Roundabouts, because these threads are always great!

Kings Inns or bust

Picture a roundabout exits at 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock both with two lanes.

I enter at 6 o'clock to exit at 12 o'clock in the RIGHT lane.

Jake enters the roundabout at 9 o'clock to exit at 3 o'clock in the LEFT lane.

a) who has right of way at 12 o'clock if we both arrive there at the same time?

(I assume Jake as I have to cross his lane)

b) Is it okay for Jake to join the roundabout as I'm passing as he is using the inside lane, and I the outside lane.

(Assuming myself and Jake are the only two people in D5 that have any lane discipline.)

c) Should I be changing lanes on the roundabout?

(I actually don't but I do check my mirrors prior to exiting.)

biko

Since you were in left lane at 6 o'clock you are blocking Jake from entering the RB from 9 o'clock.

bazz26

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dodderangler

Kings Inns or bust wrote: »

Picture a roundabout exits at 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock both with two lanes.

I enter at 6 o'clock to exit at 12 o'clock in the outside lane.

Jake enters the roundabout at 9 o'clock to exit at 3 o'clock in the inside lane.

a) who has right of way at 12 o'clock if we both arrive there at the same time?

(I assume Jake as I have to cross his lane)

b) Is it okay for Jake to join the roundabout as I'm passing as he is using the inside lane, and I the outside lane.

(Assuming myself and Jake are the only two people in D5 that have any lane discipline.)

c) Should I be changing lanes on the roundabout?

(I actually don't but I do check my mirrors prior to exiting.)

9 o'clock, 6 o'clock, and 12 o'clock?? How long were you at this round about for??

Special Circumstances

LOL, I predict a riot OP!

biko wrote: »

Since you were in left lane at 6 o'clock you are blocking Jake from entering the RB from 9 o'clock.

Surely that would negate the point of having two or more lanes around the roundabout? (It would solve a lot of problems confusion/anger if all roundabouts were single lane, assuming the roundabout had enough "run-out" to prevent exiting traffic backing back up onto it due to congestion)

Disgruntled Badger

He has ROW

savagethegoat

Impossible to tell due to the peculiar Irish habit of sometimes referring to roundabout lanes as inside and outside , the opposite to what the lanes would be called on the approach road.

When you say inside /outside , do you mean left /right or right/left.?

Is it a trick question?
The dogs in the street know who ever gets there first has the right of way!

Kings Inns or bust

biko wrote: »

Since you were in left lane at 6 o'clock you are blocking Jake from entering the RB from 9 o'clock.

I was in the right (outside lane) Should I have moved as per (c)?

dodderangler wrote: »

9 o'clock, 6 o'clock, and 12 o'clock?? How long were you at this round about for??

I knew someone was gonna make that pun, I salute you for your timing sir.

Kings Inns or bust

Sorry posted edited to avoid confusion.

dodderangler

Kings Inns or bust wrote: »

I was in the right (outside lane) Should I have moved as per (c)?



I knew someone was gonna make that pun, I salute you for your timing sir.

Had to be done mate. Surprised I even got it that quick.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Jake shouldn't have entered the roundabout, or if he did, should have allowed/given way to you the oppurtunity to go straight through to 12 o'clock.

vandriver

In Tenerife,they have a foolproof method of dealing with 2 lane roundabouts.Everyone uses the outside lane,no matter how far round they are going .
The downside is of course horrendous tailbacks,but I bet el boards.es has no threads like this.

hi5

Who ever is on the roundabout has right of way, it doesn't matter what lane your in.
Jake did not give way to you as you were already on the roundabout, so Jake is at fault.

savagethegoat

assuming you indicated at the appropriate point you would have had right of way if he were about to pull out. He shouldn't have pulled out alongside you but , seeing your indicator, held back and passed behind you (in other words given way to traffic from his right). Of course if you were coming up slightly behind him when he pulled out, he would have had right of way

frozenfrozen

Give way to your right, give way to those already on the roundabout. You have right of way in that case of entering the roundabout at the exact same time at identical speeds (how often is that going to happen)

In practical driving, if you see that you're both going to be crossing paths, slow down or speed up to make that not happen. Change to the left lane if this will help you have a clearer path sooner... indicate as early as appropriate to give them information to help you get through the situation more smoothly...

If you see from afar that you will both arrive at the roundabout at the same time, it's easier to just slow down and let them arrive first and go, you can proceed through the roundabout much faster if you don't have to worry about others potentially pulling across your path. You'll end up making much more progress by 'giving away' your right of way in that manner, rather than having to proceed cautiously waiting to swerve or brake.

Right lane through a roundabout from 6 to 12 o clock is opening yourself up to be side swiped by someone from the left lane carrying on around the roundabout. If the left lane is blocked with people taking the first exit, move over to the left after you have passed the first exit and close off that gap for someone to pull into.

in 'right of way' give way to the right. give way to those already on the roundabout. it's as straightforward as that IMO

biko

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Surely that would negate the point of having two or more lanes around the roundabout?

The point of having two entry lanes is that the left lane is for traffic to the left and straight, the right lane is for traffic going right.

Left lane - exits from 7 o'clock up and including 12 o'clock
Right lane - exits from 1 o'clock and more

https://www.roaddriver.co.uk/webroot/uploads/ga96_how-to-navigate-roundabouts.jpg

frozenfrozen

Right lane is good for straight when the left lane is full of people taking the first exit.. really the only time it should be used for going straight in my opinion unless signposted etc..

biko

Sure, may as well use the oncoming lane too if there is no traffic right now...

Be grand

Decent Skin

Kings Inns or bust wrote: »

Picture a roundabout exits at 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock both with two lanes.

I enter at 6 o'clock to exit at 12 o'clock in the RIGHT lane.

Jake enters the roundabout at 9 o'clock to exit at 3 o'clock in the LEFT lane.

a) who has right of way at 12 o'clock if we both arrive there at the same time?

(I assume Jake as I have to cross his lane)

b) Is it okay for Jake to join the roundabout as I'm passing as he is using the inside lane, and I the outside lane.

(Assuming myself and Jake are the only two people in D5 that have any lane discipline.)

c) Should I be changing lanes on the roundabout?

(I actually don't but I do check my mirrors prior to exiting.)

If you indicated at the 9 o'clock exit as you're supposed to then Jake would have known that he shouldn't enter.

How did you arrive at 12 o'clock / second exit "together" if you were in the correct lane when entering the roundabout ? You would have had no lane change in that scenario : enter on left, go around on left, exit from left lane.

Edit: if both lanes entering allowed for straight on then you should have been exiting in the right-hand exit lane, and Jake should have exitted in the left.

frozenfrozen

biko wrote: »

Sure, may as well use the oncoming lane too if there is no traffic right now...

Be grand

you could use the oncoming lane if there was no solid white line

Making a left turn
Approach in the left-hand lane, indicate ‘left’ as you approach, and continue
until you have taken the left exit.

Going straight ahead (or any exit to the left of 12 o’clock)
Approach in the left-hand lane (unless road markings say otherwise) but do not
indicate ‘left’ until you have passed the exit before the one you intend to take.
Where traffic conditions dictate otherwise, for example a long line of traffic in
the left lane signalling left or roadworks in the left lane, you may follow the
course shown by the red line.


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Mc Love

You'd hardly be using the right lane if there is no traffic OP, making your argument null and void. Unless you are one of the people that drive in the overtaking lane on the motorway when there is nobody in the driving lane, if so, carry on and best of luck.

savagethegoat

some of you do realise the guy was entering at a different point and exiting for that matter,

frozenfrozen

Using the right lane when there is no traffic is actually sending unhelpful information to other drivers, if they're entering at 9 o clock and looking to exit at 3 o clock, it makes total sense for them to go in tandem with you in the RHL, making the assumption you are going at least past 12 o clock, so you would never have to cross paths.

If you entered in the right hand lane to go straight because of a blocked left hand lane, then turn on your left indicator and move over after you've passed the first exit, then exit the roundabout. You can't just straight line a roundabout in the right lane. Well you can, if you want to open yourself up to being side swiped.


Cyclists staying in the left lane while going around the roundabout past 12 o clock, come to mind as a reason to not straight line roundabouts.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Why would a cyclist be in the left lane going past 12 oclock?? They should be in the right lane when going past 12 oclock, like all other vehicles.

frozenfrozen

Explain that to one while you're scraping them out of your wheel arch, to be a bit crass about it.

Cyclists are slower than cars and so can have been on a roundabout for a long time but still be passing an exit at the same time as a car. I've seen plenty of people on bikes having to stop to leave cars exit roundabouts even though the car entered far later than the bicycle.

You also never know if the bicycle entered someone where they would be crossing 12 o clock either, they could have gone all the way around the roundabout or have just entered, in the right lane going straight through a roundabout you would be crossing their path, whereas staying in the left lane would leave you slowly following behind. They could be going around past 12 o clock from the cars perspective, but they could have entered at 9 o clock, and be in the right to be passing that exit at 12 o clock, while in the left lane.

Plenty of unconfident cyclists stay in the outside lane on the roundabout always. Right of way is there to keep traffic flowing smoothly not to prove you're innocent when you've hit somebody (not putting words into anyone's mouth, but it doesn't matter how wrong someones road position is on a roundabout if you hit them and it was preventable by not straight lining through the roundabout to save 1 second)

Special Circumstances

Arya Modern Cartoon wrote: »

Why would a cyclist be in the left lane going past 12 oclock?? They should be in the right lane when going past 12 oclock, like all other vehicles.

Not necessarily,no.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

So what you are saying is, we should all not follow the rules of the road because cyclist do not follow the rules of the road? *just in case*
That's logical? :rolleyes:

You should anticipate a car, cyclist or any other vechicles cutting across you at all times. Like a ninja.

EDIT: I should add - I am cycling to work nearly 20 years, through some of the busiest roundabouts in Dublin and I see all sorts.

Decent Skin

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Right lane is good for straight when the left lane is full of people taking the first exit.. really the only time it should be used for going straight in my opinion unless signposted etc..

When approaching a line of traffic, how do you know that they are all taking the first exit ? Can you see all their indicators ?

Left lane is for the first 2 exits BTW; not necessarily "going straight". The "12 o'clock" thing only applies to bog-standard 4-exit roundabouts.

Special Circumstances

biko wrote: »

The point of having two entry lanes is that the left lane is for traffic to the left and straight, the right lane is for traffic going right.

Left lane - exits from 7 o'clock up and including 12 o'clock
Right lane - exits from 1 o'clock and more

https://www.roaddriver.co.uk/webroot/uploads/ga96_how-to-navigate-roundabouts.jpg

Yes, but if a car in any lane on the roundabout has undisputed ROW over the whole set of lanes as far as their intended destination.... then any cars waiting to join will be joining the roundabout once the car on the roundabout has passed.... exactly as if there was only one lane.

Just put a proper junction there and leave roundabouts (as single lanes) for low volume areas.

frozenfrozen

Arya Modern Cartoon wrote: »

So what you are saying is, we should all not follow the rules of the road because cyclist do not follow the rules of the road? *just in case*
That's logical? :rolleyes:

You should anticipate a car, cyclist or any other vechicles cutting across you at all times. Like a ninja.

EDIT: I should add - I am cycling to work nearly 20 years, through some of the busiest roundabouts in Dublin and I see all sorts.

Don't use the right lane in a roundabout to go straight, unless the above cases are true. What I'm saying is to follow the rules of the road and to drive defensively, just in case somebody from the left lane carries on around the roundabout, because they assume you're in the right lane so are continuing around.

re: anticipate a car cyclist or whatever cutting across you at all times.. don't drive beside people and don't stay in their blind spots and don't let yourself get into a position where them breaking the rules of the road would lead to a crash. No ninja skills needed, just SYSTEM.
Ride like you're invisible, not a ninja

Decent Skin wrote: »

When approaching a line of traffic, how do you know that they are all taking the first exit ? Can you see all their indicators ?

Left lane is for the first 2 exits BTW; not necessarily "going straight". The "12 o'clock" thing only applies to bog-standard 4-exit roundabouts.

If the left lane is filled with people indicating left or the left lane is closed for roadworks you can use the right lane to go straight, unless signposted differently of course.

Left lane is for the first two exits if they are before 12 o clock, definitely not the first two always. That's why it's important to actually understand the cases when using the right lane to go straight is allowed.

If you can see the first few people are indicating left, or enough people that you would be through the roundabout before anyone not turning left, then yes of course it makes more sense to use the right lane to go straight.

Left lane is for the first 2 exits BTW; not necessarily "going straight". The "12 o'clock" thing only applies to bog-standard 4-exit roundabouts.

explain further, because that doesn't sound right to me, maybe the other way around. There's a certain roundabout near me that looks like this =Q= (with the q being 2 lanes, sorry for the bad ascii diagram)

You would be asking for a crash if you entered at the tail of the Q and continued around to the second exit, from the left lane.