Since when did God start controlling the outcome of boxing matches

Boardz Fiend

So God decides who wins at the Olympics? Is it based on who trains hardest, or who prays the hardest. I may get slated here for knocking the nations sweetheart but thats one whopper delusion Katie Taylor is under!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/katie-taylors-post-fight-interview-is-heartbreaking-to-watch-749845.html

washman3

How many medals have you won in boxing as a matter of interest.??
When Katie reviews this fight she will know it was decided by at least one colour-blind/corrupt judge.

tomo75

He is too busy with the weather to be dealing with boxing matches....

super_furry

washman3 wrote: »

How many medals have you won in boxing as a matter of interest.??
When Katie reviews this fight she will know it was decided by at least one colour-blind/corrupt judge.

Not a chance. She was well beaten and lost that fight fair and square, it would have been a travesty if she got the decision.

First Up

washman3 wrote:

How many medals have you won in boxing as a matter of interest.?? When Katie reviews this fight she will know it was decided by at least one colour-blind/corrupt judge.

Presumably that corrupt judge was acting on God's instructions?

Boardz Fiend

washman3 wrote: »

How many medals have you won in boxing as a matter of interest.??
When Katie reviews this fight she will know it was decided by at least one colour-blind/corrupt judge.

I'm in complete agreement about the judge. I wasnt commenting on her boxing, I was commenting on her remark about Gods plan.

keith16

To be fair, she is not the first, or not the last athlete to say things like this.

irishgrover

What's the point of this thread. Katie Taylor is and always has been extremely religious. I can't imagine how anybody who knows anything about her is not aware of this.
Fair enough you are free to take the piss out of that however and whenever you want. But taking the piss out of someone when they are at their lowest point is just pretty pathetic

Water John

Whatever floats her boat.
Have a family member who is extremely religous, grates a bit, but you let it slide.

Yes, only one round Katie won clearly yet one judge did not even give her that one. Other two judges I wouldn't argue with.

Aineoil

super_furry wrote: »

Not a chance. She was well beaten and lost that fight fair and square, it would have been a travesty if she got the decision.

I don't think Katie was well beaten. It was a split decision by the judges at the end.

First Up

Boardz Fiend wrote:

So God decides who wins at the Olympics? Is it based on who trains hardest, or who prays the hardest. I may get slated here for knocking the nations sweetheart but thats one whopper delusion Katie Taylor is under!

irishgrover wrote:

What's the point of this thread. Katie Taylor is and always has been extremely religious. I can't imagine how anybody who knows anything about her is not aware of this. Fair enough you are free to take the piss out of that however and whenever you want. But taking the piss out of someone when they are at their lowest point is just pretty pathetic

I think the OP's point is how do religious people (any religion) balance/reconcile their own efforts with "God's will"? At what point do you stop blaming (or thanking) your god and just take personal responsibility?

In a similar vein, I've seen survivors of disasters (floods, hurricanes, plane crashes) attribute their escape to God's will and declare it proof of God's existence.

Presumably the victims unable to so testify (because they are dead) might have a different take on it.

First Up

Aineoil wrote:

I don't think Katie was well beaten. It was a split decision by the judges at the end.

I thought she clearly lost.

irishgrover

First Up wrote:

I think the OP's point is how do religious people (any religion) balance/reconcile their own efforts with "God's will"? At what point do you stop blaming (or thanking) your god and just take personal responsibility?

I understand (and totally agree with his point), I just don't agree with pissing on people when they are already in the gutter.....

magicbastarder

First Up wrote: »

I think the OP's point is how do religious people (any religion) balance/reconcile their own efforts with "God's will"?

it's the 'job' of someone who is religious to give thanks to god. kinda goes with the territory; i don't think they see any reason to balance it; if you believe an omnipotent superbeing created you and loves you, you probably think it logical to thank them.

i'm kinda just stating the obvious here, amn't i?

First Up

irishgrover wrote:

I understand (and totally agree with his point), I just don't agree with pissing on people when they are already in the gutter.....

Its a perfectly reasonable point to make in a forum about religion (or the lack of it.)

It might be different in a boxing forum.

jockeyboard

Why would what she said annoy you? Says more about you then her.

irishgrover

First Up wrote:

Its a perfectly reasonable point to make in a forum about religion (or the lack of it.)

Agreed, I have no issue with the point, I just think its just such an obvious point of view that it has no value.
Bit like a child pointing at another child after falling in a playground and pointing and shooting "Ha Ha, you fell"...
That's it really, nothing else.

First Up

magicbastarder wrote:

it's the 'job' of someone who is religious to give thanks to god. kinda goes with the territory; i don't think they see any reason to balance it; if you believe an omnipotent superbeing created you and loves you, you probably think it logical to thank them.

So do you just rationalise it by accepting that on this ocassion, they loved the other person a bit more?

First Up

irishgrover wrote:

Agreed, I have no issue with the point, I just think its just such an obvious point of view that it has no value. Bit like a child pointing at another child after falling in a playground and pointing and shooting "Ha Ha, you fell"... That's it really, nothing else.

Fair enough. I think it is all nonsense anyway so I should probably stay out of it.

ethical

So some people have beliefs and faith and should be accepted for it.Full stop! Live and let live.I thought we had changed in Ireland and were now accepting that people have differing views on topics,this is not a bad thing ,is it? So stop acting the GOBSH1TE and accept that there are different people with differing views in our land.Live and let live. Katie is a hero for entertaining the Irish people and indeed many others for a good many years and she is not finished yet.

First Up

ethical wrote:

So some people have beliefs and faith and should be accepted for it.Full stop! Live and let live.I thought we had changed in Ireland and were now accepting that people have differing views on topics,this is not a bad thing ,is it? So stop acting the GOBSH1TE and accept that there are different people with differing views in our land.Live and let live. Katie is a hero for entertaining the Irish people and indeed many others for a good many years and she is not finished yet.

Whatever.

BoJack Horseman

ethical wrote: »

Live and let live

The RCC & it's century long grip on Irish society beg to differ.

ethical

Them FCUKERS should all be castrated....cut out the middleman!

Hotblack Desiato

If prayer worked, WADA or whoever would have to figure out a way to ban it

Boardz Fiend

jockeyboard wrote: »

Why would what she said annoy you? Says more about you then her.

Annoys me, no. Perplexes me, yes.

vicwatson

The judges have been bastards to all our boxers this olympics

Bristolscale7

FACT: Katie Taylor has not won a decent match since the Marriage Referendum
CONCLUSION: GOD IS PUNISHING IRELAND

/sarcasm

Boardz Fiend

irishgrover wrote: »

What's the point of this thread. Katie Taylor is and always has been extremely religious. I can't imagine how anybody who knows anything about her is not aware of this.
Fair enough you are free to take the piss out of that however and whenever you want. But taking the piss out of someone when they are at their lowest point is just pretty pathetic

Mehhh... i think if an athlete goes on national TV to proclaim that the results of the Olympics are preordained by their God, then its perfectly reasonable and fair to question that point in an Atheism forum ( a forum i guess Katie is unlikely to be reading anyway).

Stealthfins

Boardz Fiend wrote:

Mehhh... i think if an athlete goes on national TV to proclaim that the results of the Olympics are preordained by their God, then its perfectly reasonable and fair to question that point in an Atheism forum ( a forum i guess Katie is unlikely to be reading anyway).

I can't wait for the conclusion of this debate.

Another waste of internet space.

So what she's religious
Is her beliefs going to have any effect on your life ?

I think your post says more about you really.

learn_more

Is she not blaming her loss on God? She seems to be implying that 'oh well, I've done my best and I still haven't won so God must have decided it wasn't to be'. Kinda thing.

God must be extra busy this fortnight deciding who wins and who looses during the olympics. And remember , he has to decide who gets pass the heats/rounds so it's not just a case of awarding the medals. See, being God ain't as straightforward as it might seem.

The Bishop Basher

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

So God decides who wins at the Olympics? Is it based on who trains hardest, or who prays the hardest. I may get slated here for knocking the nations sweetheart but thats one whopper delusion Katie Taylor is under!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/katie-taylors-post-fight-interview-is-heartbreaking-to-watch-749845.html

And

_Brian

I have to say this thread is just like many "atheists" I know. It's more that they are anti-religion rather than atheist.
They seem to think that by pulling the piss out of religious people and their faith that it somehow makes them better atheists.

minikin

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

So God decides who wins at the Olympics? Is it based on who trains hardest, or who prays the hardest. I may get slated here for knocking the nations sweetheart but thats one whopper delusion Katie Taylor is under!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/katie-taylors-post-fight-interview-is-heartbreaking-to-watch-749845.html

Hardly the first time someone has blamed god/men of god after sustaining a pounding in the ring.

(guess which clip we're going to be watching on Reeling in the Years for the next eleventy five years)

Richard Hillman

In fairness to her she credits God for both her wins and victories as opposed to just the good times. She is still mad as a bag of spanner. I could never warm to her.

Pawwed Rig

If it was part of God's plan should her coach not accept it and move on? How can Katy work with a man who defies God in this way?

RobAMerc

I actually think it is more sad that she belittled her own hard work and grit by attributing her wins to Gods will.
She owes us nothing by the way. Well done Katie.

8-10

_Brian wrote: »

I have to say this thread is just like many "atheists" I know. It's more that they are anti-religion rather than atheist.
They seem to think that by pulling the piss out of religious people and their faith that it somehow makes them better atheists.

Agreed. Whether religious or atheist I don't think anybody should be wasting their time judging others for their beliefs. It everyone thought exactly the same we'd have a boring ass world. Power to you for standing by your own beliefs but trying to belittle others is a pointless exercise that is presumably only to make you feel better about your own.

A_Sober_Paddy

_Brian wrote: »

I have to say this thread is just like many "atheists" I know. It's more that they are anti-religion rather than atheist.
They seem to think that by pulling the piss out of religious people and their faith that it somehow makes them better atheists.

Well if someone believes in nonsense, which has zero proof to back it up, then those are people with deminished intelligence, or just super gullible

8-10

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well if someone believes in nonsense, which has zero proof to back it up, then those are people with deminished intelligence, or just super gullible

Is it ok to pull the piss out of somebody with diminished intelligence?

Cabaal

Bristolscale7 wrote: »

FACT: Katie Taylor has not won a decent match since the Marriage Referendum
CONCLUSION: GOD IS PUNISHING IRELAND

/sarcasm

Your forgot to mention the bad weather!
God controls the weather and the weather has been crap because of SSM :pac:

_Brian

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well if someone believes in nonsense, which has zero proof to back it up, then those are people with deminished intelligence, or just super gullible

I appreciate people holding that opinion. But actively going out of their way to demean people with faith ?? Why ?

It's a sad person that makes themselves feel better by knocking others and making them feel bad and that's the behaviour of many atheists.

magicbastarder

Cabaal wrote: »

Your forgot to mention the bad weather!

*looks out window*


eh...

54and56

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's the 'job' of someone who is religious to give thanks to god. kinda goes with the territory; i don't think they see any reason to balance it; if you believe an omnipotent superbeing created you and loves you, you probably think it logical to thank them.

If wonder why anyone, Katie or otherwise, who truly believes there is an omnipotent "god" who has a grand plan for them and their whole life laid out including the moment they pop their clogs bothers looking left and right when crossing the road. I know it's good practice for those of us who don't have a life long plan already in place for us but surely its a waste of time for the likes of Katie?

The Bishop Basher

RobAMerc wrote: »

I actually think it is more sad that she belittled her own hard work and grit by attributing her wins to Gods will.
She owes us nothing by the way. Well done Katie.

I would agree.. It's a shame that she gives the credit for all her hard work away so easy but it's her choice at the end of the day...

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well if someone believes in nonsense, which has zero proof to back it up, then those are people with deminished intelligence, or just super gullible

Says the anonymous internet keyboard warrior who can't spell "diminished" about a national and European boxing champion with an Olympic gold medal.. :rolleyes:

Alf Veedersane

Some people thank God in victory, some people find it easier to take when they say it's not part of his grand plan when they lose, some people think that a dead loved one was looking out for them when they had a close call....they're all variations on a theme.

If some people (i.e those of diminished intelligence, extreme gullibility) get some comfort from these things, then so what?

First Up

_Brian wrote:

I have to say this thread is just like many "atheists" I know. It's more that they are anti-religion rather than atheist. They seem to think that by pulling the piss out of religious people and their faith that it somehow makes them better atheists.

The OP raised a legitimate point about how Katie Taylor illustrates the contradictions among those who have unwavering belief in "God's will" and personal effort/responsibility.

It should be possible to discuss that without diverting into the result of a particular boxing match or Katie Talyor's status in Irish sport.

looksee

How many people could have pulled themselves together as she did, to comment at all? I have no time for either boxing or suggestions that god is making individual decisions for each of us, but the strength of will she showed in making any statement at all was impressive.

magicbastarder

First Up wrote: »

The OP raised a legitimate point about how Katie Taylor illustrates the contradictions among those who have unwavering belief in "God's will" and personal effort/responsibility.

but it's a given that someone religious is going to say things about god or belief that you don't agree with. so highlighting it is kinda redundant in a sense.

First Up

magicbastarder wrote:

but it's a given that someone religious is going to say things about god or belief that you don't agree with. so highlighting it is kinda redundant in a sense.

It is still legitimate to ask people of such belief how they reconcile it with reality.

It might be unfair to expect Katie to be able to, but it is notable that those defending "faith" here can't do it either.

The Bishop Basher

First Up wrote: »

It is still legitimate to ask people of such belief how they reconcile it with reality.

It might be unfair to expect Katie to be able to, but it is notable that those defending "faith" here can't do it either.

Why does it matter though ?

Why should anyone have to justify their sincerely held beliefs to you ?

magicbastarder

First Up wrote: »

It is still legitimate to ask people of such belief how they reconcile it with reality.

it may be 'legitimate' but is it polite?