EIF levy deductions?

oide10

I'm helping my father with his property and finances as he isn't that well. A letter came regarding an EIF levy and that if he wished to pay it to contact them via a written letter. My father is vague about what this levy is for. So my question is - is it necessary? Should it be paid and if so, to what does it contribute?

Thanks in advance for any insight ye could give me.

boggerman1

oide10 wrote: »

I'm helping my father with his property and finances as he isn't that well. A letter came regarding an EIF levy and that if he wished to pay it to contact them via a written letter. My father is vague about what this levy is for. So my question is - is it necessary? Should it be paid and if so, to what does it contribute?

Thanks in advance for any insight ye could give me.

It's a levy that the ifa were taking off farmers via cattle sales or milk.it was used to pay the big wigs in the ifa.don't pay it again

50HX

just got the letter from ABP today

opt in - no reply is auto opt out

rangler1

boggerman1 wrote: »

It's a levy that the ifa were taking off farmers via cattle sales or milk.it was used to pay the big wigs in the ifa.don't pay it again

An ICSA rep told what his expenses were lately....if farmers expect fellow farmers to leave their farm and run their cars for that, farming has definitely reached a new low.....another race to the bottom

Waffletraktor

rangler1 wrote: »

An ICSA rep told what his expenses were lately....if farmers expect fellow farmers to leave their farm and run their cars for that, farming has definitely reached a new low.....another race to the bottom

Bite their nose to spite themselves, wait until it really starts to hit home having no real representation is like. Best try find some new crowd to blame for a few years time.

Keepgrowing

The EIF is collected at point of sale i.e. mart, meat factory or milk processor. It goes to fund IFA.

Milkybar Kid.

Keepgrowing wrote: »

The EIF is collected at point of sale i.e. mart, meat factory or milk processor. It goes to fund IFA.

Does the collector get a % of what they collect. Heard Larry got 50%.

Keepgrowing

Milkybar Kid. wrote: »

Does the collector get a % of what they collect. Heard Larry got 50%.

No idea

farmerjj

Milkybar Kid. wrote: »

Does the collector get a % of what they collect. Heard Larry got 50%.

Where did you get that gem?

rangler1

farmerjj wrote: »

Where did you get that gem?

Barstool experts, some places don't charge, I think the highest charge is 15%.......you'd want it to compensate for the abuse

mf240

Milkybar Kid. wrote: »

Does the collector get a % of what they collect. Heard Larry got 50%.

More likely to throw in a few extra pound to keep the boys sweet.

I'd have no problem paying extra in membership but I absolutely cannot support any group who are being paid by the factorys.

rangler1

mf240 wrote: »

More likely to throw in a few extra pound to keep the boys sweet.

I'd have no problem paying extra in membership but I absolutely cannot support any group who are being paid by the factorys.

I've been out collecting membership and i can assure you that generosity is not common out there.
And if you look at your milk/meat dockets you will see it's you not the factory that's contributing. If IFA change over to a flatrate charge/ac, I fu....d if I'm gonna be contributing, the gap between dairy and drystock incomes is too big to be equitable form of funding.

Government/department ag will only be delighted to have IFA broke and out of the way.

There is a proposal out there now that the industry should contribute to IFA because of the representation we give in europe.
If beef processor contribute €1/hd, you know where they're going to get that....the bullock and the lamb pays for everything.

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

I've been out collecting membership and i can assure you that generosity is not common out there.
And if you look at your milk/meat dockets you will see it's you not the factory that's contributing. If IFA change over to a flatrate charge/ac, I fu....d if I'm gonna be contributing, the gap between dairy and drystock incomes is too big to be equitable form of funding.

Government/department ag will only be delighted to have IFA broke and out of the way.

There is a proposal out there now that the industry should contribute to IFA because of the representation we give in europe.
If beef processor contribute €1/hd, you know where they're going to get that....the bullock and the lamb pays for everything.

The levy is a percentage of sales, not nett profit or income. Allow a finisher a paltry nett profit of 100quid after keeping an animal for a year and the IFA help themselves to 2 euro out of it to pay 400 thousand euro salaries to pot bellied asses with d'loreal complex.

blue5000

OP you don't need to reply to the letter. l'oreal complex

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

The levy is a percentage of sales, not nett profit or income. Allow a finisher a paltry nett profit of 100quid after keeping an animal for a year and the IFA help themselves to 2 euro out of it to pay 400 thousand euro salaries to pot bellied asses with d'loreal complex.

to behonest, 400000 wouldn't be enough to compensate me to listen to what come, so gratefuuly I'll decline...you should try it for a while.
Happy with the way things are going here, so I definitely wouldn't do it again just for the expenses.
To me, pat smith looks to be a fit man. more than likely fitter than you.
glasshouses and throwing stones etc etc....but then maybe you're perfect, you seem to like commenting on men figures !!!!!!.....????????

rangler1

blue5000 wrote: »

OP you don't need to reply to the letter. l'oreal complex

Checking out males and loreal complex....what are we dealing with here

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

to behonest, 400000 wouldn't be enough to compensate me to listen to what come, so gratefuuly I'll decline...you should try it for a while.
Happy with the way things are going here, so I definitely wouldn't do it again just for the expenses.
To me, pat smith looks to be a fit man. more than likely fitter than you.
glasshouses and throwing stones etc etc....but then maybe you're perfect, you seem to like commenting on men figures !!!!!!.....????????

My main disdain is for the pure unadulterated arrogance and greed at the heart of the organisation.

Take the case of a farmer with a hundred acres finishing cattle . Nett income of 15000 ( if he's done well) but sales of €100,000. Ifa whip €150 out of his cheques. And pay €435000 plus a company car and expenses to one individual.,

"Try it yourself sometime?" A similar question posed by a certain politician some years ago with gaybo.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

My main disdain is the pure unadulterated arrogangace and greed.

"Try it yourself sometime?" A similar question posed by a certain politician some years ago with gaybo.

And your last 2 posts aren't arrogant......yeah right.
Theres a commitee for every enterprise within IFA so if your agenda isn't been driven, it's probably your own fault.Not my problem anyway

Just after reading your edited post, The national finance commitee ''overlooked'' the high salaries and three out of the eight in that commitee have got back in without a challenge.....farmers just can't be bothered, much easier to leave it to someone else, however bad.

blue5000

rangler1 wrote: »

Checking out males and loreal complex....what are we dealing with here

No rangler I think it's more to do with the slogan 'because you're worth it' . Pat Smith and co obviously think they are.:(

Waffletraktor

blue5000 wrote: »

No rangler I think it's more to do with the slogan 'because you're worth it' . Pat Smith and co obviously think they are.:(

It's like people who whinge about glanbia's pay to the top, for a few billion turn over I would say it's quite cheap, maybe its people's expectations that because they can't make money no one else should?

Willfarman

Waffletraktor wrote: »

It's like people who whinge about glanbia's pay to the top, for a few billion turn over I would say it's quite cheap, maybe its people's expectations that because they can't make money no one else should?

I couldn't care less if others are making money as long .,,,,as it's not off my back!

farmerjj

Willfarman wrote: »

I couldn't care less if others are making money as long .,,,,as it's not off my back!

Ha great comeback.

ganmo

Willfarman wrote: »

I couldn't care less if others are making money as long .,,,,as it's not off my back!

Where do you buy the stock you finish?

Is the money you make coming off their back?

Willfarman

ganmo wrote: »

Where do you buy the stock you finish?

Is the money you make coming off their back?

I go to the Mart and I load 0.15 per cent of the cattle there every week. A voluntary contribution to me from those lazy farmers because they never issued me with instructions not to.

Waffletraktor

Willfarman wrote: »

I couldn't care less if others are making money as long .,,,,as it's not off my back!

So who will represent your interest at the next round of cap? Considering beef farms constantly bemoan poor income and how much subs make up, with the type of cuts coming to realign Western Europe with the east and all the enviro requirements.
How well has the last pfft 25 years of shouting how terrible the meat factories are, a new tact is required to go for high end rather than try beat feedlot by working together.
If farmers don't take a proactive approach nothing to their benefit will happen, guess it will give bar stool heroes more to moan about.

Willfarman

Waffletraktor wrote: »

So who will represent your interest at the next round of cap? Considering beef farms constantly bemoan poor income and how much subs make up, with the type of cuts coming to realign Western Europe with the east and all the enviro requirements.
How well has the last pfft 25 years of shouting how terrible the meat factories are, a new tact is required to go for high end rather than try beat feedlot by working together.
If farmers don't take a proactive approach nothing to their benefit will happen, guess it will give bar stool heroes more to moan about.

I concur wholeheartedly. I would hope for either a completely reformed lean mean ifa or their a a garner of support for the icmsa. I don't know how to post up links here but an agriland article about the impending pat smith ifa high court case dated 10 August is sickening

freedominacup

Willfarman wrote: »

I concur wholeheartedly. I would hope for either a completely reformed lean mean ifa or their a a garner of support for the icmsa. I don't know how to post up links here but an agriland article about the impending pat smith ifa high court case dated 10 August is sickening

What does a completely reformed, lean, mean ifa look like?

Waffletraktor

Willfarman wrote: »

I concur wholeheartedly. I would hope for either a completely reformed lean mean ifa or their a a garner of support for the icmsa. I don't know how to post up links here but an agriland article about the impending pat smith ifa high court case dated 10 August is sickening

I can't say I seen it but my tAke from what was posted.
The Ifa did all they could to publicly humiliate the man, who they knew is no soft touch of course there is repocusions due to the top end muppets.
What's the point in all the likes of macra's public speaking comps etc if there is not a stream of new blood coming to put pressure on the chairmen of groups to perform. The hill farmers got in a huff formed a group and got results it can happen.

MF290

freedominacup wrote: »

What does a completely reformed, lean, mean ifa look like?

Pay everyone half as much, make them work twice as hard and get them to double their results. All quite simple.... :rolleyes:

Willfarman

freedominacup wrote: »

What does a completely reformed, lean, mean ifa look like?

Like it did before they got so good at gathering up money.!! Ironic that when they hadn't a bean they had some political punch and farmer support.

mf240

Hope you found this help full op.:D:D

freedominacup

Willfarman wrote: »

Like it did before they got so good at gathering up money.!! Ironic that when they hadn't a bean they had some political punch and farmer support.

That's a b.s. answer and you know it. What do you mean by lean, mean etc. Define it. How is it funded? What sort of local/regional/national/EU/international structures should it have? How many committees at each level? How many staff should it have? What sort of qualifications/experience should they have? Do you want a permanent office maintained in Dublin? These are the easy questions. When you have these answered we'll start into some of the detailed stuff like how much you're willing to spend on redundancy packages, what to do with various regional offices, with the obvious exception of your local one because that one would certainly be too vital to shut.

Willfarman

freedominacup wrote: »

That's a b.s. answer and you know it. What do you mean by lean, mean etc. Define it. How is it funded? What sort of local/regional/national/EU/international structures should it have? How many committees at each level? How many staff should it have? What sort of qualifications/experience should they have? Do you want a permanent office maintained in Dublin? These are the easy questions. When you have these answered we'll start into some of the detailed stuff like how much you're willing to spend on redundancy packages, what to do with various regional offices, with the obvious exception of your local one because that one would certainly be too vital to shut.

I don't care what they do now as they wont be getting another bob out of me in there current guise. And you can close my local office tomorrow for all the difference it makes.

freedominacup

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't care what they do now as they wont be getting another bob out of me in there current guise. And you can close my local office tomorrow for all the difference it makes.

Right so. Forget the ifa. What does the new lean, mean national farm organization look like? What would rock willfarmans boat and part him from a decent subscription?

mf240

Not paid by the factories or creameries .

No orginisation will ever be perfect but that is a deal breaker.

Bass Reeves

I think if you read this thread you can draw a few conclusions. The majority of (I will not say bigger) dairy farmers want the IFA at any cost most of the rest of us could not give a f@@K. Why has the IFA disheartened a large cadre of farmers. I remember warning about this a few years ago from an alter ego.

It is really about an issue across Irish society. There is a picture in this morning's Irish Independent front page. It is interesting that this picture happened to be on the papers front page the same day that the FI is talking about the IFA. You might ask what has the OCI to do with the IFA. For that matter add in REHAB, Console, Irish Water, SIPTU and the Dart drivers. It is all to do with greed.

There is a recurring question at the moment that FI and IFJ are putting across, and it is not a question but a slogan that farmers really need the IFA. But should be that some farmers need the IFA for the rest of us they are not worth a f@@k. Look at it this way during the last CAP negotiations they were as,if not more worried about protecting retired farmers SFP than they were about small west of Ireland farmers. Similarly they got GLAS set up so that its main benificarys are semi retired farmers.

Yet the main payers for the last 20 years are beef farmers the way the levy is structured Beef farmers could have paid the levy 2,3 and even 4 or more time on the same animal. The IFA had the till rattling and a lot of this anger from beef farmers has come from what they see is inability of the IFA to take on beef processors. There is a perception out there amongst these smaller beef farmers that really the IFA consider them as cannon fodder. We still have not got producers groups sorted why so, the IFA was busy lobbying that some producers groups should be allowed to have as little as 10 members. You might wonder why so was it so that larger contracted feedlots could get preferential treatment.

The IFA its self has got archaic for instance a large share of those were paying into the organisation could not run for higher office as they worked outside farming for a living. Same with west of Ireland farmers exiting the IFA to form the INHFA. So why did this happen is it because the IFA cannot no longer represent farmers as a single group. I think that is part of it this has come about partly due to the unwillingness to restructure the way EU funds are spend.

The catalyst for the straw that broke the camels back was greed. The perception by the top table and the fulltime officiership that like l'Oreal that they were worth it and that thing need never change and they could suckle away at the the all giving breast of the IFA. It amazing that nearly a year on there are some that still consider that Pat Smith was worth it. They also consider that he has done no wrong. In any representative organisation moral authority is as important as legal authority.

Pat Hickey of IOC has done nothing that was illegal on Ireland even if he took part (I am not even hinting that he did) in diverting tickets to a ticket seller that was going to sell them at higher than face value. We have had this issue in Ireland for the last 20 years. However the same legal situation is not in Brazil, if he did (and again I am not hinting that he did) it was illegal.

But there is a second question that raises its head. It can be applied to official Ireland it is that there is a perception that ordinary middle Ireland should accept this going on and not question the morality of it. As long as it is legal it is ok. Last Sunday Paul Kimmage wrote a very interesting piece about Pat Hickey.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rio-2016-olympics/paul-kimmage-how-did-pat-hickey-become-the-most-hated-man-in-irish-sport-34981713.html

I think we should remember ''power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts''. It is often not what is illegal that these people should look at but what is morally acceptable. That is the quandary the IFA fell into it was the all powerfull farmers lobby.......was it corrupt in the end........ did absolute power corrupt.

I will let you decide.



By the way feel free to shoot the messenger.

paddysdream

Waffletraktor wrote: »

So who will represent your interest at the next round of cap? Considering beef farms constantly bemoan poor income and how much subs make up, with the type of cuts coming to realign Western Europe with the east and all the enviro requirements.
How well has the last pfft 25 years of shouting how terrible the meat factories are, a new tact is required to go for high end rather than try beat feedlot by working together.
If farmers don't take a proactive approach nothing to their benefit will happen, guess it will give bar stool heroes more to moan about.

But were the IFA etc not representing us for the last 25 years and being well funded to do so(going by what figures were in the media over the past year)
Looking at the renumeration paid to both the staff and the "voluntary" people nobody could claim to be underfunded or left short.

So after all this we have seen 25 years of reducing farm incomes and let's be honest,farming and farmers seem to have lost their position as one of the leading social partners despite the spin from certain papers.If a well funded farming union have both let farmers incomes fall like this and pi*s off a sizeable proportion of the very people they claim to represent then maybe the problem is internal.

Feel the IFA are going the way of some of the dinosaur unions who have ,through intrangisance and an inability to see anything but a very narrow world view,become irrelevant in the modern world.
Things like meat factory protests,tractor convoy's to Dublin and supermarket trolley tricks are seen by farmers(and the general public)as publicity stunts to try and seem relevant.To the general farming populace these things are a laughable excuse for real action or idea's.

Even the threat of block voting by farmers is a bygone idea as the sector has become ever more diverse with many earning their mortgage payments off farm and their farming activities take on a part time hobby aspect that would prob. surprise previous generations.

That's the reality of Irish farming today and as a full time farmer I accept that the majority(by number if not output) are not as tied to their farms for an income as before.
More and more of our income(prob. apart from the dairying sector)comes from schemes,top up's,glorified greening schemes etc etc. That's the sad reality of today's agriculture.
Are the IFA to be applauded for their "success" in lobbying for these schemes(despite the fact that 99.99% would be there anyways IFA or no IFA) or decried for taking their eye off the ball or a mixture of both?

Do I feel that they need all that money?Prob. not

Do I think that an opt out system is wrong and possibly illegal and if not illegal then sharp practice? Most definitely yes.

Do I think that voluntary members should be just that ie voluntary?Yes.Nobody should expect every expense they incur to be covered.Are they not helping their own business as well as that of their fellow farmers?

Do I feel that if the IFA disappeared in the morning any difference would be felt ?Prob. not.

Do I think that those like the Gen. Sec. and certain other leading lights were creaming it without delivering for farmers?Yes.They were delivering for the IFA but what a lot (without mentioning names) forgot was that the IFA were not and are not Irish farming but just a representative body for some.this was esp. clear during the moneygate row and the subsequent unseemly farago that the election descended into.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't care what they do now as they wont be getting another bob out of me in there current guise. And you can close my local office tomorrow for all the difference it makes.

If you're a beef farmer,chances are you're getting a substantially higher bps because of the work of IFA to protect good beef farmers entitlements

J.O. Farmer

I think this thread shows why the IFA as an organisation will struggle to survive. They are a deeply divisive organisation within the sector they are supposed to represent.

With the Abp group changing to an opt in policy for the levies will others follow. Even if they don't how many farmers will actively instruct other factories and marts not to deduct the levy so the losses will be felt far beyond the abp group.

I don't believe that most farmers have an issue with a small deduction at the point of sale for an organisation that is there to represent their interests. The problem is that the organisation that's being funded is seen as elitist. The people at the top table have been seen to look after themselves and they seem to have had a shaft the little fella policy. The feeling is that they think if you're not a full time farmer your not a farmer.

For the IFA to survive as a viable organisation it's going to take some major reforms and given that the name is so toxic a rebrand. Unfortunately for that to happen the turkeys will need to vote for Christmas. The IFA may well survive but it will be a lame duck organisation with no real mandate to say that it's representing farmers more a select group of farmers and at that stage they will need to rebrand anyway. The times they are a changin and the IFA needs to change with them.

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

If you're a beef farmer,chances are you're getting a substantially higher bps because of the work of IFA to protect good beef farmers entitlements

If my daddy was a beef farmer many years ago my bps would have been set depending on how good he was at milking the system. However if he happened to be finishing heifers the bps I inherit is very humble and and it
Actually doesn't matter one jot what kind of farmer i am since. All I have to do is keep a few donkeys around the place. In fact with the less the farming I do the better my bps is protected from cross compliance.

Willfarman

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/date-set-for-initial-pat-smith-vs-ifa-high-court-proceedings/

Waffletraktor

paddysdream wrote: »

Waffletraktor wrote: »

So who will represent your interest at the next round of cap? Considering beef farms constantly bemoan poor income and how much subs make up, with the type of cuts coming to realign Western Europe with the east and all the enviro requirements.
How well has the last pfft 25 years of shouting how terrible the meat factories are, a new tact is required to go for high end rather than try beat feedlot by working together.
If farmers don't take a proactive approach nothing to their benefit will happen, guess it will give bar stool heroes more to moan about.

But were the IFA etc not representing us for the last 25 years and being well funded to do so(going by what figures were in the media over the past year)
Looking at the renumeration paid to both the staff and the "voluntary" people nobody could claim to be underfunded or left short.

So after all this we have seen 25 years of reducing farm incomes and let's be honest,farming and farmers seem to have lost their position as one of the leading social partners despite the spin from certain papers.If a well funded farming union have both let farmers incomes fall like this and pi*s off a sizeable proportion of the very people they claim to represent then maybe the problem is internal.

Feel the IFA are going the way of some of the dinosaur unions who have ,through intrangisance and an inability to see anything but a very narrow world view,become irrelevant in the modern world.
Things like meat factory protests,tractor convoy's to Dublin and supermarket trolley tricks are seen by farmers(and the general public)as publicity stunts to try and seem relevant.To the general farming populace these things are a laughable excuse for real action or idea's.

Even the threat of block voting by farmers is a bygone idea as the sector has become ever more diverse with many earning their mortgage payments off farm and their farming activities take on a part time hobby aspect that would prob. surprise previous generations.

That's the reality of Irish farming today and as a full time farmer I accept that the majority(by number if not output) are not as tied to their farms for an income as before.
More and more of our income(prob. apart from the dairying sector)comes from schemes,top up's,glorified greening schemes etc etc. That's the sad reality of today's agriculture.
Are the IFA to be applauded for their "success" in lobbying for these schemes(despite the fact that 99.99% would be there anyways IFA or no IFA) or decried for taking their eye off the ball or a mixture of both?

Do I feel that they need all that money?Prob. not

Do I think that an opt out system is wrong and possibly illegal and if not illegal then sharp practice? Most definitely yes.

Do I think that voluntary members should be just that ie voluntary?Yes.Nobody should expect every expense they incur to be covered.Are they not helping their own business as well as that of their fellow farmers?

Do I feel that if the IFA disappeared in the morning any difference would be felt ?Prob. not.

Do I think that those like the Gen. Sec. and certain other leading lights were creaming it without delivering for farmers?Yes.They were delivering for the IFA but what a lot (without mentioning names) forgot was that the IFA were not and are not Irish farming but just a representative body for some.this was esp. clear during the moneygate row and the subsequent unseemly farago that the election descended into.

Pathetic, this is your business to look after when it can be wiped out at the stroke of a commissioners pen the attitude is ahh shed.
The legacy of subs will be to make Irish farmers lazy and lacking innovation it would seem.

whelan2

Protest at drogheda port at the minute. By grain farmers

Willfarman

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Pathetic, this is your business to look after when it can be wiped out at the stroke of a commissioners pen the attitude is ahh shed.
The legacy of subs will be to make Irish farmers lazy and lacking innovation it would seem.

Now OP you see.

If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans its the IFA. And if there's any crowd worse than the IFA its lazy ungrateful farmers like me.
God damn I wish I had an ounce of pat smiths innovation.

paddysdream

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Pathetic, this is your business to look after when it can be wiped out at the stroke of a commissioners pen the attitude is ahh shed.
The legacy of subs will be to make Irish farmers lazy and lacking innovation it would seem.

Don't really follow you but we are talking about the IFA and not Irish farmers.Some people seem to find that distinction hard to understand.

If you feel that the IFA will protect your business then belt away and sign up for the EIF levy.Not for me to be honest but each to his own.
As far as I can see the IFA protected their own business and if it indirectly benefited farmers then well and good but if not then they still had a compliant and loyal demographic in which to sell insurance,phone packages and all that.

Waffletraktor

Willfarman wrote: »

Now OP you see.

If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans its the IFA. And if there's any crowd worse than the IFA its lazy ungrateful farmers like me.
God damn I wish I had an ounce of pat smiths innovation.

You specifically were bemoaning lack of profitability, what changes have you made?

alps

whelan2 wrote: »

Protest at drogheda port at the minute. By grain farmers

If this protest is not to be as sterile as the Foynes one, IFA need to name the Feed Companies using the product...

whelan2

alps wrote: »

If this protest is not to be as sterile as the Foynes one, IFA need to name the Feed Companies using the product...

I was talking to the lads before they set off, they didnt know at that stage who is importing the grain, one ship at the port and another on the way.Was a fair crowd heading to it

Willfarman

Waffletraktor wrote: »

You specifically were bemoaning lack of profitability, what changes have you made?

In terms of input into the IFA or in terms of doing my best within my own gate?

In terms of the IFA I paid 4!memberships here unquestionably after my father paying for himself his parents and my mother most of his working life. Also eif levies stopped without query since their installation. Attended all local branch meetings and up to 2 years ago any protest I could at relating to my own sectors. I was secretary in the local branch for a time.

The ifas ineffectiveness in modern times is one thing. I still would accept that it's the best Union we are likely to have.

but making millionaires out of ******** in suits off the backs of farmers is taking the proverbial and I and my family are finished with them in their current guise.

In terms of within my own gate I just do my best. Like everyone else.

whelan2

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/angry-tillage-farmers-protest-in-drogheda-over-grain-imports/

Bass Reeves

It is interesting to read todays IFJ page 17. THe journal has a snapshot of answrs from farmers regarding the ABP move. It really shows the disenchantment with the IFA by beef farmers. Six beef farmer are asked about the ABP moveall except one have no issue with it. The three dairy famers are angry with ABP's action.

It really shows the disenchantment with the levy system amoung beef farmers. It is also interesting to read within another article regarding the imbalance of the way funding is collected by the flat levy accross beef as opposed to beef farmers. I suppose it all comes down to that the present system is cheaper for dairy farmers rather than beef farmers.