Are the gards always useless??

Narenj

I was assulted on the 3rd of July by 3 guys in a bright daylight and got a broken nose. One of them was carrying a metal bar and luckily jost got beaten in my body not my head with the bar. My partner took a picture of the car's reg number. She contacted the gards straight away and drove me to the hospital. 2 gards showed up in the hospital taking statement and reg number and all that. I was told I would be contacted within 2-3 days. But the only thing was a letter from them saying it was reported and the name of the gard in charge. A week passed by no calles. I tried calling and talking to her but she was never in. Eventually my partner got to talk into her 10 days later when I was in the hospital having surgery on my nose for that assult. She said she would call the following day to come and get a statement. Statement??? Yes she said they had to get another statement, a formal one and they could not do any thing with only the reg number.

We were waiting for her call yesterday nothing (eventhought she said she would be in all day) called the station many time to talk to her but nowhere to be found.

Are the gards always useless????

syklops

/me subscribes and gets popcorn.

bisset

Sorry you've had such a bad experience.

The answer is "No".

Eireog1

Its Guards.

RossieMan

Are we going to get the full story here or just the part that makes you out to be the victim?

Mary63

Its Gardai actually.

Narenj

RossieMan wrote: »

Are we going to get the full story here or just the part that makes you out to be the victim?

Just didn't wanna make it too long but have no reason to hide it.
I was working on Sunday and was driving with my girlfriend beside me. The car in front of me stopped in the middle of the road for over a min and I beeped at him. The driver was pissed off but tried to park but the one that wanted to start the fight was the back passenger who was opening the door to get out of the car and was swearing at me when I passed by. I said the **** off and drove off. The driver was still parking but then they decided to follow me. I tried to avoid any trouble but got stock at a traffic light and could do nothing when so the metal bar

Renegade Mechanic

LOSE DE HAHITUDE!!! :mad:

One_Of_Shanks

Can you go to the station where she works and make a complaint that she has not been helpful etc, give the details of the situation and ask for another guard to handle your case instead?

Narenj

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Can you go to the station where she works and make a complaint that she has not been helpful etc, give the details of the situation and ask for another guard to handle your case instead?

Yes that is a good idea. I will do that today.

dev100

Super efficient at handing out fines though

Amanda.ie

Narenj wrote: »

Yes that is a good idea. I will do that today.

That's not how it works tbh.
How do you know how many more people she has to deal with? You cannot expect her or him to drop everyone else because someone else reports something.
You also dont know what shift she is working etc
You might not be her priority OP.

To answer your question NO not all gardai are useless.

Narenj

Amanda.ie wrote: »

That's not how it works tbh.
How do you know how many more people she has to deal with? You cannot expect her or him to drop everyone else because someone else reports something.
You also dont know what shift she is working etc
You might not be her priority OP.

To answer your question NO not all gardai are useless.

I never expect to drop all the cases just because of my case. But it is almost 2 weeks and nothing has been done.
And about her shifts, either myself or my partner tried to call during her shift but again she was not in.

This has already happened to me but the point is that those who did this me will do worse if they see no consequence to their action.

Amanda.ie

Narenj wrote: »

I never expect to drop all the cases just because of my case. But it is almost 2 weeks and nothing has been done.
And about her shifts, either myself or my partner tried to call during her shift but again she was not in.

This has already happened to me but the point is that those who did this me will do worse if they see no consequence to their action.

Its ten days ago it happened, not that long tbh.
She will have been off 4/5 days in this time and will also be working nights when she cannot contact you.
Im sure she will get to you in time.

Narenj

Narenj wrote: »

I never expect to drop all the cases just because of my case. But it is almost 2 weeks and nothing has been done.
And about her shifts, either myself or my partner tried to call during her shift but again she was not in.

This has already happened to me but the point is that those who did this me will do worse if they see no consequence to their action.

Sorry you have had this bad experience OP, no not all guards are useless, some definitely are though.
In this case, we don't know why she hasn't been in touch, there could be a good genuine reason.

However you are entitled to have your crime investigated expeditiously , so do call to the station.
My advice would be, ask for a sergeant or if at a bigger station an inspector, explain you wish to have your incident investigated properly, it sounds like quite a serious incident.
Also, don't go in just complaining about the guard in question, as we really don't know why she hasn't done anything, there may be a good reason.

Stand your ground & be polite, two weeks with no statement taken really isn't acceptable.

Narenj

Amanda.ie wrote: »

Its ten days ago it happened, not that long tbh.
She will have been off 4/5 days in this time and will also be working nights when she cannot contact you.
Im sure she will get to you in time.

Unfortunately I can not mention the nationality of those who were involved as I think it is against the website's policy. But can mention the fact that to my opinion it is taking too long and if no action is taken fast I would very much doubt they will be able to do anything with them.

Amanda.ie

Narenj wrote: »

Unfortunately I can not mention the nationality of those who were involved as I think it is against the website's policy. But can mention the fact that to my opinion it is taking too long and if no action is taken fast I would very much doubt they will be able to do anything with them.

She might be waiting on Cctv from the area. Its not long tbh OP. There are only so many hours in the day and her workload could be big, she might be in court etc. It's never as simple as it looks.
Give her time and she will contact you.
Going to her Sgt or Inspector will just move her other cases around and someone will always be unhappy.

Bandana boy

10 days for a serious assault is way too long
If her workload is more important than this case then your case needs to be moved to a new officer.

As regards OP no not all Garda are useless but unfortunately with no real performance management , those that are can coast through their 35 years service with very little implications

Narenj

bubblypop wrote: »

Sorry you have had this bad experience OP, no not all guards are useless, some definitely are though.
In this case, we don't know why she hasn't been in touch, there could be a good genuine reason.

However you are entitled to have your crime investigated expeditiously , so do call to the station.
My advice would be, ask for a sergeant or if at a bigger station an inspector, explain you wish to have your incident investigated properly, it sounds like quite a serious incident.
Also, don't go in just complaining about the guard in question, as we really don't know why she hasn't done anything, there may be a good reason.

Stand your ground & be polite, two weeks with no statement taken really isn't acceptable.

You are absolutely right. But when myself or my partner contact the station they say we have to talk to the guard in charge and they know nothing about it. Then we tried so many times to contact within her hours but unsuccessful.

Around half an hour ago I called another number that was in the letter sent to me called helpline number. As I had never had any knowledge on what to do in these cases I called to know if I had to do anything to bring the ones who assulted me to court. The answer was I could ask for compensation of any type through "Criminal injury compensation" which means the people who assulted me will not be responsible for those costs but the tax payers "including myself" will be responsible. Well I have no intention of punishing hard working people. I want the people who assulted me to get a lesson not others

Shint0

From what I understand, OP, they have up to six months to begin an investigation into a case although someone may correct me on this. It can sometimes be difficult to track a Guard in question as others have pointed out. They can be on their day off, on training or on annual leave.
When you ring the Garda station ask when the investigating guard is next on duty and make sure to ring at that time. Without being seen to harrass I would suggest you call the station once a week to get an update. If you still feel you are not getting an adequate response ask for the name of the superintendant and drop them a letter outlining your attempts to get a response.

Narenj

Narenj wrote: »

You are absolutely right. But when myself or my partner contact the station they say we have to talk to the guard in charge and they know nothing about it. Then we tried so many times to contact within her hours but unsuccessful.

Around half an hour ago I called another number that was in the letter sent to me called helpline number. As I had never had any knowledge on what to do in these cases I called to know if I had to do anything to bring the ones who assulted me to court. The answer was I could ask for compensation of any type through "Criminal injury compensation" which means the people who assulted me will not be responsible for those costs but the tax payers "including myself" will be responsible. Well I have no intention of punishing hard working people. I want the people who assulted me to get a lesson not others

Go to the station and speak to the sergeant on duty face to face.
Or ring the station & ask to speak with the superintendent .
You just need someone to start the investigation sooner rather than later.

_Brian

TBH the fact that op titled the thread slurring all Garda makes me wonder what he was up to to need the "assistance" of the Gardai in this case.

My experience is people with a chip on their shoulder towards all Gardai generally fall on the wrong side of the law and never have a positive reason to interact with them.

Have had a few reasons to call on the Gardai over the years and found them helpful and professional in most cases.
Like in any job, the majority are sound, some are exceptional and some are useless.

They have a **** job to do and dealing with people like op who presume they are all useless must be common and frustrating.

Maybe this is the only interaction the OP has had with gardai ?
He doesn't appear to be well versed on what happens when you are a victim & he might not even be Irish.

He got any help from other gardai he has dealings with since the incident, so I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt this time.
He's probably just frustrated.
Believe me, I know all about anti Garda rants!

Shint0

_Brian wrote: »

TBH the fact that op titled the thread slurring all Garda makes me wonder what he was up to to need the "assistance" of the Gardai in this case.

My experience is people with a chip on their shoulder towards all Gardai generally fall on the wrong side of the law and never have a positive reason to interact with them.

While it might be true in some cases it's a different issue. It can sometimes be quite difficult and take time to track down an investigating Guard as a few posters have mentioned because of various reasons around their availabilty.

Amanda.ie

bubblypop wrote: »

Maybe this is the only interaction the OP has had with gardai ?
He doesn't appear to be well versed on what happens when you are a victim & he might not even be Irish.

He got any help from other gardai he has dealings with since the incident, so I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt this time.
He's probably just frustrated.
Believe me, I know all about anti Garda rants!

just to point out it happened on the 03/07/16 and today is the 14/07/16. OP stated he had surgery on the 13/07/16 that is yesterday. it takes times to investigate crime.
Only the investigating member will have the details.

He appears to be able to slag off our gardai calling them useless.

Narenj

Amanda.ie wrote: »

just to point out it happened on the 03/07/16 and today is the 14/07/16. OP stated he had surgery on the 13/07/16 that is yesterday. it takes times to investigate crime.
Only the investigating member will have the details.

He appears to be able to slag off our gardai calling them useless.

I don't think what you are saying is true as I am not trying to slag off any one. But when no action has been taken over the past 11 days despite the fact we tried so many times calling the gardai in charge then I feel there is something wrong

Kimbot

Narenj wrote: »

I don't think what you are saying is true as I am not trying to slag off any one. But when no action has been taken over the past 11 days despite the fact we tried so many times calling the gardai in charge then I feel there is something wrong

Yes there is something wrong, there is only so many guards on duty at any given time, we are in the summer months now so more guards will be on leave with their families etc so those that are working are further stretched.
TBH if I was you I would attend the station and ask for the Super/Sergeant in charge and report it to them.

Narenj

jonnycivic wrote: »

Yes there is something wrong, there is only so many guards on duty at any given time, we are in the summer months now so more guards will be on leave with their families etc so those that are working are further stretched.
TBH if I was you I would attend the station and ask for the Super/Sergeant in charge and report it to them.

I am doing that today but not to do anything against the one in charge but to take this case moving

The Bishop Basher

In my experience OP you're wasting your time.

Better off just walking away and accepting that nothing will be done.

Alternative is to drive yourself slowly insane chasing some from of response.

Amanda.ie wrote: »

just to point out it happened on the 03/07/16 and today is the 14/07/16. OP stated he had surgery on the 13/07/16 that is yesterday. it takes times to investigate crime.
Only the investigating member will have the details.

He appears to be able to slag off our gardai calling them useless.

Even if what you're saying is correct, (10 days is far too long for an assault victim to wait), the lack of response and follow up is inexcusable.

A simple call to say it's being investigated would go along way to pout his mind at ease.

But zero response appears to be the norm unfortunately.

Shint0

jonnycivic wrote: »

TBH if I was you I would attend the station and ask for the Super/Sergeant in charge and report it to them.

A Superintendant might not be available to see the OP even if they do call to the Garda station directly. They might be informed to write a letter to request a meeting by which time the investigating Guard might have already responded.
OP, I feel you should pursue the matter as your experience does not sound pleasant even if we don't know all the details. Hope you recover from your injuries.

Ozziej

Narenj wrote: »

I was assulted on the 3rd of July by 3 guys in a bright daylight and got a broken nose. One of them was carrying a metal bar and luckily jost got beaten in my body not my head with the bar. My partner took a picture of the car's reg number. She contacted the gards straight away and drove me to the hospital. 2 gards showed up in the hospital taking statement and reg number and all that. I was told I would be contacted within 2-3 days. But the only thing was a letter from them saying it was reported and the name of the gard in charge. A week passed by no calles. I tried calling and talking to her but she was never in. Eventually my partner got to talk into her 10 days later when I was in the hospital having surgery on my nose for that assult. She said she would call the following day to come and get a statement. Statement??? Yes she said they had to get another statement, a formal one and <script id="gpt-impl-0.00386094261776021" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_91.js"></script>they could not do any thing with only the reg number.

We were waiting for her call yesterday nothing (eventhought she said she would be in all day) called the station many time to talk to her but nowhere to be found.

Are the gards always useless????

I haven't read any of the thread but I can tell you the two times I have had to call guards on traffic issues I have found them to be totally disinterested.

The first was about 10 years ago when a car rear ended me near Christchurch in Dublin doing damage to my boot and then driving off at speed. I got the REG and saw the white of the guys eyes in my rear view mirror. It took many calls to Gardaí station with excuses that the guy who took the details wasn't on. Eventually I managed to get a hold of him and all he said was the car was registered to a Romanian gypsy woman and that the guy who was probably driving it was banned from driving. hey knew him but he was denying it. I said I saw his face in my rear view mirror (big moustache like Mario) but he said if they were to do a line up he would have to gather up willing Romanians for the line up and that wasn't practical. I then traded my car in so didn't need to get it fixed.

About 4 years ago I am pushing a buggy with my two small kids in a respectable area in Dublin when a lunatic mounts fully the wide footpath and cyclelane driving right at us and another guy. He pulled out off the footpath at the last minute smirking away and shot off. The guy who was on the footpath was shaking like a leaf (he may have been the target) but I was royally pissed off as you'd imagine. I got REG, car, description and still remember the smirking young driver's face today. Again rang guards. They said they would send someone out (never arrived). So another 3 weeks of calling into Gardaí station and phone calls eventually yielded a grumpy guard when came out on the offensive. He said he checked REG, registered to a woman (sound familiar). He asked if anyone is injured. He said I could go to court but the guy would know who I was and may find out where I live. So he wouldn't advise it.

So the question is are they useless or just realistic about conviction?