Carb intake advice

SOrme

Need some advice on carbs intake and how much to consume. I weight about 135 lbs. 5'8 and have a sedentary job, work 40 hours a week. I train muay thai at least 3-4 evenings a week after work and cycle on days I don't train which is roughly 6 miles to and from work. Also every 2nd morning I get up and do sets of pullups, pushups, situps and planks so try to be as active as possible during the week. I want to know how many carbs should I be consuming (on average) I try to stick with 20-30g protein every 2-3 hours. Not aiming to bulk out or gain mass cos I think with muay thai the leaner I am the better. Any fitness/nutrition gurus out there that can lend some knowledge that would be great. Thanks

Alf Veedersane

Some useful blog posts from Danny Lennon (Sigmanutrition.com)

Post 1


Post 2 is about linear dieting vs macro cycling, where he gives guides on what is low-carb, moderate-carb and high-carb intakes (1.6g/kg BW, 2.6g/kg BW and 4.6+ g/kg BW).

So if you're pretty active you could look at 2.6g/kg BW every day if you just want to keep it linear. If you find it's not enough, in which case up it a little.

But there's exact number that someone can tell you will definitively be the optimal intake for you.

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

It's the meat, dairy, alcohol and sugar that make people fat when inactive.

It's not those foods.

It's consuming too many calories that makes people fat, active or inactive.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I'm 143 pounds and 5ft 10. I'm a vegan so I eat as much unrefined carbs as I like. Even if you were not exercising at all our brains still need carbs, they feed on the glucose from potatoes and rice etc. It's the meat, dairy, alcohol and sugar that make people fat when inactive. I would say reduce those things and increase your carbs if you're looking to do more exercise. Carbs=energy. Best of luck.

I doubt you'd see many fat Aye-ayes, they purposely go for food with alcohol in the wild

( one of the few animals with Alcohol Dehydrogenase - so can happily hose down a fair whack of it )

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

And what do people consume too much of? Cos I know it's not fruit and veg!

Consuming too much sugar, dairy and meat will make a person very fat indeed

Still comes down to calories.

Obviously food quality is important but there are plenty of people who eat meat and dairy and aren't fat. Because they don't consume too many calories.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

meat and dairy are very high in saturated fat. There is no saturated fat in fruit, carbs and veg.

Gunner Guy wrote: »

carbs.

Absorbing too much from any source will make you fat

Captain Chaos

Gunner Guy wrote: »

meat and dairy are very high in saturated fat

Not at all. If you know how to cook and eat lean cuts of meat you have next to no fat and dairy has good fats that you need. Eating alot of fruit all the time is not good because off all the natural sugar content, some of it is quite high.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I'm 143 pounds and 5ft 10. I'm a vegan so..........

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Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I know that dude I used to be one of them. You're basically saying the same thing as me except in a different way. Obviously eating too much dairy, meat and sugar is consuming too many calories. What am I missing here?

You lumped meat and dairy in with sugar and alcohol and said they were the reason people are fat.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

.... But vegans eat a **** load of carbs and it doesn't make us fat.

Yer not "absorbing" it then



Taking in "too much" of carbs, not gaining weight = beta cells failing( IDDM ) , HIV, cancer, dementia, parasite infection, bowel disease, over active thyroid, cytomegalovirus or any number of other things


- go see a doctor


.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I have a chronic illness since before I went on a vegan diet thanks.

Bit pointless telling "normal" people to follow what works for you then ?

Gunner Guy

Except I didn't tell you I was vegan I said it to the original poster......

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You lumped meat and dairy in with sugar and alcohol and said they were the reason people are fat.

I said consuming TOO MUCH of them was the reason. Don't worry I'm not hating on dairy and meat eaters here.....

Gunner Guy

gctest50 wrote: »

Does this sickness somehow affect your ability to absorb/process/whatever food ?

You're a dick. Go **** your self

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

What a ****ty thing to say to someone who is sick.

Does this sickness somehow affect your ability to absorb/process/whatever food ?


It seems it does :

Gunner Guy wrote: »

By the way I got sick on a typical Irish diet and I'm getting better on a vegan diet. Go figure!

Go see a doctor.............you shouldn't self-medicate , you may be masking symptoms


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Gunner Guy

gctest50 wrote: »

Does this sickness somehow affect your ability to absorb/process/whatever food ?


It seems it does :



Go see a doctor.............you shouldn't self-medicate , you may be masking symptoms


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Who said anything about self medicating? I know exactly what I have. It's obvious that you are hating on me cos I mentioned I'm a vegan. If you disagree with me no prob. But do me a favour and just go **** off cos you're annoying me.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

..But do me a favour and just go **** off cos you're annoying me.

No

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I have a chronic illness since before I went on a vegan diet thanks.

I've a chronic illness like many many more , affects ability to absorb/process/whatever food


Since i'm "faulty" , it'd be daft to go around trying to persuade people to eat what i eat

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

And as well as being a **** you're a hypocrite. I have a chronic illness but I'm not allowed to give advice to "normal" people and tell them what is making me healthier but you are. Goodnight ****.

I don't own the internets, you can do whatever you want

Gunner Guy wrote: »

And as well as being a **** you're a hypocrite. I have a chronic illness but I'm not allowed to give advice to "normal" people and tell them what is making me healthier but you are. Goodnight ****.

I said since i'm "faulty" it'd be daft to go around trying to persuade people to eat what i eat

see here :

gctest50 wrote: »

I've a chronic illness like many many more , affects ability to absorb/process/whatever food


Since i'm "faulty" , it'd be daft to go around trying to persuade people to eat what i eat

marialouise

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I'm 143 pounds and 5ft 10. I'm a vegan so I eat as much unrefined carbs as I like. Even if you were not exercising at all our brains still need carbs, they feed on the glucose from potatoes and rice etc. It's the meat, dairy, alcohol and sugar that make people fat when inactive. I would say reduce those things and increase your carbs if you're looking to do more exercise. Carbs=energy. Best of luck.

I ate 300g of meat/fish, 2 eggs, 350g of dairy products plus protein powders today and still finished my day in a calorie deficit. No such thing as a food which makes people fat, it's how much food the person consumes.

Also on a side note, I only ate about 60g carbs, my brain has functioned fine and I also ran 5km today. Fats also = energy. If I ate as many unrefined carbs as I liked I would be in a very different condition altogether.

OP is looking for a fitness/nutrition expert, not someone to come on the thread and tell us the foods some of us choose to consume are 'full of pus'.

OP: the first reply has a really helpful answer. Find out what works for you also! Also look into carb cycling if it might be for you if you're not looking to put on mass, just keep it before and after workouts/cycles and have a lower carb lunch etc? Some macro calculators would suggest 0.8-1.2g protein/lb bodymass, 0.3g fat, and the rest from carbs (I am not even sure the numbers there are right so please look them up yourself!), but that's a handy way of getting a ballpark figure. Anyway that's my two cents but I think the first post has helpful advice and then the thread goes off the rails a bit, good luck sifting through it all!

jigglypuffstuff

SOrme wrote: »

Need some advice on carbs intake and how much to consume. I weight about 135 lbs. 5'8 and have a sedentary job, work 40 hours a week. I train muay thai at least 3-4 evenings a week after work and cycle on days I don't train which is roughly 6 miles to and from work. Also every 2nd morning I get up and do sets of pullups, pushups, situps and planks so try to be as active as possible during the week. I want to know how many carbs should I be consuming (on average) I try to stick with 20-30g protein every 2-3 hours. Not aiming to bulk out or gain mass cos I think with muay thai the leaner I am the better. Any fitness/nutrition gurus out there that can lend some knowledge that would be great. Thanks

OP try doing a 40c/30p/30f ratio of Macro split

You seem reasonably active....such a split will allow you to be flexible in your food choices and above all else ignore the waffle posted in this thread (with the exception of what Alf said)

For a caloric balance here



135lbs (multiplying by 15) = 2020 calories (you can use 16 as a multiplier if you find yourself losing weight, or 14 if you find yourself gaining...15 is the best starting point though)

So now we have calorie levels

2020 / 100 x 40 = 808 calories for carbs (dividing by 4 to get value in grams) = 202g carbohydrate

2020/100 x 30 =606 calories for protien ( dividing by 4 to get value in grams) = 151.5 (round up to 152) So 152g protien

2020/100 x 30 =606 calories for fat ( dividing by 9 to get value in grams) = 67.3 (round down to 67) So 67g fat

In conclusion

202g carbohydrate
152g protien
67g fat

You could play around with Macro ratios but few would argue that one of the most optimal ones in terms of adequate nutrient intake, flexibility with food choice and energy levels

Again, ignore the crap posted in this thread (Alfs advice was solid though)

Best of luck

(Edit i made a mistake, the calorie levels should be 2025....just have an extra tick tac)

Gunner Guy

marialouise wrote: »

I ate 300g of meat/fish, 2 eggs, 350g of dairy products plus protein powders today and still finished my day in a calorie deficit. No such thing as a food which makes people fat, it's how much food the person consumes.

Also on a side note, I only ate about 60g carbs, my brain has functioned fine and I also ran 5km today. Fats also = energy. If I ate as many unrefined carbs as I liked I would be in a very different condition altogether.

OP is looking for a fitness/nutrition expert, not someone to come on the thread and tell us the foods some of us choose to consume are 'full of pus'.

OP: the first reply has a really helpful answer. Find out what works for you also! Also look into carb cycling if it might be for you if you're not looking to put on mass, just keep it before and after workouts/cycles and have a lower carb lunch etc? Some macro calculators would suggest 0.8-1.2g protein/lb bodymass, 0.3g fat, and the rest from carbs (I am not even sure the numbers there are right so please look them up yourself!), but that's a handy way of getting a ballpark figure. Anyway that's my two cents but I think the first post has helpful advice and then the thread goes off the rails a bit, good luck sifting through it all!

All of that cholesterol you ate isn't very good for your heart.
Fair enough I shouldn't have mentioned the pus thing but it's still true. All of the white heads on people's faces are directly from the pus of milk. Our bodies simply don't know what to do with dairy which is why so many people are lactose intolerant. It causes acne, other chronic skin conditions as well as bloating etc. We don't need it. But yeah you're right that was getting off topic altogether.
I did say if they consume too much meat and dairy.
Anyway I feel bad for the original poster so I'm gona delete all my original comments.

jigglypuffstuff

Gunner Guy wrote: »

All of that cholesterol you ate isn't very good for your heart

Last century called, they want their ill informed bad science back

Gunner Guy

pone2012 wrote: »

Last century called, they want their ill informed bad science back

Those foods are high in cholesterol? That isn't my opinion that's a fact.

gctest50

Gunner Guy wrote: »

All of the white heads on people's faces are directly from the pus of milk..

Source ?

marialouise

Gunner Guy wrote: »

All of that cholesterol you ate isn't very good for your heart.
Fair enough I shouldn't have mentioned the pus thing but it's still true. All of the white heads on people's faces are directly from the pus of milk. Our bodies simply don't know what to do with dairy which is why so many people are lactose intolerant. It causes acne, other chronic skin conditions as well as bloating etc. We don't need it. But yeah you're right that was getting off topic altogether.
I did say if they consume too much meat and dairy.
Anyway I feel bad for the original poster so I'm gona delete all my original comments.

Reading your comments is worse for my heart. 2 eggs in a day of almost completely unprocessed foods and a half hour of running is giving me nothing to worry about.
Also, my skin has never been better, nor my digestive health. Could it be all the wholesome food, exercise in the sunshine, and a good cleansing routine?

We don't need dairy, you're right. We also don't need carbs, we can survive on proteins and fats too, but for this user and his question, we are talking about carbs. Not vegan diets. Not the Irish diet, not skin conditions or bloating or cholestrol. We're talking about a macro split.



OP: On training days I do close to the macro split pone recommended, usually they end up around 33% each. On rest days and just cardio days like today, I do low-carb. If you're looking to maintain (as opposed to lose), defo give 40c/30p/30f a try, and all you can do is try for a few weeks, monitor your energy levels and the scales and see how you get on, then adjust.

marialouise

Gunner Guy wrote: »

All of that cholesterol you ate isn't very good for your heart.
Fair enough I shouldn't have mentioned the pus thing but it's still true. All of the white heads on people's faces are directly from the pus of milk. Our bodies simply don't know what to do with dairy which is why so many people are lactose intolerant. It causes acne, other chronic skin conditions as well as bloating etc. We don't need it. But yeah you're right that was getting off topic altogether.
I did say if they consume too much meat and dairy.
Anyway I feel bad for the original poster so I'm gona delete all my original comments.

Great now I look like I've been b!tching away to myself. Thanks Gunner Guy!

Gunner Guy

marialouise wrote: »

Reading your comments is worse for my heart. 2 eggs in a day of almost completely unprocessed foods and a half hour of running is giving me nothing to worry about.
Also, my skin has never been better, nor my digestive health. Could it be all the wholesome food, exercise in the sunshine, and a good cleansing routine?

We don't need dairy, you're right. We also don't need carbs, we can survive on proteins and fats too, but for this user and his question, we are talking about carbs. Not vegan diets. Not the Irish diet, not skin conditions or bloating or cholestrol. We're talking about a macro split.



OP: On training days I do close to the macro split pone recommended, usually they end up around 33% each. On rest days and just cardio days like today, I do low-carb. If you're looking to maintain (as opposed to lose), defo give 40c/30p/30f a try, and all you can do is try for a few weeks, monitor your energy levels and the scales and see how you get on, then adjust.

Fair enough.

Gunner Guy

marialouise wrote: »

Great now I look like I've been b!tching away to myself. Thanks Gunner Guy!

lol. I'm embarassed at some of my comments anyway. That's what happens when you lose your head.

Mellor

SOrme wrote: »

Need some advice on carbs intake and how much to consume. I weight about 135 lbs. 5'8 and have a sedentary job, work 40 hours a week. I train muay thai at least 3-4 evenings a week after work and cycle on days I don't train which is roughly 6 miles to and from work. Also every 2nd morning I get up and do sets of pullups, pushups, situps and planks so try to be as active as possible during the week. I want to know how many carbs should I be consuming (on average) I try to stick with 20-30g protein every 2-3 hours. Not aiming to bulk out or gain mass cos I think with muay thai the leaner I am the better. Any fitness/nutrition gurus out there that can lend some knowledge that would be great. Thanks

I go for 1g per lb of bodyweight when cutting weight for competition. This works for me along with my protein and fat targets.

I don't tend to have a value when maintaining, but increasing to 1.8-2g/lb feels about right. But all that depends of your fat and protein intake too, "enough carbs" might not be enough if protein or fat is lacking.

Gunner Guy wrote: »

You're a dick. Go **** your self

Do you find eating fruits and vegetable all the time makes you an angry person?

Gunner Guy wrote: »

Fair enough I shouldn't have mentioned the pus thing but it's still true. All of the white heads on people's faces are directly from the pus of milk. Our bodies simply don't know what to do with dairy which is why so many people are lactose intolerant. It causes acne, other chronic skin conditions as well as bloating etc.

That's not true. There's no "pus of milk". :Ache is cause my many different things. For example, one particular cause of it is switching to a vegan diet.
http://www.vegfamily.com/vegan-acne/

I did say if they consume too much meat and dairy.

If you consume too much of anything you'll put on weight.
If you think you can't over eat on a vegan diet you are delusional, and don't know nearly as much as you think.

Also, you are very preachy for somebody who was forced to become vegan for health reasons and not by their own choice. You might want to try not dropping it into every conversation.

Gunner Guy

Mellor wrote: »

I go for 1g per lb of bodyweight when cutting weight for competition. This works for me along with my protein and fat targets.

I don't tend to have a value when maintaining, but increasing to 1.8-2g/lb feels about right. But all that depends of your fat and protein intake too, "enough carbs" might not be enough if protein or fat is lacking.


Do you find eating fruits and vegetable all the time makes you an angry person?


That's not true. There's no "pus of milk". :Ache is cause my many different things. For example, one particular cause of it is switching to a vegan diet.


If you consume too much of anything you'll put on weight.
If you think you can't over eat on a vegan diet you are delusional, and don't know nearly as much as you think.

Also, you are very preachy for somebody who was forced to become vegan for health reasons and not by their own choice. You might want to try not dropping it into every conversation.

No I dont find eating fruit and veg makes me angry. I find that it makes me lean, confident and happy. I deleted all of my comments before you posted so you're dissecting bits and pieces without having read the full conversation. I lost my head due to being insulted.

I get a lot of my facts from doctor Michael Gregor who dedicates his life to studying nutrition. Nutrionfacts . Org
I may have exaggerated saying dairy is full of pus but yes it does contain some. Even if it didn't I don't believe dairy to be a part of an optimal diet due to saturated fat and cholesterol as mentioned already. Dairy and meat clog up arteries and cause heart disease. As well as that it's the number one cause of osteoporosis. I don't know about you but I don't want to have holes in my bones later in life.

Im not delusional if done right I.e no processed or junk food etc you can't really overeat on a vegan diet cause the body is consuming so much fibre. I speak from experience when I say that. It feels full faster. That's why so many people lose weight on a vegan diet. It's very hard to put on weight by eating fruit, grains, legumes, veg etc My BMI is exactly what it should be. When I was eating a typical western diet it was always out of range.

It wasn't my intention to come across as preachy I felt like I gave good advice about eating more carbs and reducing dairy/meat intake to the original poster but then this one guy was obsessed about the vegan bit and wanted to have a debate by insulting me. I believe veganism to be the optimal diet as does doctor Michael Gregor, many other doctors and sportspeople like the number one tennis player Novak Djokovic. They all say it gives you more energy and it really does. I was merely trying to pass on that knowledge.

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

Dairy and meat clog up arteries and cause heart disease. As well as that it's the number one cause of osteoporosis. I don't know about you but I don't want to have holes in my bones later in life.

Where do you get your calcium from?

'Cause dairy is a pretty good source of it and it's typically advised to include dairy in your diet because of that by lots of experts, even if that doctor you referenced thinks otherwise.

jigglypuffstuff

Gunner Guy wrote: »

No I dont find eating fruit and veg makes me angry. I find that it makes me lean, confident and happy. I deleted all of my comments before you posted so you're dissecting bits and pieces without having read the full conversation. I lost my head due to being insulted.

I get a lot of my facts from doctor Michael Gregor who dedicates his life to studying nutrition. Nutrionfacts . Org
I may have exaggerated saying dairy is full of pus but yes it does contain some. Even if it didn't I don't believe dairy to be a part of an optimal diet due to saturated fat and cholesterol as mentioned already. Dairy and meat clog up arteries and cause heart disease. As well as that it's the number one cause of osteoporosis. I don't know about you but I don't want to have holes in my bones later in life.

Im not delusional if done right I.e no processed or junk food etc you can't really overeat on a vegan diet cause the body is consuming so much fibre. I speak from experience when I say that. It feels full faster. That's why so many people lose weight on a vegan diet. It's very hard to put on weight by eating fruit, grains, legumes, veg etc My BMI is exactly what it should be. When I was eating a typical western diet it was always out of range.

It wasn't my intention to come across as preachy I felt like I gave good advice about eating more carbs and reducing dairy/meat intake to the original poster but then this one guy was obsessed about the vegan bit and wanted to have a debate by insulting me. I believe veganism to be the optimal diet as does doctor Michael Gregor, many other doctors and sportspeople like the number one tennis player Novak Djokovic. They all say it gives you more energy and it really does. I was merely trying to pass on that knowledge.

The facts and your opinion are two very different things...as is Micheal Gregor....he's already been widely criticised and a lot of what he spouts is guru nonsense...so id pay no heed to him.

He is an author using his qualifications to try and back up a biased opinion....and you are here also trying to justify a biased opinion

Fact is, humans evolved to eat everything...including meat and fish....take a look at our incisors...they arent there for tearing into spinach leaves and chickpeas only

Another fact is the amount of people who follow vegan diets and have nutritional deficiencies (B12, Calcium, Iron, Zinc etc) speaks volume as to why a balanced diets wins on every account

If your going to give somebody advice, it might be better to use evidence based material (See Alan Aragon etc)

And FYI dietary cholesterol intake is not a significant factor in the majorities blood cholesterol levels...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22037012

PURPOSE OF REVIEW:
The perceived notion that dietary cholesterol is associated with increased risk for coronary heart disease (CHD) has led to dietary recommendations of no more than 300  mg/day for healthy populations in the USA. This study will review the recent evidence that challenges the current dietary restrictions regarding cholesterol while it presents some beneficial effects of eggs (an icon for dietary cholesterol) in healthy individuals.
RECENT FINDINGS:
The European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Korea and India among others do not have an upper limit for cholesterol intake in their dietary guidelines. Further, existing epidemiological data have clearly demonstrated that dietary cholesterol is not correlated with increased risk for CHD. Although numerous clinical studies have shown that dietary cholesterol challenges may increase plasma LDL cholesterol in certain individuals, who are more sensitive to dietary cholesterol (about one-quarter of the population), HDL cholesterol also rises resulting in the maintenance of the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, a key marker of CHD risk.
SUMMARY:
The lines of evidence coming from current epidemiological studies and from clinical interventions utilizing different types of cholesterol challenges support the notion that the recommendations limiting dietary cholesterol should be reconsidered.

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Where do you get your calcium from?

'Cause dairy is a pretty good source of it and it's typically advised to include dairy in your diet because of that by lots of experts, even if that doctor you referenced thinks otherwise.

Good question. Calcium is in most fruits, vegetables, legumes, seeds and nuts. I always easily meet my daily calcium requirements and you don't have to eat all of those food groups to meet it either. Plus those food groups don't have any of the drawbacks that dairy those.

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

Good question. Calcium is in most fruits, vegetables, legumes, seeds and nuts. I always easily meet my daily calcium requirements and you don't have to eat all of those food groups to meet it either. Plus those food groups don't have any of the drawbacks that dairy those.

Can you the breakdown of how you meet your requirements of calcium (as opposed to RDA) from those because if you are getting sufficient calcium, I'd be interested to see how.

Mellor

Gunner Guy wrote: »

No I dont find eating fruit and veg makes me angry. I find that it makes me lean, confident and happy. I deleted all of my comments before you posted so you're dissecting bits and pieces without having read the full conversation. I lost my head due to being insulted.

I aware you deleted some posts. But didn't delete any one else's. And I don't see which insult called for "you're a dick, go fuck yourself".
Hence the anger issue question.

I get a lot of my facts from doctor Michael Gregor who dedicates his life to studying nutrition. Nutrionfacts . Org

He's been largely discredited tbh.

I may have exaggerated saying dairy is full of pus but yes it does contain some. Even if it didn't I don't believe dairy to be a part of an optimal diet due to saturated fat and cholesterol as mentioned already. Dairy and meat clog up arteries and cause heart disease. As well as that it's the number one cause of osteoporosis. I don't know about you but I don't want to have holes in my bones later in life

Milk does now contain pus. Pus is a build of of dead white blood, which have been fighting infection. There are no white blood cells in milk. Dairy and meat do not clog up artises. Saturated fat doesn't either.

You need calcium for strong bones. Milk is s pretty good source of calcium.

Im not delusional if done right I.e no processed or junk food etc you can't really overeat on a vegan diet cause the body is consuming so much fibre. I speak from experience when I say that. It feels full faster. That's why so many people lose weight on a vegan diet. It's very hard to put on weight by eating fruit, grains, legumes, veg etc.

That's demonstrably false tbh.
I work with a person who is s vegan. They are also a very fussy eater. Their diet is at least 80% chips. A vegetable, fried in vegetable oil. Very vegan. The rest is various other rubbish (still vegan). This girl is not a healthy weight.
If you eat only chips all the time, you put on weight.

That alone proves its not impossible to put on weight. It's ridiculous to suggest a vegan diet is automatically healthy. Nothing is that simple

ford2600

http://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/cmasterjohn/an-ancestral-perspective-on-vitamin-d-status-part-2-why-low-25ohd-could-indicate-a-deficiency-of-calcium-instead-of-vitamin-d/

While ye are on calcium, interesting discussion here from Chris Masterjohn

Best of luck with Vegan lifestyle. Keep an eye on Vitamin A, B12, zinc, iron etc. Occasionally look up a source that argues against Vegan lifestyle to keep yourself balanced.

Don't post when angry, it's only the internet but it'll be up there forever...

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Where do you get your calcium from?

'Cause dairy is a pretty good source of it and it's typically advised to include dairy in your diet because of that by lots of experts, even if that doctor you referenced thinks otherwise.

I eat sesame and chia seeds on my porridge. I also eat beans and leafy greens as well as oranges. The seeds alone make up my daily calcium allowance.

Gunner Guy

Mellor wrote: »

I aware you deleted some posts. But didn't delete any one else's. And I don't see which insult called for "you're a dick, go fuck yourself".
Hence the anger issue question.


He's been largely discredited tbh.


Milk does now contain pus. Pus is a build of of dead white blood, which have been fighting infection. There are no white blood cells in milk. Dairy and meat do not clog up artises. Saturated fat doesn't either.

You need calcium for strong bones. Milk is s pretty good source of calcium.


That's demonstrably false tbh.
I work with a person who is s vegan. They are also a very fussy eater. Their diet is at least 80% chips. A vegetable, fried in vegetable oil. Very vegan. The rest is various other rubbish (still vegan). This girl is not a healthy weight.
If you eat only chips all the time, you put on weight.

That alone proves its not impossible to put on weight. It's ridiculous to suggest a vegan diet is automatically healthy. Nothing is that simple

I said it's not really possible to put on weight "if it's done right". Clearly your vegan colleague is not doing it right and just eating crap. Omnivores eat crap too. I'm not interested in debating with you dude as its draining believe what you want to believe.

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I eat sesame and chia seeds on my porridge. I also eat beans and leafy greens as well as oranges. The seeds alone make up my daily calcium allowance.

You must be eating quite large quantities of sesame and chia seeds to be getting near a healthy intake of calcium. As in 100g large.

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You must be eating quite large quantities of sesame and chia seeds to be getting near a healthy intake of calcium. As in 100g large.

I do eat a lot of seeds. But as I said its in everything so you can reach the required level by eating fruit and veg, legumes, nuts and seeds in moderation. Honestly.

You can also buy calcium fortified nut milks which matches or surpasses the amount of calcium in cows milk. These usually also have vitamins like A D and E too as well as B12. But I find these milks have a lot of sugar so I don't bother.

Mellor

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I said it's not really possible to put on weight "if it's done right". Clearly your vegan colleague is not doing it right and just eating crap. Omnivores eat crap too. I'm not interested in debating with you dude as its draining believe what you want to believe.

So you are now saying you won't get fat on a vegan diet if you eat right.
Doesn't that apply to every diet, if you eat right you won't get fat.

You're feeling drained? Maybe you don't have as much energy as you let on.

Gunner Guy

Mellor wrote: »

So you are now saying you won't get fat on a vegan diet if you eat right.
Doesn't that apply to every diet, if you eat right you won't get fat.

You're feeling drained? Maybe you don't have as much energy as you let on.

I don't know where you are getting "so you are now saying.....". That's what I was saying from the very start.

Yes I feel you are provoking me and it's draining. Just relax a bit yeah?

Mellor

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I don't know where you are getting "so you are now saying.....". That's what I was saying from the very start.

At the start you were suggesting that it's not possible to put of weight as a vegan. I pointed out that it was of course possible. You'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.

Yes I feel you are provoking me and it's draining. Just relax a bit yeah?

Provoking you? :rolleyes: lol
That's pretty ironic given your outbursts earlier.

Gunner Guy

Mellor wrote: »

At the start you were suggesting that it's not possible to put of weight as a vegan. I pointed out that it was of course possible. You'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.


Provoking you? :rolleyes: lol
That's pretty ironic given your outbursts earlier.

It's so hard to put on weight by eating legumes, vegetables, nuts, seeds and fruit. That's what I eat. That's vegan done correct in a healthy way. All other people who eat like this say the same thing I.e that it's next to impossible to put on weight cos the fibre fills you up. Nothing deluded about that.

I had an outburst lastnight cos some guy was provoking me basically saying my opinion doesn't count cos I have a chronic illness which is a really crap thing to say to someone who is sick. That was well before I turned to veganism which is reversing my chronic illness.

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

I had an outburst lastnight cos some guy was provoking me basically saying my opinion doesn't count cos I have a chronic illness which is a really crap thing to say to someone who is sick. That was well before I turned to veganism which is reversing my chronic illness.

He didn't say your opinion didn't count. He said that what worked for you isn't going to work for everyone because illness has a role in how your body uses food.

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

He didn't say your opinion didn't count. He said that what worked for you isn't going to work for everyone because illness has a role in how your body uses food.

This is what he said.

"Bit pointless telling "normal" people to follow what works for you then ?"

I found that very personal and offensive tbh. Of course it's not pointless if it's reversing a chronic illness that my previous typical Irish diet gave me in the first place?

Alf Veedersane

Gunner Guy wrote: »

This is what he said.

"Bit pointless telling "normal" people to follow what works for you then ?"

I found that very personal and offensive tbh. Of course it's not pointless if it's reversing a chronic illness that my previous typical Irish diet gave me in the first place?

Yeah, your digestive system isn't the same as people without the issues you have.

A lot of people have a 'typical Irish diet' and don't have a chronic illness so there's something else at play that means your body might react different to different foods.

Gunner Guy

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yeah, your digestive system isn't the same as people without the issues you have.

A lot of people have a 'typical Irish diet' and don't have a chronic illness so there's something else at play that means your body might react different to different foods.

Loads of people in Ireland have chronic illnesses. Everyone knows someone with cancer, there is also heart disease, diabetes and loads more. There is also an obesity problem in Ireland. There are also people who "get by" and are not thriving with energy. It's not cos I have crappy genes dude I was perfectly healthy up until a few years ago.

Also the world health organisation did a study and came out only a few months ago that proved red meat and processed meat are carcinogenic to humans. That includes lamb, beef, veal, pork and the processed meats include sausages and rashers.
WHO are not a vegan organisation so nobody can say that's a biased study.

Anyway I'm out of here.

Dtp1979

Ssshh don't get him angry......, you wouldn't like him when he's angry

jigglypuffstuff

Gunner Guy wrote: »

Loads of people in Ireland have chronic illnesses. Everyone knows someone with cancer, there is also heart disease, diabetes and loads more. There is also an obesity problem in Ireland. There are also people who "get by" and are not thriving with energy. It's not cos I have crappy genes dude I was perfectly healthy up until a few years ago.

Also the world health organisation did a study and came out only a few months ago that proved red meat and processed meat are carcinogenic to humans. That includes lamb, beef, veal, pork and the processed meats include sausages and rashers.
WHO are not a vegan organisation so nobody can say that's a biased study.

Anyway I'm out of here.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Yeah red meat was shown to be type 2A carcinogen based on limited epidemiological studies...processed meat and red meat are very different things... You understand that I assume?


7. Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?

In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out.

8. Processed meat was classified as Group 1, carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean?

This category is used when there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in humans. In other words, there is convincing evidence that the agent causes cancer. The evaluation is usually based on epidemiological studies showing the development of cancer in exposed humans.


But wait..
What's this

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0027510788901947

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15267150

Seems plant based foods such as brocolli somewhat inhibit cancer forming compounds

Its almost as if nature intended us to eat a balanced diet


And yes.. " opinion" doesn't count.... In this case it's because it's based on anecdotal, biased evidence and an author who's widely discredited

It might be better to use facts..opinion based advice isnt the best way to approach what the Op asked

Zillah

I'm vegetarian. I am so for moral reasons. I think people who try to convince themselves and others that eating meat is unhealthy are doing damage to the cause. We evolved eating meat, it is highly nutritious. We can be healthy without eating it if we're careful, but that doesn't mean meat is bad for you; that's a bit of a non-sequitur.

Saturated fat is not bad for you, it doesn't clog your arteries, that is a myth based on poor research in the 80s that has been debunked quite thoroughly by now.

Don't let ideology override reason.