Double standards

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I follow a journalist on snapchat who declares herself a feminist.
She speaks a lot about men objectifying women and how it's not okay, it's never ok. This weekend she was at an event, where there was a lot of hot men and she commented on how hot they were, while then going on to talk about how having the ring girls in the ring was unnessessary, and sexist, an objectified women.

A lot of her followers seemed to call her out on the double standards, and she went on to state that it's different for men and woman as we aren't equal. That a man groping a woman is bigger, stronger, and groping from his pleasure, objectifying that woman. But that women groping men - while not a nice thing to do - is done for a laugh and because they're drunk and they're not leaving men in fear for their safety.

She makes the point women can't be sexist in the same way a black person cannot be racist, as they're in the superiority group.

As for my thoughts on the situation - while I see the point she makes, I can't agree with her on the sexism or racist points. I think in one way, if a girl is groped, sometimes it's acceptable for her to defend herself, whereas if a man gets groped, he can't do anything unless he wants the whole place to turn on him.

I'd be interested in hearing AHs opinions. Can women be sexist? Can a minority group be racist?

TerrorFirmer

The answer is quite simply a straight forward yes, no matter how much deluded idiots try to dress it up to suit their agenda.

Mister Vain

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Can women be sexist?

Yes.

Can a minority group be racist?

Yes.

Fleawuss

I'm going for a pint. Another one.

wakka12

I can see where she's coming from but it really invalidates her stance as a feminist. Wouldnt respect a word that comes out of her mouth tbh

sassyj

Loads of people call themselves feminists, but in reality have no f**king clue what it actually means.

andekwarhola

It's just an intellectual contortion to justify her own 'sexism' without endangering her career.

The_Valeyard

Anyone can be racist, sexist or just a c*nt. Regardless of minority status, background, ethics, religion, or any other excuse that could be made up.

ScumLord

LexieOnRale wrote: »

As for my thoughts on the situation - while I see the point she makes, I can't agree with her on the sexism or racist points. I think in one way, if a girl is groped, sometimes it's acceptable for her to defend herself, whereas if a man gets groped, he can't do anything unless he wants the whole place to turn on him.

To be fair, there's a massive difference between a women being objectified by a group of men, and a man being objectified by a group of women. The man might be embarrassed, angry but there's never any sense of danger. Men are very large, dangerous animals. We might be tame these days and I'd say the majority of men would never be any danger to a woman, but we're still often twice their size, regardless of intention we must look scary from a woman's perspective. If I meet a dude 2ft taller than me I'd be intimidated no matter how nice he was.

The feminist movement is a bit of a joke at this point though, it's making noise just to be heard. Which could be said about any special interest group trying to operate in today's media circus.

Pyr0

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'd be interested in hearing AHs opinions. Can women be sexist? Can a minority group be racist?

Yes to both.

Mr. Incognito

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a19790/maisie-williams-feminism/

Sums it up well

GLaDOS

Thank god AH finally has a chance to complain about feminism

py2006

'Modern' feminism is all about double standards, hypocrisy, entitlement, sexism and for the real hardcore supremacy and misandry.

mickrock

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Can women be sexist?

Yes, they're really sexist in this very hot weather when they wear very little and nothing is left to the imagination!

Summer wind

Yes women can be sexist and yes black people can be racist. We are all human.

the_syco

ScumLord wrote: »

To be fair, there's a massive difference between a women being objectified by a group of men, and a man being objectified by a group of women. The man might be embarrassed, angry but there's never any sense of danger.

If the group of women said that they'd all being raped by the man, he'd be fcuked for life.

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a19790/maisie-williams-feminism/

Sums it up well

As feminism is the bettering of rights for females, calling everyone not feminist as sexist is nearly calling the kettle black.

Riddle101

She's deluded and sexist, and gives feminism a bad name.

harry Bailey esq

https://youtu.be/64-WBJ5Ykw4

the groutch

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I follow a journalist on snapchat who declares herself a feminist............

Niamh Horan, right?

Joe prim

I don't understand the troll's OP's original question, but I am a lonely guy who is available for groping. (American papers please copy)

Widdershins

Just because a man is probably physically bigger doesn't mean he is necessarily immune to feeling intimidated and just because someone is smaller than you doesn't mean they can't/won't harm you.
Basic manners should preclude us from leching over people regardless of their gender.

tritium

Of course theyd say the same standards dont apply to them. Isnt that sort of hypocrisy the standard defence when youre called on something like that? Its just a gentle variation of the "im not racist but...." line. Dont balme her for trying it when sheep in the wider media will just give her a free pass on that ****e.

osarusan

I can understand the argument that there is an institutional element to some instances of racism/sexism, but at the same time, if one person is treating another person differently purely because of their race/sex, what else can it be called?

Sure, not every instance is institutional racism/sexism, but it is racism/sexism nevertheless.

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the groutch wrote: »

Niamh Horan, right?

No, Rosemary McCabe

Maximus Alexander

I can see both sides of this to be honest. On the one hand, I do think it's possible for women to be sexist and I can imagine situations in today's society where them doing so in groups could cause actual harm to men. I don't mean physically, but mentally, emotionally or economically for example.

On the other hand, with respect to the example given, I've never met a man who had a problem with being objectified by women. I certainly don't. So I don't see any actual harm being done and it's all a bit of silly navel-gazing. Whereas I personally know women who have been left intimidated or worse for being objectified by men.

py2006

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No, Rosemary McCabe

Don't forget Louise O'Neil (Examiner) and Una Mulally (Times).

Serious headcases.

hatrickpatrick

and she went on to state that it's different for men and woman as we aren't equal

Ah yes, the "privilege" argument. Or to put it another way, "because the world sucks at the moment, it's ok for us to make it suck even more instead of trying to help fix it".

Amanda.ie

I have yet to meet a feminist who wasn't full of double standards. The lady the OP is talking about is an attention seeker at best.

Herb Powell

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I follow a journalist on snapchat who declares herself a feminist.
She speaks a lot about men objectifying women and how it's not okay, it's never ok. This weekend she was at an event, where there was a lot of hot men and she commented on how hot they were, while then going on to talk about how having the ring girls in the ring was unnessessary, and sexist, an objectified women.

A lot of her followers seemed to call her out on the double standards

Well hang on now, there is a bit of a difference between commenting on people being good-looking and the actual objectification here, the ring girls. Don't know exactly what event you're talking about, but I assume they were girls whose purpose was just being there and looking pretty
, not realistically doing much else.

I don't see a double standard/hypcrisy here, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation?

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Herb Powell wrote: »

Well hang on now, there is a bit of a difference between commenting on people being good-looking and the actual objectification here, the ring girls. Don't know exactly what event you're talking about, but I assume they were girls whose purpose was just being there and looking pretty
, not realistically doing much else.

I don't see a double standard/hypcrisy here, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation?

It brought on the discussion. Her followers commented on her talking about the lads being big rides and then when she got a bit outraged about the ring girls, who I suppose the men thought were big rides.

Then followed it up with women can't be sexist because they don't pose the same threat.

Your Face

All I know is - I loves the wimminz with da big booty. Holla!