when will people stop worshipping God / a God / a higher mortal?

Andy From Sligo

with all the pain and suffering goes on in this world and a lot of it focused on innocent people dying will there ever come a time where people say "i've had it with you, i'm not worshipping a God in a world where so many bad things happen to good people" and then just stop believing/worshipping?

sorry if i was supposed to post this in the religious section of boards

questionmark?

Ah but sure you can't beat a good mass or a trip to Ali's Snackbar to raise your spirits.

For Forks Sake

Is there anything to be said for another mass?

mzungu

I can't see it happening. People will always need to have something to hold onto. We have been doing it for thousands of years and will most likely continue for a few thousand more.

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

with all the pain and suffering goes on in this world and a lot of it focused on innocent people dying will there ever come a time where people say "i've had it with you, i'm not worshipping a God in a world where so many bad things happen to good people" and then just stop believing/worshipping?

Nothing wrong with believing in God. The real problem is religion. Now, that, I'd happily see gone.

Esel

Oh. Dear. God.

Arcade_Tryer

When the tap runs dry.

Yes, that is a meta for when it stops making people at the tap money.

endacl

Teatime. On the 4th.

Deffo.

durtybit

I'd say when people grow a pair and stop doing christenings, communions, confirmations and weddings just to save face with family

Andy From Sligo

but I mean like if a really good friend or even a family member who you looked up to went around stabbing innocent people/killing lots of people for no apparent reason LOL you wouldnt still look up to that person and think they were great would you LOL - you would distance yourself from them wouldnt you ... you wouldnt keep telling them how great thou are

dr.fuzzenstein

People will simply believe some other bollocks. Be it unicorns, lizard people, aliens or whatever other nonsense comes their way. Human beings it seems have to believe some kind of utter irrational bollocks and get very offended when challenged on it.

Cienciano

Come on, athiests threads were so 2 years ago

Andy From Sligo

the bleeding Earthquake thing today prompted me to post on it now particularly, them poor people. There is a picture on sky news of a nun sitting bloodied faced by the road on a mobile phone - now if i was her I'd say feck that now I aint gonna carry on worshipping God he's bloody cruel and she should even be questioning if there is a God ... I bet she wont though, I bet after being caught up in all this devastation she will still continue to worship him and think he is lovely!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I don't mind people worshiping gods. I believe in gods. When you are a god yourself you tend to believe in other gods

Andy From Sligo

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I don't mind people worshiping gods. I believe in gods. When you are a god yourself you tend to believe in other gods

who made you a God then or is it self inflicted ?

Temptamperu

I follow him on facebook. Great lad altogether.

timthumbni

You live in a society where most people send their kids to a religious based school. Do the maths....

You get them young, you have them for life. Sure there are those who rebel against the "system" but they are treated like troublemakers, freaks and weirdos.

Brainwashing is so much easier the younger the brain and even better when their parents have been brainwashed too.

Andy From Sligo

if you wanted to be a 'true' atheist does that mean that you would not be able to go to Christenings, weddings and what happens when you die? - how can you have a proper funeral service if you dont believe - I have often thought about that. what if through your life you have been a non believer but you get your children christened in a church, get married in a church and have a funeral in a church because its 'the done thing' when your an atheist?

Armchair Andy

These threads are so condescending. Makes me sad to see others laughed at for their beliefs. How say people stfu and afford religious folk a bit of respect regardless of their own outlook?

All hail Andy from Sligo

Call Me Jimmy

I think when psychedelic drugs are legalised and part of the mainstream culture (100 years or so) there'll be a resurgence

When they no longer need to find strength and comfort outside themselves.

Kings Inns or bust

If someone is willing to believe in a magic man in the sky, then there is no leap at all, hardly even a step to believe that suffering is either down to our own free will - God given - or that we simply don't understand the plan.

Religion is never going to be eliminated people are very welcome to their beliefs and much like the Loch Ness monster or Big Foot there will always be the occasional harmless eccentric. It'll be a win when religion is at the same level, a few harmless eccentrics which derive some pleasure and comfort from it and nothing else, no role in government or state, certain fecking off out of school and people see dying/killing for a religion to being equally a stupid as dying/killing for a particular brand of cheddar cheese.

Arcade_Tryer

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

if you wanted to be a 'true' atheist does that mean that you would not be able to go to Christenings, weddings and what happens when you die? - how can you have a proper funeral service if you dont believe - I have often thought about that. what if through your life you have been a non believer but you get your children christened in a church, get married in a church and have a funeral in a church because its 'the done thing' when your an atheist?

Atheism is an idea. The whole idea of it being it is not ritualistic or fanatical in the way religion is required to be. It is simply an absence of belief.

I also wouldn't necessarily associate the belief with the behaviour. Nor the person with the belief. I know a nun who has admitted God doesn't exist but that it's better for us all if we "pretend he does." And the most intelligent and knowledgeable atheist I know recently received communion as a show of support to his gf at a wedding he invited her to.

We are all religious in some way. The lucky ones get to choose what we are religious about. There is a choice. I do not think that is the case with religion for many people. And that is the crucifix of the matter.

Rainman16

That would be an ecumenical matter.

durtybit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nothing wrong with believing in God. The real problem is religion. Now, that, I'd happily see gone.

Only thing is most religious things I don't really see as being about the church and God and all that other BS.. it's the clothes, getting photos taken, being with family and friends and the money you get and the dinner and the drink !!! Don't forget the DRINK (FR Jack)

You don't see many folk mentioning Jesus or god at the bar or dinner table after the mass at a wedding, it's more did ya see the tits on the bridesmaid on the left. Fook me!!

Its all a bitta crack

Arcade_Tryer

Armchair Andy wrote: »

These threads are so condescending. Makes me sad to see others laughed at for their beliefs. How say people stfu and afford religious folk a bit of respect regardless of their own outlook?

People deserve respect, regardless of whether they are religious folk or not.

Beliefs deserve to be ridiculed, regardless of whether you or I or anybody else think they deserve to be.

Armchair Andy

Arcade_Tryer wrote:

People deserve respect, regardless of whether they are religious folk or not.

Arcade_Tryer wrote:

Beliefs deserve to be ridiculed, regardless of whether you or I or anybody else think they deserve to be.

Agreed wholeheartedly. It gets too personal though.

Andy From Sligo

Deleted User wrote: »

All hail Andy from Sligo

more like all Hell andy from sligo

Andy From Sligo

Temptamperu wrote: »

I follow him on facebook. Great lad altogether.

bit confused ... you follow God on facebook ?

Andy From Sligo

Armchair Andy wrote: »

These threads are so condescending. Makes me sad to see others laughed at for their beliefs. How say people stfu and afford religious folk a bit of respect regardless of their own outlook?

who's not respecting you ... or to be precise respecting your view(s) / lifestyle? - not me certainly

Your Face

Humans caused most, if not all, of the problems humanity ever faced.

Armchair Andy

Andy From Sligo wrote:

who's not respecting you ... or to be precise respecting your view(s) / lifestyle? - not me certainly

I never mentioned myself. But then I'm not "brainwashed".

Tigger

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

with all the pain and suffering goes on in this world and a lot of it focused on innocent people dying will there ever come a time where people say "i've had it with you, i'm not worshipping a God in a world where so many bad things happen to good people" and then just stop believing/worshipping?

sorry if i was supposed to post this in the religious section of boards

ironically enough when they are dead

Rayne Wooney

Never, because death is the main driver of religion.

Most people can't handle the concept of nothingness after you put in your 80 years give or take on this planet, it's easier to think the sky fairy will take you to a magical land where you will have everything you have ever wanted.

Andy From Sligo

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Agreed wholeheartedly. It gets too personal though.

it only gets personal when you start naming names or singling out people - other than that the views are ... just views

I was very care to title this thread as God / a God /a Higher Mortal so as not to single out anybody or particular religion

Andy From Sligo

Tigger wrote: »

ironically enough when they are dead

good thinking ... and good answer - god I wish i was as clever

Charizard

I feel when McGregor loses again we will stop worshipping him

B.A._Baracus

There is nothing wrong with believing in God.
The problem in life is people. Take someone who believes in God yet is of sound mind and he or she will try to be a good person and do the right thing. Yet someone who is unhinged and believes in God will twist things and spread hate and actually can be evil.

Point in case is the Harry Krishnas compared to the Westboro Baptist Church. Yet both believe in a higher power.

Terrlock

I think the question should be why aren't people doing more to make the world a better place.

We are always looking for something to blame for our disasters....

Would it not be better, that instead of blaming God or whatever it is we like to blame for bad things happening, we all worked to help out people who desperately need it.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Charizard wrote: »

I feel when McGregor loses again we will stop worshipping him

Gods don't run away in fights :pac:

Stealthfins

There's always going to be people who'd prefer to fantasize about the unknown or make believe woo.

Some people accept it,some wonder why the religious people believe in god's etc....

I suppose the best person to answer the op's post is someone who did believe in it and is now an unbeliever.

4068ac1elhodqr

The folks over at Proxima b. should also be consulted, they may well have a leader who's handy with the miracles an so on.
It's only 4.5ly away, so if someone sends a fax over to them now, all should be clear by 2021ad.

Grayson

Armchair Andy wrote: »

These threads are so condescending. Makes me sad to see others laughed at for their beliefs. How say people stfu and afford religious folk a bit of respect regardless of their own outlook?

Atheists are the most distrusted group in America. Rapists are trusted more. I don't get it. I might not believe in god but I'm not a rapist. I'm a good guy who tries to do my best.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nonprophetstatus/2011/12/04/when-atheists-get-it-wrong-atheists-arent-less-trusted-than-rapists/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

if you wanted to be a 'true' atheist does that mean that you would not be able to go to Christenings, weddings and what happens when you die? - how can you have a proper funeral service if you dont believe - I have often thought about that. what if through your life you have been a non believer but you get your children christened in a church, get married in a church and have a funeral in a church because its 'the done thing' when your an atheist?

I'm a god parent and an atheist. The reason I was asked is because I know more about ethics and religion than most people and I can be relied upon for moral guidance. The only thing I had to do in the ceremony is reject Satan.

Grayson

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

bit confused ... you follow God on facebook ?

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/

He's on twitter too.

You might like him

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/

https://twitter.com/TheGoodGodAbove/status/766814733143908352

https://twitter.com/TheGoodGodAbove/status/767453739644915712

Although, maybe not.

https://twitter.com/TheGoodGodAbove/status/765281531652870148

hairyslug

Going back thousands of years the Greeks where mad about Zues, Apollo, Hera, Ares etc, today, in one classroom children are taught about Greek mythology and in another they are taught about another god, which one is to be believed.
I feel once religion is being taught in the way that it is, we will see a big change.

old_aussie

It's sad when people cannot even respect their own views on religion.

Take these two for example, they preach one thing and then go against their own preaching.....

THE HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY

She's soooo ugly the guy must have been blind!

Morocco reels: Prominent Islamists caught in alleged sex act

Morocco is reeling from the arrests of two prominent Islamists who reportedly were caught having illicit sex with one another in public.

Police found Fatima Nejjar and Moulay Omar Benhammad, both in their 60s, in "a sexual position" last week in a car on the beach, Moroccan media reported. The reports did not elaborate on the alleged position.

Until Monday, Nejjar and Benhammad were vice presidents of Morocco's Unity and Reform Movement (MUR). The MUR is the religious and ideological wing of the kingdom's governing Justice and Development Party. In light of the arrests, the party suspended the two on Monday.

"It's huge in Morocco," said Hakim Arif, editor-in-chief of L'Observateur magazine who spoke to AMI Newswire from his office in Morocco. "Many were trusting this woman and this man."

Now, the arrests have served to rip the veil off their apparent duplicity.

https://aminewswire.com/stories/511000181-morocco-reels-prominent-islamists-caught-in-alleged-sex-act

El_Duderino 09

Andy From Sligo wrote:

the bleeding Earthquake thing today prompted me to post on it now particularly, them poor people. There is a picture on sky news of a nun sitting bloodied faced by the road on a mobile phone - now if i was her I'd say feck that now I aint gonna carry on worshipping God he's bloody cruel and she should even be questioning if there is a God ... I bet she wont though, I bet after being caught up in all this devastation she will still continue to worship him and think he is lovely!

Not at all. The harder things get the more reason to turn to the magic man to fix it. If your life us sh1t, all the more reason to invest in the idea of an afterlife. It's one of the principles that religions thrive on.

El_Duderino 09

Armchair Andy wrote:

These threads are so condescending. Makes me sad to see others laughed at for their beliefs. How say people stfu and afford religious folk a bit of respect regardless of their own outlook?

Arcade_Tryer wrote:

People deserve respect, regardless of whether they are religious folk or not.
Beliefs deserve to be ridiculed, regardless of whether you or I or anybody else think they deserve to be.

Armchair Andy wrote:

Agreed wholeheartedly. It gets too personal though.

You know that criticising religion is fine but posted the above as if it was the same as criticising people.

You posted in defence of people who were never offended. This is similar to saying 'sure wouldn't you just have the child baptised for Nana's sake'?

We need to stop treating religions as if they were some special category. I support Leinster but I don't get offended by someone who doesn't follow rugby at all.

Zxclnic

I think the Hindu gods were a fairly decent bunch of lads (gender neutral).
Though you wouldn't want to bump into any of them if you had drink, or anything else, taken, all those arms and heads and stuff...defo wreck your buzz.

pumpkin4life

Grayson wrote: »

Atheists are the most distrusted group in America. Rapists are trusted more. I don't get it. I might not believe in god but I'm not a rapist. I'm a good guy who tries to do my best.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nonprophetstatus/2011/12/04/when-atheists-get-it-wrong-atheists-arent-less-trusted-than-rapists/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/



I'm a god parent and an atheist. The reason I was asked is because I know more about ethics and religion than most people and I can be relied upon for moral guidance. The only thing I had to do in the ceremony is reject Satan.

Because (there have been studies/reports on this) there's a bit of a correlation between atheism and people thinking you're a giant asshole.

Atheists score higher on depression, drug use (the most religious states in America have the lowest levels of crime for example, and yep, correlation not causation I know), autism, personality disorders, poorer physical health etc and are more subject to overrating their own abilities and intelligence (the Dunning Krueger effect) than Christians are. Google scholar/some of the med science directory, will help yous out there.

Those combined make you far more unlikeable to most people, in addition to probably not being as tribal as religious people, less trust promoting, more likely to be a proselyting buzzkill of a bastard, etc.