Stop lines at junctions

degsie · 13-07-2016 3:48pm #1

I've always thought that a stop line at a junction if the FIRST solid line you meet and you should always stop behind this line. Increasingly I see drivers roll up to the 'pedestrian crossing' lines and ignore all other lines including the shaded cyclists lines. Is this just ignorance or is it generally accepted to ignore the first solid line?

bazz26 · 13-07-2016 3:55pm

Just stupid drivers being typically stupid. See plenty of drivers stop their vehicles in the bicycle zone ahead of the white stop line too as if the different colour tarmac and painting of a bicycle in the centre are just there for decoration or fun.

Alanstrainor · 13-07-2016 3:59pm

I have also started noticing people entering the right turn box at a junction when lights are red. The mind really boggles.

biko · 13-07-2016 4:03pm

It's not an accepted rule but not generally enforced and so people think they can get away with it. Or maybe they just have difficulties with some of the rules of the road.

ofcork · 13-07-2016 4:03pm

There is one on patrick st cork where drivers go past the stop line and stop at the brick paving and half block traffic from academy st.

13-07-2016 4:06pm

I see people stopping well after the stop line at the riverside estate in Galway - well past the induction loop that triggers the lights.
They then sit there waiting until someone comes up behind them to trigger the lights.

MJohnston · 13-07-2016 4:12pm

Please don't do this if you're a driver. As a cyclist, you need that space to be in front of the vehicles without blocking the pedestrian crossing - waiting back in between the traffic is usually way more dangerous because of visibility and lack of assigned cycle lanes. This happens to me a lot at the junction of Granby Row and Dorset Street, buses and taxis are the worst offenders for taking up that space.

Del2005 · 13-07-2016 4:12pm

It's drivers not paying attention. On the N81 heading East at the Belgard Road junction they resurfaced the road and never replaced the shell. People are stopping meters from the stop line and give me dirty looks when I pull up to the stop line, like the look as you drive past in an out of service bus lane.

h3000 · 13-07-2016 4:21pm

Every single advanced stop line for cyclist I see there's a car stopped in the red box. I think people actually don't know the difference.

coylemj · 13-07-2016 4:26pm

It's the typical Irish mentality - if there's a rule there to be broken, they will do it, even if there is no gain for the driver and it blocks the parallel lines showing where pedestrians should cross.

Then there is simple stupidity, like where someone (it's almost always a van) is turning left and they come to a stop so far across the stop line that they can't see the filter light on their left so the guy behind has to honk them when the left arrow comes on. Then they look over at the traffic lights in the middle of the junction which are still showing red and they refuse to budge until that light goes green.

wonski · 13-07-2016 4:28pm

coylemj wrote: »

It's the typical Irish mentality

No. It isn't Irish mentality.

It is a worldwide mentality.

RandomAccess · 13-07-2016 4:41pm

Maybe they identify as cyclists ;-)

shietpilot · 13-07-2016 4:47pm

Because being 2 metres ahead makes them quicker. I love it when there are 2 lanes, they are in the right lane and they drive onto the cyclist box and I still end up being quicker in the left lane without breaking speed limits even though I didn't enter the box. Completely pointless really :P

RustyNut · 13-07-2016 4:51pm

RandomAccess · 13-07-2016 4:55pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

I have also started noticing people entering the right turn box at a junction when lights are red. The mind really boggles.

I see this all the time in Dublin where there is a green arrow for straight ahead. They enter the box, then make a right or left turn, and generally they drive through a group of pedestrians who are crossing with a green man!!

Idiots!
Might see if I can get a Garda to hang out at the spot.

tossy · 13-07-2016 5:43pm

We are the worst drivers in Europe everyday i see things that only re affirm this for me. I've driven all over Europe and done all the 'crazies' Italy, Malta, Czech republic - we might not mirror does countries haphazard approach to roundabouts etc but for obeying general rules of the road, driver etiquette and education we are a 3rd world motoring country.

jimbis · 13-07-2016 6:19pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

I have also started noticing people entering the right turn box at a junction when lights are red. The mind really boggles.

Or the total opposites that don't move up into that box when they have the green. Thus not triggering the sensor and left wondering why they did t get the filter light. :mad:

Marcusm · 13-07-2016 7:21pm

Or the other tossets who stop at the red lights and not at the stop line which might be before the junction.

degsie · 13-07-2016 7:23pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Or the other tossets who stop at the red lights and not at the stop line which might be before the junction.

Eh? Aren't all stop lines before the junction

Marcusm · 13-07-2016 7:38pm

degsie wrote: »

Eh? Aren't all stop lines before the junction

Sometimes you'll get offset junctions like this one; cars exiting Merton Drive are not controlled by the lights but 90% of those turning right into the yellow box will stop at the red light which relates to the stop line 50m behind.

degsie · 13-07-2016 7:56pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Sometimes you'll get offset junctions like this one; cars exiting Merton Drive are not controlled by the lights but 90% of those turning right into the yellow box will stop at the red light which relates to the stop line 50m behind.

I can't see they have much of a choice.

Marcusm · 13-07-2016 8:00pm

degsie wrote: »

I can't see they have much of a choice.

And that explains the problem with 99% of drivers - they are never controlled by that light, it relates to a stop line they never cross, they join the road through the yellow box and the stop line is before the box.

degsie · 13-07-2016 8:06pm

Marcusm wrote: »

And that explains the problem with 99% of drivers - they are never controlled by that light, it relates to a stop line they never cross, they join the road through the yellow box and the stop line is before the box.

But there appears to be a pedestrian crossing just after the yellow box.

So you are saying that if the car in this pic turns right, they should ignore the red light?

Marcusm · 13-07-2016 9:17pm

There is no stop line before the pedestrian crossing and there are plenty of sequences at that junction where the light is red but not to allow pedestrians to cross. I am saying that any driver stopping at the light in the box is blocking the highway and causing a hazard. The red light has nothing to do with anyone in the yellow box or beyond. Clearly they should give way to pedestrians in the road and should proceed with caution as the cars coming from Marlborough Riad may forget that they have to give way to vehicles already on Sandford Road however they got there. It is bizarre that an uncontrolled road discharges into a controlled junction, however, there is no authority to stop at the position of the red light. The car would simply be blocking the road.

GM228 · 13-07-2016 9:23pm

Marcusm wrote: »

There is no stop line before the pedestrian crossing and there are plenty of sequences at that junction where the light is red but not to allow pedestrians to cross. I am saying that any driver stopping at the light in the box is blocking the highway and causing a hazard. The red light has nothing to do with anyone in the yellow box or beyond. Clearly they should give way to pedestrians in the road and should proceed with caution as the cars coming from Marlborough Riad may forget that they have to give way to vehicles already on Sandford Road however they got there. It is bizarre that an uncontrolled road discharges into a controlled junction, however, there is no authority to stop at the position of the red light. The car would simply be blocking the road.

There is no authority to pass the red light.

The car turning in the picture is required to stop at the red light, there does not need to be a stop line with a red light.

Legislation states you can't pass a red light unless there's a filter light giving authority to pass the red.

Marcusm · 13-07-2016 9:39pm

GM228 wrote: »

There is no authority to pass the red light.

The car turning in the picture is required to stop at the red light, there does not need to be a stop line with a red light.

Legislation states you can't pass a red light unless there's a filter light giving authority to pass the red.

There is a white line associated with the red light; however, as with many urban red lights, it is not coincident with it. Do you mean that junctions with red lights at both side of the junction, if one passes the first red light and coincident white line on green or amber but not passed the second one before it turns red, it is beholden upon you to stop in the middle of the junction impeding the flow of traffic? That is the situation here and the junction is further enhanced by the yellow box.

RustyNut · 13-07-2016 9:43pm

Marcusm wrote: »

There is no stop line before the pedestrian crossing and there are plenty of sequences at that junction where the light is red but not to allow pedestrians to cross. I am saying that any driver stopping at the light in the box is blocking the highway and causing a hazard. The red light has nothing to do with anyone in the yellow box or beyond. Clearly they should give way to pedestrians in the road and should proceed with caution as the cars coming from Marlborough Riad may forget that they have to give way to vehicles already on Sandford Road however they got there. It is bizarre that an uncontrolled road discharges into a controlled junction, however, there is no authority to stop at the position of the red light. The car would simply be blocking the road.

GM228 wrote: »

There is no authority to pass the red light.

The car turning in the picture is required to stop at the red light, there does not need to be a stop line with a red light.

Legislation states you can't pass a red light unless there's a filter light giving authority to pass the red.

Really it just another example of ****ty road infrastructure from the powers that be.

GM228 · 13-07-2016 9:45pm

Marcusm wrote: »

There is a white line associated with the red light; however, as with many urban red lights, it is not coincident with it. Do you mean that junctions with red lights at both side of the junction, if one passes the first red light and coincident white line on green or amber but not passed the second one before it turns red, it is beholden upon you to stop in the middle of the junction impeding the flow of traffic? That is the situation here and the junction is further enhanced by the yellow box.

Even with a white line you still have no authority to pass the red light if your already past the white line.

Is there another red light before that one out of the picture?

Allinall · 13-07-2016 10:07pm

GM228 wrote: »

Even with a white line you still have no authority to pass the red light if your already past the white line.

Is there another red light before that one out of the picture?

I know that junction well.

The yellow box is there to facilitate cars coming out from Merton Drive and turning right.

They should stop in the box after turning if the lights on the main road are red. Granted only two or three cars can get through in each light change, but when they are there they are not holding up any traffic.

degsie · 13-07-2016 10:38pm

Marcusm wrote: »

There is no stop line before the pedestrian crossing

But there is a solid white line AT the pedestrian crossing. You should stop before this line if that light is red.

RustyNut · 13-07-2016 11:17pm

Allinall wrote: »

I know that junction well.

The yellow box is there to facilitate cars coming out from Merton Drive and turning right.

They should stop in the box after turning if the lights on the main road are red. Granted only two or three cars can get through in each light change, but when they are there they are not holding up any traffic.

But where does that leave the never enter a yellow box unless your exit is clear rule?

Stop lines at junctions

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