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Sports in which women could compete against men

  • 21-08-2016 10:25am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭


    I've often wondered why men and women don't compete against each other in certain sports.

    Yes i know in the majority of sports physical strength comes into play and men would have an unfair advantage there

    but how about sports like...Darts, Snooker, Table Tennis, Badminton, Golf, Motor Sports etc ???

    i'd think it'd be great to watch the two sexes go head to head and make great TV viewing, so why doesn't it happen more?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Women do compete against men in motorsport.

    Also in equestrian events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Boxing. Katie Taylor would wipe the floor with me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    They'd be annihilated in tennis and golf - I would presume badminton too but don't know enough about it tbh.

    All the other sports you mentioned I don't see why they shouldn't be mixed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    fryup wrote: »
    I've often wondered why men and women don't compete against each other in certain sports.

    Yes i know in the majority of sports physical strength comes into play and men would have an unfair advantage there

    but how about sports like...Darts, Snooker, Table Tennis, Badminton, Golf, Motor Sports etc ???

    i'd think it'd be great to watch the two sexes go head to head and make great TV viewing, so why doesn't it happen more?

    Badminton is a serious endurance sport with emphasis on speed, strength and fitness. I speak from decades of experience. It is not an even playing field between the two sexes.

    Almost the same with most forms of motor sport.

    In golf you need strength and endurance also, so same comment there too and for table tennis.

    Darts and snooker would be the only two in your list that would maybe be even between the sexes...but they are just generally male centric from a cultural point of view.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    They'd be annihilated in tennis and golf - I would presume badminton too but don't know enough about it tbh.

    All the other sports you mentioned I don't see why they shouldn't be mixed

    Sure didn't some nobody man beat the Williams sisters a few years back


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Jen Pigs Fly


    Equestrian events - men and women compete equally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Equestrian events - men and women compete equally.

    No they don't. Horses do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    endacl wrote: »
    Boxing. Katie Taylor would wipe the floor with me.

    She would wipe the floor with me too but not against men trained in her division. Also not exactly a good image men fighting women really.

    Can we not just accept men and women have different physical attributes and just compete on that basis separately?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Jen Pigs Fly


    endacl wrote: »
    No they don't. Horses do.

    Mares and geldings? I suppose you're right :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    They'd be annihilated in tennis and golf - I would presume badminton too but don't know enough about it tbh.

    golf :confused: thats debatable

    apart from teeing off it'd be quite even i think


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    fryup wrote: »
    golf :confused: thats debatable

    apart from teeing off it'd be quite even i think

    Teeing off is quite important unless you want to make it a par three contest or pitch and putt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭TiGeR KiNgS


    fryup wrote: »
    I've often wondered why men and women don't compete against each other in certain sports.

    Yes i know in the majority of sports physical strength comes into play and men would have an unfair advantage there

    but how about sports like...Darts, Snooker, Table Tennis, Badminton, Golf, Motor Sports etc ???

    i'd think it'd be great to watch the two sexes go head to head and make great TV viewing, so why doesn't it happen more?

    In sport, the average male will outperform the average women in the same way elite male with outperform elite women.

    To answer your question, there are elite women competing in all of the above but at the highest level giving away even 1% is massive and the tendency therefore is for women is to fall short versus male.

    Plus the fact that men will focus and try harder when competing against a women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    Possibly synchronised swimming, equestrian events, sailing and certain gymnastics.

    In every other individual sport (contact and non-contact), the #1 man would destroy the #1 woman.

    It's a matter of power, dexterity and endurance.

    Anatomy at the end of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Chess?

    Theoretically.

    Of course, some might say chess isn't a sport...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Chess.They compete equally in Poker,(game/sport).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Chess?

    Theoretically.

    Of course, some might say chess isn't a sport...

    Agreed. Anything where there is not a physical element. Even table tennis a man would surely hit the ball faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »

    In every other individual sport (contact and non-contact), the #1 man would destroy the #1 woman.
    .

    Darts? Snooker? Table Tennis?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    fryup wrote: »
    Darts? Snooker? Table Tennis?

    Men play darts and snooker more than women. If you go to a snooker hall or pub, it's men that are playing.

    Hence, you'd expect the best male to easily beat the best female.

    I don't know much about table tennis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    but thats no reason why a woman couldn't compete and beat men in snooker & darts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Off the top of my head, they would be pretty equal in these sports:

    Archery
    Shooting
    Equestrian
    Sailing

    There may be other sports, but physical advantage such as height and weight would probably go against them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    fryup wrote: »
    Darts? Snooker? Table Tennis?

    I don't know much about table tennis, but it seems like reach would be an important factor. Men on average are significantly taller than women and have longer reach, so not an equal playing field.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    I did often wonder how Cora Staunton would have fared in a mens football match.

    She had unbelievable skill level and was fairly hardy as well (although obviously not near the mens level).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    but thats no reason why a woman couldn't compete and beat men in snooker & darts

    Men are still physically stronger than women even in these sports. Still think there is an advantage particularly snooker where cue ball power can be relevant in a frame.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Zxclnic


    Politics.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In sport, the average male will outperform the average women in the same way elite male with outperform elite women.

    To answer your question, there are elite women competing in all of the above but at the highest level giving away even 1% is massive and the tendency therefore is for women is to fall short versus male.

    Plus the fact that men will focus and try harder when competing against a women.

    Should meet my feminist friends!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    maudgonner wrote: »
    I don't know much about table tennis, but it seems like reach would be an important factor. Men on average are significantly taller than women and have longer reach, so not an equal playing field.

    in table tennis reach is a minor advantage, the best players are Chinese and they are a small race


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Chess?

    Theoretically.

    Of course, some might say chess isn't a sport...


    If you don't have to change your shoes its not a sport :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    fryup wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    but thats no reason why a woman couldn't compete and beat men in snooker & darts

    I'm not suggesting that women can't compete in principle and win sometimes.

    I'm suggesting that the average male would beat the average female. And the elite male would beat the elite female.

    It's not sexism, it's anatomy and skillset


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    lawn bowling, croquette, diving.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Stealthfins


    Women seem to do better at fly fishing than men.

    They can cast and are more gentle with their approach.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I think the biathlon in the winter olympics is segregated because the women are better, the top women are better than the top men anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Off the top of my head, they would be pretty equal in these sports:

    Archery
    Shooting
    Equestrian
    Sailing

    There may be other sports, but physical advantage such as height and weight would probably go against them.

    Archery would only be equal at short distances, you need strength and draw length (arm length) to shoot accurately at longer distances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    I did often wonder how Cora Staunton would have fared in a mens football match.

    She had unbelievable skill level and was fairly hardy as well (although obviously not near the mens level).

    Cora is an unbelievable athlete. And she's still playing BTW :) I believe she did play with boys when she first started, there was no girls team in her club.

    Fun fact: the teacher who first pushed her to get involved in GAA is Aoibhinn Ní Shuilleabháin's dad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    looksee wrote: »
    Archery would only be equal at short distances, you need strength and draw length (arm length) to shoot accurately at longer distances.
    AFAIK, Olympic archery is shot at 70m by both women and men. I know that's not all archery, but it's clearly the pinnacle for the sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I think the biathlon in the winter olympics is segregated because the women are better, the top women are better than the top men anyway.
    They do a shorter circuit than the men. It's 20Km for the men and 15Km for the women in the individual event. In the sprint it's 10Km/7.5Km and in the pursuit it's 12.5Km/10Km.

    All the events have a shorter distance for women basically. Even in the mixed relay they do a shorter distance.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar


    clay pigeon shooting ?

    maybe...BMX? (half them fall over anyway)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I think the biathlon in the winter olympics is segregated because the women are better, the top women are better than the top men anyway.

    Not even close to being true. As mentioned, they do shorter distances (same in Cross Country skiing), and even outside that, the best male skiers would annihilate the best female skiers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    Dog sledding, including dry land mushing isn't segregated. I guess an argument could be made that, as in equestrian, its about the animal more than human, but in the sprint races, being light can be an advantage, so women do very well. Usually dog powered sports are equal, but dog assisted, such as canicross and bikejore are segregated, especially at the highest level, as the athleticism of the human is just as important as that of the dog.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    Hide and Seek.

    The Irish are good at that as Hickey showed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    fryup wrote: »
    golf :confused: thats debatable

    apart from teeing off it'd be quite even i think

    Not even close. They tried it a few years ago with a top lady golfer in a men's competition. She failed miserably and the idea was shelved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    I did often wonder how Cora Staunton would have fared in a mens football match.

    She had unbelievable skill level and was fairly hardy as well (although obviously not near the mens level).

    So long as she could take a dive and feign injury, she'd be grand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    Hide and Seek.

    The Irish are good at that as Hickey showed.

    But he got caught, can we claim lord lucan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Angling.
    I'm fishing :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    maudgonner wrote: »
    Cora is an unbelievable athlete. And she's still playing BTW :) I believe she did play with boys when she first started, there was no girls team in her club.

    Fun fact: the teacher who first pushed her to get involved in GAA is Aoibhinn Ní Shuilleabháin's dad.

    Yes she is but she wouldn't compete in men's GAA that's just not possible, not to take anything away from her. Just literally a different ball game, ladies GAA is non contact officially. Girls can compete up to puberty but not after that. That's why the sports are segregated.

    But to answer the question, certain gymnastics events. Smaller, lighter body types do better. Possibly diving too, so the more artistic and agility basedcevents rather than strength/speed type.

    However, I must say I enjoyed the ladies events in the Olympics every bit as much as the men's even if they weren't traveling as fast, moving more weight etc.

    Female athletes are hot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Cianmcliam


    Sure didn't some nobody man beat the Williams sisters a few years back

    After playing golf and having two beers apparently!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭DJIMI TRARORE


    Hide and Seek.


    Women wouldn't stay quiet long nuf to play this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Lads have none of yas seen the Always Ultra ads!!??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,908 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Not table tennis.

    I played at a fairly decent standard when I was younger (couple of provincial medals). I played the number 1 NI girl at the time and I beat her - I remember her crying after it.

    Very few sports where a woman could compete equally with a man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    800m...oh wait!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    They do a shorter circuit than the men. It's 20Km for the men and 15Km for the women in the individual event. In the sprint it's 10Km/7.5Km and in the pursuit it's 12.5Km/10Km.

    All the events have a shorter distance for women basically. Even in the mixed relay they do a shorter distance.
    its only right that they do shorter distances , give them a chance to get home to get the dinner ready and do other proper women's stuff


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