All-Ireland motorway network.. sound familiar?

bear1

So IBEC and Northern Irelands equivalent have released the below report:

http://www.thejournal.ie/all-ireland-motorway-cost-2894064-Jul2016/

Basically states that by 2050 there will be approx 10 million people on this island and they want 85% of the population to be near a motorway.
Now, I seem to remember the Atlantic corridor idea about 10 years ago..? Which more or less guaranteed a motorway from letterkenny to Rosslare.
And yet cork and limerick is still served by that death trap of a road.
Would it not be more beneficial just completing the Atlantic corridor and using the remaining money to invest in getting more jobs in the north west?
Also, I wonder how much the motorist would be fleeced when it comes to the tolls that will inevitably be placed on them.

Voodoomelon

Who designs and builds our major roads? Are they companies from outside Ireland?

bear1

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Who designs and builds our major roads? Are they companies from outside Ireland?

Not too sure actually, but wasn't the Waterford-Dublin motorway done by a Spanish group?

colm_mcm

IT would go to tender usually. Usually they're public/private partnerships.

CIP4

Bam and sisk do a lot of the motorways in Ireland as well as a lot of the building work. They are both big companies that operate internationally. Bam is a German company that bought out ascon years ago and that's how they got into Ireland. Sisk have headquarters in Ireland with a yearly turnover of over 1 billion euro a year Bam even more. I think some of the bigger motorways they partner up on or take sections.

biko

For everyone outside the pale it would be a blessing I think
Motorway to Galway was finished only a few years ago, ffs..

bear1

Id agree Biko, even the Galway bypass isn't going to plan from what I'm seeing.
A decent dual carriageway from tuam to letterkenny and get business to locate in the north west so that they have good road access to the rest of the island would be a good start.
Then cork to limerick as it's ludicrous that the nations 2nd and 3rd largest cities are connected by a road from the middle ages..

mirrorwall14

There are so many issues with transport in this country but this would go a long way to reducing the need for dominance of Dublin over the rest of the island. Get the motorways in, drop broadband cables as you go. Convenient transport will open up more regions.

Having said that Dublin also needs more public transport even at its current size never mind that it is expanding

mikeecho

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Who designs and builds our major roads? Are they companies from outside Ireland?

Whoever built the new flyovers on the N40, shouldn't build any more roads.

Flooding on an incline, and lots of subsidence

moleyv

The NRA or whatever they call themselves have regional design offices. So they might design, they might tender it out.

As mentioned sisk and BAM are two of the bigger players, and huge projects might be joint projects. Or subcontract bridges out to specialists etc.

The tendering is open to all EU, so you often see foreign companies. Wasn't there an Italian company offered to pay for and build the limerick - cork motorway a couple of years ago. Not sure of the exact details but I'd happily pay a toll for that.

You actually see a lot of NI companies doing the smaller stuff like resurfacing and realignment.

eeguy

Never going to happen.

You may get a Galway Dublin and a Limerick Cork motorway.
Maybe even a Wexford Cork motorway, but the rest of thesw plans has a much chance as the other transport plans that various ministers have trotted out over the last 20 year.

skywanderer

I think someone in IBEC got the job of writing a report, got lazy, logged onto boards and stole my idea from two months ago.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057611075/2?

visual

colm_mcm wrote: »

IT would go to tender usually. Usually they're public/private partnerships.

Tax payers fund it with some mention of EU funded then private company funds a tiny bit a toll is erected and money machine for government and private company reap the benefits for ever more

jacksie66

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bear1

The report doesn't mention this but is the 100e just for people south of the border or does it include the north as well. Curious.
If its us who are expected to fund the norths roads then I cant say id agree with it.

El_Duderino 09

eeguy wrote:

You may get a Galway Dublin and a Limerick Cork motorway. Maybe even a Wexford Cork motorway, but the rest of thesw plans has a much chance as the other transport plans that various ministers have trotted out over the last 20 year.

They can hardly afford to do it all at one time. It makes sense to find out where there needs to be a motorway, draw up all the plans for all those roads and pick the 10% that they can actually built right now. Sounds reasonable enough

ofcork

Wasnt it a turkish company gama who built the ballincollig bypass.

hi5

Isn't there a plan for a motorway from Drogheda to Kilcullen, circling Dublin, I don't see it on that map.

Wheres the joined up thinking when you need it?

http://www.irishmotorwayinfo.com/inex/roads/m45/m45.html

savagethegoat

Work on the M20 must be imminent now that CCC/NRA have spent millions rebuilding the 2+1 section south of Mallow

Arcade_Tryer

mikeecho wrote: »

Whoever built the new flyovers on the N40, shouldn't build any more roads.

Flooding on an incline, and lots of subsidence

A flyover of Roscommon would be nice.

bear1

savagethegoat wrote: »

Work on the M20 must be imminent now that CCC/NRA have spent millions rebuilding the 2+1 section south of Mallow

Id be surprised if they gave the go ahead to that motorway before the end of the decade.
Should have been built years ago.

savagethegoat

bear1 wrote: »

Id be surprised if they gave the go ahead to that motorway before the end of the decade.
Should have been built years ago.

I won't get to drive it before my driving years run out, North Cork really got screwed , what a waste building the M7 and M8 when the M7 and M20 would have done the same job cheaper.

marno21

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Who designs and builds our major roads? Are they companies from outside Ireland?

It's put to tender and usually a consortium bids for it and gets it. For example, the M17/M18 Gort-Tuam is being built by DirectRoute, which is comprised of the companies listed here: http://directroutegorttotuam.ie/aboutus.aspx

bear1 wrote: »

Id agree Biko, even the Galway bypass isn't going to plan from what I'm seeing.
A decent dual carriageway from tuam to letterkenny and get business to locate in the north west so that they have good road access to the rest of the island would be a good start.
Then cork to limerick as it's ludicrous that the nations 2nd and 3rd largest cities are connected by a road from the middle ages..

N6 Galway City Transport Project is going to the compulsory purchase order stage next (www.n6galwaycity.ie), it's not called the bypass anymore due to the unwanted attention it attracted.

The N17 after the M17 is built is to be built in pieces: Tuam-Claremorris, Knock-Tobercurry, Tobercurry Bypass & Tobercurry-Collooney. It will be built as a basic dual carraigeway, 2 lanes in each direction seperated by a central barrier, no hard shoulders. The Claremorris/Knock bypass may be retrofitted as well.

The M20 is likely to be split into sections after the feasability study is completed on the Mallow Relief Road scheme this year. If it had been split into sections 5 years ago parts of it may be done by now.

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

There are so many issues with transport in this country but this would go a long way to reducing the need for dominance of Dublin over the rest of the island. Get the motorways in, drop broadband cables as you go. Convenient transport will open up more regions.

Having said that Dublin also needs more public transport even at its current size never mind that it is expanding

Dublin needs Metro North & DART Underground along with expansion of the DART electrification pronto. But instead it's better to build a motorway around Enniscorthy so people from Wexford can drive to Dublin faster and create even more congestion.

mikeecho wrote: »

Whoever built the new flyovers on the N40, shouldn't build any more roads.

Flooding on an incline, and lots of subsidence

That was SIAC construction. They went into receivership before the project was finished, but I think they're floating again.

savagethegoat wrote: »

Work on the M20 must be imminent now that CCC/NRA have spent millions rebuilding the 2+1 section south of Mallow

The 2+1 section rebuild is nothing more than window dressing. It was unnecessary and a colossal waste of money. Especially considering the existing road south of the Burnfort turnoff will be used as part of the actual M20 motorway. Everything south of the Burnfort turnoff to Cork will use the existing road with a parallel single carraigeway built to service properties & accesses along the route.

bear1 wrote: »

Id be surprised if they gave the go ahead to that motorway before the end of the decade.
Should have been built years ago.

The M20 will be built as soon as Fianna Fail get into power, in my opinion. With a Corkman in charge, it will be a big vote getter in the area, it's importance is completely underestimated by the current group of geniuses. It's the key to the future of the economy of North Cork, and the current shower have no intention whatsoever of building it. They won't even build the ready to go Macroom bypass, ready to go Dunkettle interchange, or build the road with the highest return on investment in the whole country, the M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway (which is partially funded by Europe).

savagethegoat

"The 2+1 section rebuild is nothing more than window dressing. It was unnecessary and a colossal waste of money. Especially considering the existing road south of the Burnfort turnoff will be used as part of the actual M20 motorway. Everything south of the Burnfort turnoff to Cork will use the existing road with a parallel single carraigeway built to service properties & accesses along the route".


I think you are incorrect there. From memory, the Motorway was intended to use the existing route to just short of Rathduff (in the vicinity of the Railway bridge) and will then use a new alignment via the vicinity of Oliver's Cross East of Mallow.

I agree it's a huge waste of money rebuilding the discredited 2+1 section. However the latest proposal talks of an uprated N20, so you might be close to the eventual truth, minus the parallel road which would be unnecessary if it was not a motorway

bear1

The issue with the Galway "bypass" is the flyover everyone is pissing themselves over.
I read that only recently the Councillors realised the issue of the M6 roundabout before Ballybrit.
Can you imagine the nightmare it will be at that roundabout coming from the M6 is there wouldn't a flyover??
I hope you're right though

Markcheese

Do we really need a motorway from cork to limerick , yes from mallow on theres a serious need for bypasses and upgrades but a motorway..?
Its one of those things where if they built the n20 then kiss goodbye to macroom bypass, the dunkettle upgrade,and ringaskiddy road...

savagethegoat

Markcheese wrote: »

Do we really need a motorway from cork to limerick , yes from mallow on theres a serious need for bypasses and upgrades but a motorway..?
Its one of those things where if they built the n20 then kiss goodbye to macroom bypass, the dunkettle upgrade,and ringaskiddy road...

yes we do, the current road is unsafe in places and isn't suitable to be widened so a new alignment is needed north of Rathduff.

Why would you think a motorway from the 2nd to the 3rd City is less important than the road to Ringaskiddy?

bear1

Markcheese wrote: »

Do we really need a motorway from cork to limerick , yes from mallow on theres a serious need for bypasses and upgrades but a motorway..?
Its one of those things where if they built the n20 then kiss goodbye to macroom bypass, the dunkettle upgrade,and ringaskiddy road...

If they can build a motorway from Limerick to Galway or Waterford to Kilkenny then why not Cork to Limerick?
The road is a death trap and it should be built.
Build the bypasses anyway.
Before the Galway to Dublin motorway was opened the built the Loughrea bypass which is still useful today even with the motorway 10km away so I don't see that as a valid point.

moleyv

Markcheese wrote:

Do we really need a motorway from cork to limerick , yes from mallow on theres a serious need for bypasses and upgrades but a motorway..? Its one of those things where if they built the n20 then kiss goodbye to macroom bypass, the dunkettle upgrade,and ringaskiddy road...

I take it you don't use the road. There needs to be teleportation from charleville past buttevant.

A 1 hour 20 min journey for me can easily have an hour added due to traffic.

savagethegoat

Buttevant has been a huge pothole for well over a year now... Mallow and Charleville are big bottlenecks too.

Just one life saved by building the M20 would make it worthwhile

zilog_jones

Weren't the CPOs already done for the M20? They should start work on the bypasses for small towns at the very least.

Another issue is a lack of a proper North Ring Road in Cork - did anything happen there? I remember seeing plans.