4,500 a week for teenager's flat 'scandalous', says judge.

MilesMorales1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/state-paying-4500-a-week-for-teenagers-flat-scandalous-says-judge-747014.html


4500 a week? Christ. I'm sure that article isn't the whole story but that's just mental to me. How much do these 'centres' cost to keep them in?

ShadyAcres

The landlord of the house is the only one laughing here.

suicide_circus

Who ever in the social services signed off on that amount should appear before the PAC and explain this one.

GLaDOS

A week?? The fúck!

syklops

Saw that earlier. Feels weird to be agreeing with a judge for a change.

Gatling

Welcome to Ireland folks

foggy_lad

ShadyAcres wrote: »

The landlord of the house is the only one laughing here.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Who ever in the social services signed off on that amount should appear before the PAC and explain this one.

That situation and every other where money is paid out for similar accommodation should be audited and all details of who owns the properties made public along with any connections to public representatives or those in the civil service/state employees.


Edit - Just re-read it and it seems this is an apartment in some type of sheltered developement which is locked between 9pm and 7am. it is operated by a private company(anyone know who they are?) who are charging more than airBnB for the place!

Flippyfloppy

F^cking hell somethings not right there!

Fleawuss

A one bedroom flat in Mayfair in London costs 2700£ per calendar month. €3200. There may be a misprint in the article? There may be supervisory staff also present?

whisky_galore

Like L'oreal, it's because they're worth it.

foggy_lad

Fleawuss wrote: »

A one bedroom flat in Mayfair in London costs 2700£ per calendar month. €3200. There may be a misprint in the article? There may be supervisory staff also present?

Apparently no staff present and the youth is free to come and go as he pleases when the doors are unlocked for the day

syklops

Fleawuss wrote: »

A one bedroom flat in Mayfair in London costs 2700£ per calendar month. €3200. There may be a misprint in the article? There may be supervisory staff also present?

The article says no additional services are being provided.

Permabear

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Letree

Any public servant who is that careless with the states money should be demoted to a level where they can't sign off on anything.

CdeC

If they get him a cheaper flat he might start getting abusive again.

"We want to put you in a 3,000 a week flat"

"the f*ck you will" *smash #!#?!!

Summer wind

Sounds like he needs a good kick in the hole.

SEPT 23 1989

If we had a free press in this country they would dig deep into these type of financial arrangements between the state and private companies

lertsnim

Letree wrote: »

Any public servant who is that careless with the states money should be demoted to a level where they can't sign off on anything.

They should be sacked when it is on a scale like this monthly rent. I would love to know if the person who signed off has any connection to the person that owns the apartment.

Skylinehead

Letree wrote: »

Any public servant who is that careless with the states money should be demoted to a level where they can't sign off on anything.

What's wrong with sacking them?

MilesMorales1

How is the centre home thing he was at so expensive then? That seems very high as well, quarter of a million a year per person.

the_syco

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/state-paying-4500-a-week-for-teenagers-flat-scandalous-says-judge-747014.html


4500 a week? Christ. I'm sure that article isn't the whole story but that's just mental to me. How much do these 'centres' cost to keep them in?

I'd be charging that amount as well if the tenant was going to;

“He was assaulting staff, smashing up the place, up on the roof of the unit, into cars

Alf Stewart.

Never mind the price, its the location I'm struggling with.

4,500€ a week rent, "in a town in Louth"


What bloody town in Louth demands 18k a month apartment rentals?

FalconGirl

Media need to dig deeper on this one. I'd love to know who the landlord is or connected to. Could be the tip of the iceberg and there may be more cosy arrangements like this out there.

Absolutely farcical waste of state funds and someone needs to have the book thrown at them.

waraf

The 4500 per week includes the price of 3 fat lads to sit on him 24/7 to stop him wrecking the gaff

dotsman

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Never mind the price, its the location I'm struggling with.

4,500€ a week rent, "in a town in Louth"


What bloody town in Louth demands 18k a month apartment rentals?

You mean 20K a month?

ohnonotgmail

foggy_lad wrote: »

Apparently no staff present and the youth is free to come and go as he pleases when the doors are unlocked for the day

what sort of flat has doors that need to be unlocked at the start of the day? It doesnt sound like a regular flat

Alf Stewart.

dotsman wrote: »

You mean 20K a month?

What s two grand when its the public purse, but I was going on the principle of a four week month.

4 x 4.5 = 18.

MilesMorales1

She said: “He was assaulting staff, smashing up the place, up on the roof of the unit, into cars. The fact that the boy is able to maintain his new residential placement without assaulting or abusive behaviour or without coming to attention of the Gardaí, to me — that is a huge improvement.”

I just don't understand this. Why are we rewarding bad behaviour? Why aren't the Gardai involved?

suicide_circus

FalconGirl wrote: »

Media need to dig deeper on this one. I'd love to know who the landlord is or connected to. Could be the tip of the iceberg and there may be more cosy arrangements like this out there.

Absolutely farcical waste of state funds and someone needs to have the book thrown at them.

Probably a subsidiary or Topaz or Independent News & Media

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I assume the teenager requires round-the-clock supervision. Lets say there are 3 workers in a 24-hour period on an average of €30,000 each. That's about €100,000 when considering salaries & employer PRSI contributions.

The article says that a private psychologist is costing €7,000 p.a. Lets say the boy is getting counselling 5 days per week every week @€;50 per session, that's €13,000. That's a total of €20,000 on counselling and psychological care.

That still "only" comes to €120,000, which leaves €130,000 for accomodation, food and uh, petty spending.

Something is seriously wrong with that figure, and it shouldn't take a judge to point it out.

lertsnim

suicide_circus wrote: »

Probably a subsidiary or Topaz or Independent News & Media

Topaz is under different ownership these days.

dotsman

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

What s two grand when its the public purse, but I was going on the principle of a four week month.

4 x 4.5 = 18.

Ah, but a there are more than 4 weeks in a month. Those extra few days add up. For example, those few days would cost the state a little under €2K, which is more than what most people pay in rent a month.

SEPT 23 1989

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what sort of flat has doors that need to be unlocked at the start of the day? It doesnt sound like a regular flat

Unless it's a Hannibal Lecter style cage in the middle of basketball court size room with armed guards on every exit on every floor there really is no excuse for this amount of money

Galwayguy35

Welcome to Ireland 2016

Work your arse off year in year out and you're entitled to nothing, be a law breaking little bollix and have everything paid for.

And I'll bet the house we will be paying for this guy one way or another for the rest of his days.

steddyeddy

Letree wrote: »

Any public servant who is that careless with the states money should be demoted to a level where they can't sign off on anything.

Quite impossible to fire a useless public servant.

For Forks Sake

steddyeddy wrote: »

Quite impossible to fire a useless public servant.

How about firing them out of a cannon into the nearest body of water?

Tigger

dotsman wrote: »

Ah, but a there are more than 4 weeks in a month. Those extra few days add up. For example, those few days would cost the state a little under €2K, which is more than what most people pay in rent a month.

4.333 weeks in a month 4.333*4.5=19.5k
or 4.5x52/12=19.5k

diomed

I was going to say €4,500 a month is scandalous, but then I saw it is €4,500 a week.
That seems ok. Carry on. Someone in the Department need a promotion and a bonus. Boom times, baby.

Letree

TheDarter wrote: »

4500 per week is nothing, What about those fcking scroungers getting 188 per week for nothing

I don't think you'll last long darter.. go mental now before your banned

BorneTobyWilde

suicide_circus wrote: »

Who ever in the social services signed off on that amount should appear before the PAC and explain this one.

Probably a friend of the Landlord I would imagine. They spilt it .

Ted111

Tigger wrote: »

4.333 weeks in a month 4.333*4.5=19.5k
or 4.5x52/12=19.5k

Is that in a leap year?

Nettle

There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.

foggy_lad

waraf wrote: »

The 4500 per week includes the price of 3 fat lads to sit on him 24/7 to stop him wrecking the gaff

A good Christian Brother could beat all that aggressive energy out of him in an hour or two!

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what sort of flat has doors that need to be unlocked at the start of the day? It doesnt sound like a regular flat

the block has a main door that is locked at night like a hostel or halfway house.

He has only been there a short time but has been late back a few times and had to contact the Gardai to get access each time.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I assume the teenager requires round-the-clock supervision. Lets say there are 3 workers in a 24-hour period on an average of €30,000 each. That's about €100,000 when considering salaries & employer PRSI contributions.

The article says that a private psychologist is costing €7,000 p.a. Lets say the boy is getting counselling 5 days per week every week @€;50 per session, that's €13,000. That's a total of €20,000 on counselling and psychological care.

That still "only" comes to €120,000, which leaves €130,000 for accomodation, food and uh, petty spending.

Something is seriously wrong with that figure, and it shouldn't take a judge to point it out.

That €7,000pa is most likely for a couple of hour long sessions a week which he will be brought to by TAXI and returned by TAXI, There will be no round the clock supervision!

they would be better off throwing the little scrote out on his ear to fend for himself like many other less troublesome kids have to!

Nettle wrote: »

There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.

It is just a block of flats/apartments and the main access door is locked at night. There is most likely cameras on the main entrance and on other exits that are supposed to be monitored 24/7 but won't be.

MilesMorales1

Nettle wrote: »

There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.

If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?

10000maniacs

People are getting more angry and agitated with every news story like this. Heads need to roll on this one.
Things like this just fuel right wing sentiment in this country. Will these morons ever learn.

foggy_lad

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?

It is single self contained apartments, not like a group home. It is so expensive becasuse the property owners decided to build a place to meet a particular need and they have the only place deemed suitable in the area so will be paid more than the property is worth.

foggy_lad

10000maniacs wrote: »

People are getting more angry and agitated with every news story like this. Heads need to roll on this one.
Things like this just fuel right wing sentiment in this country. Will these morons ever learn.

Considering that people with intellectual disabilities were kept in foster homes where they had to live with abusers and even after this was brought to light the situation continued for a few years nothing would ever surprise me from our department of health!

Nettle

foggy_lad wrote: »

It is single self contained apartments, not like a group home. It is so expensive becasuse the property owners decided to build a place to meet a particular need and they have the only place deemed suitable in the area so will be paid more than the property is worth.

The reason that it is so expensive is because it it a private care home provider it has nothing to do with landlords. The article states that whilst the individual is currently not on a structured plan they will be on one from this week. The headline of the article is misleading the young person is placed in a type of care home/sheltered accommodation service. It was the judges comments that referred to it being like a flat being paid for which clearly isnt the case. The state cannot place minor in an apartment by themselves without some sort of adult supervision.

Nettle

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

If its for multiple young people why is it so expensive then?

It is a company that would be my guess so they need to make a profit. I don't know anything about the service itself so I don't know if it is single or multi occupancy.

gctest50

Nettle wrote: »

There is no landlord its a residential service for young people who have behavioural issues. Tje article states the manager spoke during the case so unsure as to why others have suggested the money is going to a landlord.These type of services are located all over the country. Lets just hope the money being spent now prevents further money being spent on the individual in the future.

Nettle wrote: »

.........the individual........

How many more individuals @ €4,500 would there be ?

say 50 ? ..................... €225,000 per week then ?

conorhal

As has been pointed out, it's not a flat, but a room in a residential care facility (are the Examiner hiring ex-Sindo writers?), who he refuses to engage with, the judge is an idiot because 'there is nothing being provided for him ' is clearly not true, he just refuses to engage with the supports being provided for him.

This bollox from his social worker baffles me however:

She said: “He was assaulting staff, smashing up the place, up on the roof of the unit, into cars. The fact that the boy is able to maintain his new residential placement without assaulting or abusive behaviour or without coming to attention of the Gardaí, to me — that is a huge improvement.”

Rather then the namby pamby hugs therapy that seems to be going nowhere it sound like they need to try a bit of 'kick up the hole therapy'.