Effects of Drinking Alcohol on people who already have a temper

Andy From Sligo

OK - People who drink alcohol extensively and cause a fight or bottles someone or just get Leary or aggressive - are they already an aggressive person or a person with a short temper to start off with and the alcohol just accelerates it even further, or is it the drink that lowers barriers and inhibitions and is so mood changing that it can change a placid person to a raving loony monster?

Here is the way I look at it, but i am not an expert. That people who are very laid back and dont have a temper just drink or get drunk and pass out , or act all silly and laugh and fall over things and puke up everywhere - whereas people who get drunk and want to fight someone or starts kicking stuff or get into a rage , they already (before drinking) are volatile people to start off with and that the drinking just accelerates their mood/temper.

What do you reckon? - any truth in what I say or do you not agree?

Joeseph Balls

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

OK - People who drink alcohol extensively and cause a fight or bottles someone or just get Leary or aggressive - are they already an aggressive person or a person with a short temper to start off with and the alcohol just accelerates it even further, or is it the drink that lowers barriers and inhibitions and is so mood changing that it can change a placid person to a raving loony monster?

Here is the way I look at it, but i am not an expert. That people who are very laid back and dont have a temper just drink or get drunk and pass out , or act all silly and laugh and fall over things and puke up everywhere - whereas people who get drunk and want to fight someone or starts kicking stuff or get into a rage , they already (before drinking) are volatile people to start off with and that the drinking just accelerates their mood/temper.

What do you reckon? - any truth in what I say or do you not agree?

Don't agree. I myself have short temper, but when I drink I am the total opposite. That's just one case I suppose.

Esel

STFU, ya moany cnut!

Fr_Dougal

I think a lot of it depends on the actual alcohol involved, know some people who go nuts on beer but are fine on spirits; and vice versa.

KERSPLAT!

I think it's different for everyone. Sure you'll get the **** who are just out for a row but I've seen normally even-tempered people become aggressive too with alcohol consumed.

ED E

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

What do you reckon?

You've way too much time on your hands.

Joeseph Balls

Esel wrote: »

STFU, ya moany cnut!

Wanna fight?

KERSPLAT!

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think a lot of it depends on the actual alcohol involved, know some people who go nuts on beer but are fine on spirits; and vice versa.

I hear this quite a bit too. Vodka = aggression, etc. I'mIthe same whatever the drink is, locked and sleepy

tomofson

Alcohol in excess can bring out the worse in a lot of people, I know I have seen it first hand... Some people just turn Pure evil on the stuff.

Andy From Sligo

so, if someone had a shocking temper and they decided to go for anger management professional help do they teach you how to handle your anger when drink taken?

Oscar Bravo

the BBC....I MADEEEEE THE BBC!!!!!!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I don't think it's that simple.
I would have a quick temper, though I'm not aggressive.
I'd be easily angered, easily riled.

That said, for the past 13 years I've drank a lot, a LOT, and I've never once been in a fight. I was in one confrontation, where two polish women jumped on me one night because they didn't believe me when I said I didn't smoke. One pushed me and I pushed her back, and it was a verbal fight then. If she had hit me I'd have taken off my shoe and hit her back, but thankfully it didn't come to that.

I think people who get in fights enjoy fights.

corner of hells

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I don't think it's that simple.
I would have a quick temper, though I'm not aggressive.
I'd be easily angered, easily riled.

That said, for the past 13 years I've drank a lot, a LOT, and I've never once been in a fight. I was in one confrontation, where two polish women jumped on me one night because they didn't believe me when I said I didn't smoke. One pushed me and I pushed her back, and it was a verbal fight then. If she had hit me I'd have taken off my shoe and hit her back, but thankfully it didn't come to that.

I think people who get in fights enjoy fights.

Wasn't that a film on pornhub ?

Esel

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Wanna fight?

I was talking to Andy, but you'll do!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

corner of hells wrote: »

Wasn't that a film on pornhub ?

I doubt it, more like the scary movie channel, the hack of the pair of them. I was beautiful though, natch.

TSMGUY

An already unpleasant person becomes even more..... unpleasant. I think alcohol definitely exacerbates people's negative traits.

I suppose it accounts for why bouncers are such stony faced twats half the time.

jackofalltrades

I think the saying "in vino veritas" mostly sums it up.

If you're an assshole drink is going to make you worse.
If you're a repressed asshole drink is going to show your true colours.
Can't stand people who act the dick when drunk and then blame it on the booze.
That said I understand that people can have off days or affected differently be different drinks.

Aglomerado

I tend to be cranky a lot of the time, but beer makes me merry and then sleepy. If I'm anxious and then get pissed I can be argumentative, but that's the exception rather than the rule. I have a friend who is anxious most of the time and when he takes drink (Heineken) he turns abusive.... His wife gets the brunt of it usually horrible stuff like 'you fat loser, useless c*nt" etc. He turned on me the last time we were all out together at a Pixies gig and I haven't spoken to him since. He'll be all contrite for a few days before it all starts again. This has been happening regularly for the last few years and I have got to the point where I have declined friends' weekends away where he is involved... It just ruins everyone's night.

The_Valeyard

Really depends on the person & drink.

A guy could have a few pints toddle off home to bed and be fine. Same guy could have a whiskey and turn into Stalin. Same lad could have gin, and be grand, while another be in a state of depression. He could enjoy a jager bomb while missus could be bouncing off the walls on it.

Every person has their Kryponite when it comes to booze, just need to know what it is and stay away from it.

D3V!L

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Really depends on the person & drink.

A guy could have a few pints toddle off home to bed and be fine. Same guy could have a whisked and turn into Stalin. Same lad could have gin, and be grand, while another be in a state of depression. He could enjoy a jager bomb while missus could be bouncing off the walls on it.

Every person has their Kryponite when it comes to booze, just need to know what it is and stay away from it.

I've found that myself. Different drinks have completely different effects on my mood. Guinness just mellows me out and I can relax whereas Whiskey makes me upset (not in the angry way).

biko

I'm a happy guy usually and even more so when drinking.
But I've been aggressive a few times.

Sometimes when you start drinking you're not in a good place, and drink amplifies that.

aaronjumper

I think booze tends to amplify what you're already feeling.
Anger becomes rage, sadness despair etc etc.

If I'm in a bad place I won't drink, unless I'm by myself.

ScumLord

For some people alcohol acts like a switch in their head and they just turn into outright *****.

I think Irish society uses drink as an excuse to act the **** when we want to be. We don't really come down to hard on people that act the **** on a night out, we just seem to bank that cuntishness for another night when we can have our turn being a ****. Drink is purely an excuse to some people. They have a bad day and go to the pub in the knowledge they'll get drunk and take out their mood on someone else.

I don't really understand it, I've never really had enough of any drug that I lose the run of myself, and I've tried to get to that place of no awareness.

OldNotWIse

Depends on the person. I don't have a temper but I would be "crotchety" by nature, and after a few drinks you'll find me at my most mellow and pleasant. The OH is operating at a general level a notch or two south of reasonable, and when she has drink she makes the terrible twos look like a breeze! I've heard it said before that alcohol tends to send you further along the road you're already on, so if you're feeling blue it will depress you, if you're buzzing it will add to that.

OldNotWIse

aaronjumper wrote: »

I think booze tends to amplify what you're already feeling.
Anger becomes rage, sadness despair etc etc.

If I'm in a bad place I won't drink, unless I'm by myself.

That's worse

Story Bud?

aaronjumper wrote: »

I think booze tends to amplify what you're already feeling.
Anger becomes rage, sadness despair etc etc.

I'm the opposite.

If I'm in a bad mood, I'll be absolutely grand after a couple of drinks.

Thankfully my personality never changes (and I'm not in the slightest bit aggressive), just that my mood lightens.

Squall Leonhart

There has been a few moments of unreasonable aggression and anger when I've had too much to drink that i'm not proud of over the last few years, maybe twice in the last 3 years. I can be a bit of a grump in my sober state, but generally avoid conflict in day to day life. I think sometimes people can just have a bad moment when drinking and that these aren't always indicative of a larger problem in the person.

aaronjumper

OldNotWIse wrote: »

That's worse

Only if you choose to see it that way.
Better that I don't put a downer on another persons day because I'm having a bad one.

Story Bud? wrote: »

I'm the opposite.

If I'm in a bad mood, I'll be absolutely grand after a couple of drinks.

Thankfully my personality never changes (and I'm not in the slightest bit aggressive), just that my mood lightens.

A great way to be altogether.

OldNotWIse

aaronjumper wrote: »

Only if you choose to see it that way.
Better that I don't put a downer on another persons day because I'm having a bad one.

A great way to be altogether.

No I wasn't judging you, I just meant from a mental health perspective, its not good to be drinking alone if you feel down Then again, I'm guilty of it myself at times..

aaronjumper

OldNotWIse wrote: »

No I wasn't judging you, I just meant from a mental health perspective, its not good to be drinking alone if you feel down Then again, I'm guilty of it myself at times..

Oh I know I wasn't taking offence I just don't see it that way.
It works for me, I'm not saying I lock myself away on a regular basis.

Just now and again. Whatever works sure.

metaoblivia

Can't speak for myself because I've never been drunk, but I grew up with a physically abusive, alcoholic parent and alcohol definitely increased their aggressiveness. They were capable of abuse drunk or sober, but when they got really drunk, they would come home late at night and wake my sibling and I up for the sole purpose of starting a fight. That never happened when they were sober. So I think if you're already inclined to get physically violent, enough alcohol will amplify that.

Andy From Sligo

metaoblivia wrote: »

.....but when they got really drunk, they would come home late at night and wake my sibling and I up for the sole purpose of starting a fight. ....

god thats really sad

Andy From Sligo

Aglomerado wrote: »

.....most of the time and when he takes drink (Heineken) he turns abusive.... His wife gets the brunt of it usually horrible stuff like 'you fat loser, useless c*nt" etc......

ah no now thats not on at all - anyone else on here feel thats acceptable at all! he should get called for that and nipped in the bud , i'm amazed no-one else on here hasnt commented about that . Drink or no drink its a form of abuse that has to be stamped out in society - i suppose he is all "Im sorry, i wont do it again" about it when he sobers up? ... I dunno, maybe not.

Aglomerado

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah no now thats not on at all - anyone else on here feel thats acceptable at all! he should get called for that and nipped in the bud , i'm amazed no-one else on here hasnt commented about that . Drink or no drink its a form of abuse that has to be stamped out in society - i suppose he is all "Im sorry, i wont do it again" about it when he sobers up? ... I dunno, maybe not.

Got it in one... all apologies till the next time.
It's like Jekyll and Hyde. I've come to the end of my rope because I've been on the receiving end a few times myself and he is now persona non grata as far as I'm concerned until I see evidence of attending a medical professional!

His wife is a very good friend and I'm happy to socialise with her as long as he's not around.

hairyslug

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think a lot of it depends on the actual alcohol involved, know some people who go nuts on beer but are fine on spirits; and vice versa.

I think this is it,

I was fine drinking beer/stout,
Whiskey, Im emotional
Rum and juice, Im everyones best friend
Vodka and lucozade, Im an insufferable angry bollox

Squall Leonhart

hairyslug wrote: »

I think this is it,

I was fine drinking beer/stout,
Whiskey, Im emotional
Rum and juice, Im everyones best friend
Vodka and lucozade, Im an insufferable angry bollox

It's the lucozade

dodderangler

I've a real short temper an I was really bad when I drank bulmers. Made me extremely aggro. So I switched to bud and tuborg. Bad side is that i used to only have about 6 pints of bulmers. Now with bud it's about 10 and I drink it too fast. But I'm not aggro on it so it's kids stalemate.

hairyslug

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

It's the lucozade

and the dodgy kebab I had earlier

TSMGUY

dodderangler wrote: »

I've a real short temper an I was really bad when I drank bulmers. Made me extremely aggro. So I switched to bud and tuborg. Bad side is that i used to only have about 6 pints of bulmers. Now with bud it's about 10 and I drink it too fast. But I'm not aggro on it so it's kids stalemate.

Bulmers makes me really angry too..... because it tastes ****e!

seamus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think a lot of it depends on the actual alcohol involved, know some people who go nuts on beer but are fine on spirits; and vice versa.

This notion of different beers having a different effect is all nonsense IMHO. It's all alcohol, and by and large doesn't contain anything else that will have as profound an effect on your state of mind. Unless you're mixing with high-caffeine energy drinks or something.

I would say the biggest difference comes from the way it's drank and the state of mind someone is in when they start drinking.
e.g. Vodka = I'm drinking to get drunk because I've had a ****ty day and I'm drinking way too fast.
Bulmers = it's a nice sunny day and it seems like I should be drinking Bulmers, but fncking hell this beer garden is packed and those college students are way too drunk and annoying and I'm not enjoying myself so all I can do is drink this pint as quickly as possible.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I think people who get in fights enjoy fights.

I tend to agree with this. A family friend was a notorious brawler in his teens and twenties. Begbie-style, quite guaranteed that he'd end up pinning some guy on the floor and laying into him by the end of the night.
He also has "a look" about him that other brawlers would just walk up to him out of the blue and suggest they go outside and kick lumps out of eachother.

But he had something of an epiphany and worked on his issues. He still drinks as much and gets sloppy drunk but in the 12 years I've been drinking with the guy (my brothers have been drinking with him for 25+ years), I've never seen him once even lose the rag at someone. And I've seen people walk up and ask him for a scrap and he turns them down.

So like you say, it's really not that simple. If alcohol "made" people angry, then this guy wouldn't be the happy, sleepy drunk he is today.

I would say practically everyone who gets in regular scraps while drunk has underlying anger and emotional issues they need to deal with.

One-off disagreements can likely be chalked down to having a really bad day or being really upset or whatever.

OldNotWIse wrote: »

That's worse

You know, I'm not sure it is. I don't necessarily buy into the traditional "ten signs you're an alcoholic" checklist. There's nothing inherently wrong with drinking on your own. Or drinking to get drunk.
In fact, it's become a lovely guilty pleasure for me now when my wife is out for the night and the child tucked up in bed to sit down with a couple of beers and a movie that my wife will never watch. Cathartic.

dodderangler

TSMGUY wrote: »

Bulmers makes me really angry too..... because it tastes ****e!

Ah it was alri. I wouldn't get it from tap. It rotten. But from a large cold bottle it was nice.

ScumLord

I've avoided cider for years, I went through one summer of drinking Bulmers because friends drank it but I got turned right off it towards the end.

Tried some Irish craft cider last weekend and it's a completely different ball game. They're ****ing unreal. I'm a convert.

seamus wrote: »

So like you say, it's really not that simple. If alcohol "made" people angry, then this guy wouldn't be the happy, sleepy drunk he is today.

Maybe he just turned 30. That ruined my ability to drink and get drunk. Now if I have more than 4 pints I just feel full and don't want any more.

Sam Kade

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

OK - People who drink alcohol extensively and cause a fight or bottles someone or just get Leary or aggressive - are they already an aggressive person or a person with a short temper to start off with and the alcohol just accelerates it even further, or is it the drink that lowers barriers and inhibitions and is so mood changing that it can change a placid person to a raving loony monster?

Here is the way I look at it, but i am not an expert. That people who are very laid back and dont have a temper just drink or get drunk and pass out , or act all silly and laugh and fall over things and puke up everywhere - whereas people who get drunk and want to fight someone or starts kicking stuff or get into a rage , they already (before drinking) are volatile people to start off with and that the drinking just accelerates their mood/temper.

What do you reckon? - any truth in what I say or do you not agree?

I reckon you don't know what extensively means

seamus

ScumLord wrote: »

Maybe he just turned 30. That ruined my ability to drink and get drunk. Now if I have more than 4 pints I just feel full and don't want any more.

Nah, it happened well before he turned 30 and believe me he drinks way more than 4 pints

In his case, he was a pretty angry in his early teens and then picked up a psycho girlfriend who not only wrecked his head, but also got a thrill out of winding him up and seeing him beat lumps out of other guys. So he was just a seething ball of stress quite a lot of the time.

In his mid-twenties he called off their engagement and dumped her and within a few months he was a new man.

califano

Would you have a better chance of defending against a drunk guy who came swinging at you in a furious temper than the same guy sober?. Sometimes you read these stories ''it too 7 bouncers or 9 Gardai to subdue the heavily intoxicated man''. Id be thinking what chance would 1 have had especially if that 1 person was me.
I think its agreed alcohol wouldnt improve performance in a sporting field even darts or football these days it seems otherwise they would all be at it to give them an edge. But these drunk guys needing an army to keep them subdued and apprehended, whats that all about?.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I do believe there are people who, as they say "drink doesn't suit them". I know one guy who had quit drinking by the time he was maybe 21 or 22.

The other thing is, if you're drinking heavily and consistently, it's not just when you're drinking that your mood is altered or amplified, it's all the time. You'll be an irritable, unmotivated, impatient person constantly (I'm talking when people who drink every day or near enough, and to excess). So yeah you'll be an arsehole even when you're not drunk, but it can still to an extent be the influence of alcohol.

This notion that drunk people always tell the truth or the shíte they come out with is something that really reflects how they feel sober is nonsense though. People's inhibitions aren't necessarily about raw honesty, people's inhibitions can be about being horrible and hurtful, or looking for attention, or stirring shít. And they'll say what they need to to do that, which may well be a complete lie

Aglomerado

Dexter Inexpensive Vinyl wrote: »

This notion that drunk people always tell the truth or the shíte they come out with is something that really reflects how they feel sober is nonsense though. People's inhibitions aren't necessarily about raw honesty, people's inhibitions can be about being horrible and hurtful, or looking for attention, or stirring shít. And they'll say what they need to to do that, which may well be a complete lie

This is very true in the case of my friend - sober he's a sensitive, caring type (works in care industry!), very PC, and liberal. He was supportive to me last year after I'd been in a car crash. I've helped him with jobs, written character references for him! (sober ones)

Drunk, he just knows what buttons to push to upset others. There are some friends who he won't try it with (Army guys who'd insert bayonets up his sensitive area) but with those he's closest to, his wife, me, there's no holding back.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Aglomerado wrote: »

Drunk, he just knows what buttons to push to upset others. There are some friends who he won't try it with (Army guys who'd insert bayonets up his sensitive area) but with those he's closest to, his wife, me, there's no holding back.

I was very like that. If a certain switch flipped when I was drunk enough, it's like I didn't see people anymore, just their insecurities and the exact right thing to say to hurt them. There were one or two people I couldn't crack and I hurled reams of abuse at them hoping something would stick.

Been years since it's happened though. I wasn't a very happy person back then, and I also just don't let myself get that drunk, or drink with people when I'm in the form where that could happen. It's horrible to wake up from, if it was ever a regular occurrence I think I would have just quit drinking

Andy From Sligo

Aglomerado wrote: »

Drunk, he just knows what buttons to push to upset others. There are some friends who he won't try it with (Army guys who'd insert bayonets up his sensitive area) but with those he's closest to, his wife, me, there's no holding back.

you'd wonder if he can 'switch it on and off' like that with others why cant he do that with people he is closest to?

FizzleSticks

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Aglomerado

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

you'd wonder if he can 'switch it on and off' like that with others why cant he do that with people he is closest to?

He's had a go at his wife and at me while we were in the company of several other friends on a weekend away last summer. Horrible experience, everyone heard.

(and saw me deliver a good hard kick up the arse to him... )