Should motorbikes be banned?

rjpf1980

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

Skylinehead

How are they a danger to society exactly?

Winterlong

Skylinehead wrote: »

How are they a danger to society exactly?

Have you never seen Marlon Brando in the Wild one?!!!

freshpopcorn

No, they shouldn't be banned.
I'd however like to see a law that banned them from weaving in between queuing traffic in order for them to skip the que!

Shenshen

That's a lot of anger for a few TV ads.

Smondie

I don't mind motorbikes but the test for the licence should include more hours lessons and the age raised to 25.

The other day an idiot with 2red lights in place of the headlights came towards me. He was overtaking 5 cars on bad bends. People like that shouldn't be on the road.

Shenshen

freshpopcorn wrote: »

No, they shouldn't be banned.
I'd however like to see a law that banned them from weaving in between queuing traffic in order for them to skip the que!

I'd like to see a law like that for cars, too, while we're at it.

Mint Sauce

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

I'm not a biker, but have great respect and time for most. So what about all the drivers who fail to check blind spots, and double check before turning into a main road and end up with a motorbike and rider in the side of their car.

Roger Hassenforder

Skylinehead wrote: »

How are they a danger to society exactly?

I walked passed a Honda 50 one day, I was terrified. It looked so menacing.

Ban them immediately.
Put the lunatic drivers in big steel cars where they will be much safer.

ScumLord

All the safety measures in your new car only help you up to a certain speed. Once your doing over 100kph, any sudden deceleration will turn the inside of your skull to mush, the car can protect the rest of your body but it's not going to do you any good if you're brain dead.

Motorcyclists just don't operate under the assumption they're safe like motorists do. I think there's a dangerous assumption in Ireland that driving slow is the same thing as driving safe. At least motorcyclists are aware of what they're doing, they're not the most dangerous things on our roads.

SEPT 23 1989

hopefully we will never see the end of it

faceman

I'm both a biker and a car driver. I've been involved in two collisions as a biker and both times the car driver was deemed at fault. I was not weaving/speeding or doing anything dangerous at the time.

Ban cars instead

BronsonTB

No they should NOT be banned! (As much as they have already tried to)

in return I think every car driver should be made drive a bike for a 3 month period as part of getting there licence.

Would greatly improve car driver awareness & appreciation....

Have the careless bike driver banned maybe...but not all bikers act like that!!

Punishing all would be very unfair.....

Have you ever tried to get a bike test & insure a bike?

Guy:Incognito

Shenshen wrote: »

I'd like to see a law like that for cars, too, while we're at it.

How long do you reckon youd last without getting pulled in if a gard saw you in a car going between 2 cars that are level with each other on a 2 lane motorway?

McDermotX

faceman wrote: »

I'm both a biker and a car driver. I've been involved in two collisions as a biker and both times the car driver was deemed at fault. I was not weaving/speeding or doing anything am dangerous at the time.

Ban cars instead

Same here.........and as a bonus, car drivers in both instances were uninsured.

Burial.

Simply ban sh*t road users. A vehicle is a vehicle, they all have their pros and cons. But incompetent road users offer nothing except a hazard to themselves and other road users.

Story Bud?

would ya gowan outta dat

smash

There's too many ads for tampons. We should ban periods!

Timberrrrrrrr

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

Let's ban walking instead :rolleyes:

http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

Of the 166 fatalities, there were 76 Drivers killed, 27 Passengers, 32 Pedestrians, 22 Motorcyclists and 9 Pedal Cyclists.

Story Bud?

smash wrote: »

There's too many ads for tampons. We should ban periods!

Ban them full stop.

inforfun

Banning motorcycles wouldnt result in the average motorist in Ireland all of a sudden being a good driver.

Ban the L driver first (not the person but the possibility) as there is no way to check every single car with an L on it breaking the rules or not.

Your Face

Its all the work of rowdy teens.

byte

smash wrote: »

There's too many ads for tampons. We should ban periods!

Won't somebody please think of the children?!

Shenshen

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How long do you reckon youd last without getting pulled in if a gard saw you in a car going between 2 cars that are level with each other on a 2 lane motorway?

Considering that the only times I've seen cars do that they were directly following a police car or ambulance, they don't appear to care all that much.

Skylinehead

Story Bud? wrote: »

Ban them full stop.

Full stops banned

You are now banned

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Crumple zones me hole, the body can only take so many g's before your toast. Cars should be absolute death traps take explode in fiery Hollywood explosions with the merest tip. No abs, power steering etc. and all cars rwd.
In a few years through natural selection road safety would be greatly increased.

the_yes_man

that would solve most of life's problems wouldnt it?

flatface

YES! Roads should be restricted to cars only, other strange forms of transport only confuse and upset me.

Only today I had to apply my brake to slow down for a biker, now my leg hurts. If it was only cars on the road, what a joy that would be! All those extra cars on the road would only make them safer as speeds reduce to zero.

the_yes_man

ScumLord wrote: »

All the safety measures in your new car only help you up to a certain speed. Once your doing over 100kph, any sudden deceleration will turn the inside of your skull to mush, the car can protect the rest of your body but it's not going to do you any good if you're brain dead.

Motorcyclists just don't operate under the assumption they're safe like motorists do. I think there's a dangerous assumption in Ireland that driving slow is the same thing as driving safe. At least motorcyclists are aware of what they're doing, they're not the most dangerous things on our roads.

do you know how fast formula one cars crash at? hint...its over 100km/hr
how many drivers have died while driving a formula one car in the last 20 years, another hint, less than 10 Id say, how many f1 drivers have crashed at speeds over 100 km/hr in the same
period? alot more than 10, what does that tell you?

4068ac1elhodqr

You're around x10 safer on a motorbike than 'any pedal bicycle' at lower speeds of 15-30+ with a proper helmet, full leathers, boots, gloves and very powerful brakes.

One thing you won't see a m'biker doing is chatting away on the phone with one hand in control of the vehicle, which is commonplace in cars.

Safety issues still need major improvements, ABS is becoming commonplace, some folks have D30 inserts and even airbags are starting to appear.

http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cb0b95a5898_-_safermoto-1.jpg

Shear thickening fluids (STFs), auxetic materials and Dyneema are the next generation of materials that will help save lives for anyone involved in impact risks and even sports.

the_yes_man

flatface wrote: »

YES! Roads should be restricted to cars only, other strange forms of transport only confuse and upset me.

Only today I had to apply my brake to slow down for a biker, now my leg hurts. If it was only cars on the road, what a joy that would be! All those extra cars on the road would only make them safer as speeds reduce to zero.

on the other hand there would be more parking accidents

TallGlass

If you think motorcyclists in IRL/UK are bad, you sir need to get yourself over to the Canary Islands. Now as a car driver/motorcyclist, both full licences, I wouldn't rent either on that island for risk of not coming back alive.

You do see odd god****e behaviour on motorcycles but not near as much as I see car drivers do. Only difference is car drivers usually walk away from most accidents.

Winterlong

Skye Hallowed Wingspan wrote: »

One thing you won't see a m'biker doing is chatting away on the phone with one hand in control of the vehicle, which is commonplace in cars.
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In fairness thuogh, some helmets have Bluetooth phone connectivity. I tried it once, very distracting!

ScumLord

the_yes_man wrote: »

do you know how fast formula one cars crash at? hint...its over 100km/hr
how many drivers have died while driving a formula one car in the last 20 years, another hint, less than 10 Id say, how many f1 drivers have crashed at speeds over 100 km/hr in the same
period? alot more than 10, what does that tell you?

Should have used a lot more shoulds and could haves, fair enough. But often impacts in F1 are after the car has been through more than one speed reduction traps. Go back 50 years in F1 before all those safety measures were brought in and you see that the majority of accidents ended in fatality. Drive an F1 car on a public road and an accident would probably lead to a fatality, professional race tracks have a lot of thought put into them so that accidents can happen without sudden deceleration. IE: Crashing into a tree or unprotected wall.

BreadnBuddha

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Blah blah blah outrage outrage outrage.

Waffle waffle angry angry

Thoughts?

Never going to happen.

If you're a car driver and you have the notion that bikers are as you describe, you should have your license revoked. Taking the line you take on bikers suggests you have no respect for another sizeable group of road users, therefore you have NO place taking to the roads you share with them.

hairyslug

we should ban pedestrians for all their walking and stuff, especially the ones that run on the road.

Yeah, bad pedestrians and BAN THEM NOW

the_yes_man

ScumLord wrote: »

Should have used a lot more shoulds and could haves, fair enough. But often impacts in F1 are after the car has been through more than one speed reduction traps. Go back 50 years in F1 before all those safety measures were brought in and you see that the majority of accidents ended in fatality. Drive an F1 car on a public road and an accident would probably lead to a fatality, professional race tracks have a lot of thought put into them so that accidents can happen without sudden deceleration. IE: Crashing into a tree or unprotected wall.

there are many tracks in the last 20 years that drivers should be dead from then as a result of crashes, canada , albert park, monaco, I take your points but you would need to really need to know a lot about f1 and more importantly the cornering speeds of those tracks and their proximity to the walls to realise they are impacting at more than 100km/hr at times despite the speed reduction measures in place at the time
so your almost point blank refusal to accept that 'if its over 100 km/hr IMPACT then you are dead' cant be right. therfore there is more going on and its not an exact a science as you think it is.

B0jangles

Motorbikes are fine, motorbikes fitted with big loud exhaust pipes are not.

Feck off with your fartrockets, no-one over the age of ten thinks you're cool. :mad:

the_yes_man

B0jangles wrote: »

Motorbikes are fine, motorbikes fitted with big loud exhaust pipes are not.

Feck off with your fartrockets, no-one with a mental age over ten thinks you're cool. :mad:

fyp

ScumLord

the_yes_man wrote: »

there are many tracks in the last 20 years that drivers should be dead from then as a result of crashes, canada , albert park, monaco, I take your points but you would need to really need to know a lot about f1 and more importantly the cornering speeds of those tracks and their proximity to the walls to realise they are impacting at more than 100km/hr at times despite the speed reduction measures in place at the time
so your almost point blank refusal to accept that 'if its over 100 km/hr IMPACT then you are dead' cant be right. therfore there is more going on and its not an exact a science as you think it is.

I already backed down from that point because obviously going over 100kph isn't a guarantee of a fatality but sudden deceleration over 100kph is very likely to lead to serious brain injuries. The brain just rattles around inside the skull so it doesn't matter what kind of safety devices that car has like airbags because it can't prevent the brain rattling around inside the skull.

Tracks like Monaco have less run off but the layout of the track and types of barriers all help reduce the fallout from any accident. Monaco is also a slow track. Canada has the wall of champions but it's not that bad because if you hit it you won't come to a sudden stop, the car slides along the wall, the deceleration forces aren't that high, but look at the end of long straights, they have run off areas, It's ok to hit a wall in F1 as long as it doesn't bring you to a sudden stop. IE head on collision. Even if the car can protect your body from a sudden stop it can do nothing to protect your brain from rattling around in your skull.

PistolsAtDawn

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

Get a bike, take it for a spin, trust me your opinions on banning them will be drastically changed.

dre_jspeed

lol, ah the internet at its finest in this thread.

No, they aren't endangering themselves or socity. But with you logic shouldn't your ban also include cyclist?

I think the bigger issue when it comes to road safety is people on their mobile phones whilst driving. The amount of driver I see using their phones on my commute into the city centre is crazy.

sonofenoch

Nothing worse than a car driver who thinks he's on a bike, weaving in and out on motorways undertaking on slip roads overtaking in housing estates .......ban imaginary bikes I say

diomed

Cars and trucks do the killing.

Anesthetize

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/fastlikeme/Reaction/gifface21-2.gif

Ragnar Lothbrok

Do any motorcyclists EVER obey speed limits?

I know car drivers break limits too, but not by as much as motorcyclists. The roads will never be totally safe for any of us, but given the choice, I'd much rather be involved in an accident while driving a car than a motorbike. There are plenty of terrible car drivers around, so really the motorcyclist should always drive with even more care and attention than the average car driver, instead of weaving in and out of traffic and breaking speed limits by ridiculous amounts.

toptom

Ban the noisy things, Its the taxpayer who has to pay when things go wrong for motorcyclists.

shane1981

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Do any motorcyclists EVER obey speed limits?

I never had to overtake a motorbike, put it that way.....

kona

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists.

I've had enough of this nonsense.

Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians.

Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents.

The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer.

Ban them and ban them now.

If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society.

Thoughts?

Bollox.

Perhaps we should ban something your into? Like maybe a ban on posting ****e online.

Lumen

We mostly don't ban behaviours which mostly harm only the person doing them.

A notable exception is the requirement for car drivers to wear seatbelts, but only because they're no real inconvenience.

We don't make car drivers wear helmets despite head injuries being very common in car accidents, so there are already reasonable trade-offs between safety and convenience.

Motorcycles take up less road space and so ease congestion relative to single occupant cars.

I disagree that motorcycles are safer than pedal cycles. Apart from the higher speed, having 200kg of pokey metal coming down on your legs and feet will result in serious injuries, whereas falling off a bicycle mostly just results in a light scuffing or a simple collar bone fracture.

4068ac1elhodqr

rjpf1980 wrote: »

There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists. drink driving and texting at the wheel.

Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable.

Why not help by starting a campaign/funding for air bags on bikers, this chap in the video is seeking funding for this sort concept.

Would suit cyclists even more so whom have next to no chance against any vehicle doing any sort of decent speed.