyone indicating right and taking the right hand lane to go for the tunnel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Decent Skin


    You got rightly upset about me having a go at people who indicate right to go straight on at your standard compass point roundabout that's all!

    No I didn't! :confused: I agree wholeheartedly! IF it's a standard one.
    Or perhaps you think there's no ambiguity in cement factory roundabout, and I was wrong to say I've never seen anyone indicating right and taking the right hand lane to go for the tunnel.

    I don't know what you've seen, but you've obviously never seen me on it.

    3rd exit = right lane & indicate until the Cement Factory entrance.


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