Where to get a dog

FrStone

Where do people go to get a dog?

Previously we have gone through done deal, however it's difficult to tell how the breeder has treated the dog, where it's come from etc

I'm not the biggest fan of the KC.

Would love to rehome a dog, but there are a huge amount of regulations and hoops to jump through that practically make it impossible for us - despite guaranteeing that some one will be at home all the time. Our garden isn't fully fenced in so apparently that rules us out.

karenalot

The dog pound. Literally thousands of dogs end up in them each year. Unlike rescues they don't have any criteria for rehoming (which is necessary in rescues cases) and you can bring the dog home the same day as long as their required holding time is up and you pay a small fee.

If you are on Facebook I can PM you some Facebook pound pages or let you know where your local pound is.

Angel2016

FrStone wrote: »

Where do people go to get a dog?

Previously we have gone through done deal, however it's difficult to tell how the breeder has treated the dog, where it's come from etc

I'm not the biggest fan of the KC.

Would love to rehome a dog, but there are a huge amount of regulations and hoops to jump through that practically make it impossible for us - despite guaranteeing that some one will be at home all the time. Our garden isn't fully fenced in so apparently that rules us out.

Go to a rescue and adopt a dog from them by doing that you also have rescue back up & support and they in turn can then take a dog from the pound or another one that needs help

JaCrispy

Donedeal

Gormal

Go to the dog pound and save a life.

kylith

JaCrispy wrote: »

Donedeal

Rife with puppy farmers.

Skatedude

I'd only get a rescue dog,Puppy farming is just wrong and leads to the rescue dogs in the end

Angel2016

Skatedude wrote: »

I'd only get a rescue dog,Puppy farming is just wrong and leads to the rescue dogs in the end

Agreed on this one with puppy farms or breeders as they like to be called you don't know what you are getting generally the parents of the dogs are shown to you out of where they are kept most of the time in my experience in the rescue world alot of dogs from puppy farms, breeders and done deal have problems as you dont know what you are getting loads of rescues all over Ireland have all shapes and sizes and breeds of dogs and you have the added bonus of rescue back up and support.

Chuchote

A friend got a pedigree pup from a small ad. She was shown pictures of mother and pups, but the pup was handed over to her in a car park. It seemed very calm. At home, it crept under the sofa and slept for most of the next three days. Then it woke up crazy, and was a looper for the rest of its life, causing untold grief and angst to her and her family. It was put down due to biting and repeated aggression after some years.

<snip> for my money — you can go and see beautiful dogs; they vet you to make sure you're suitable to have a dog (in their opinion), which I think is a good thing; the dog will be vaccinated, registered, spayed and chipped. Some beautiful lurchers and retired greyhounds there, sweet, lovely-natured dogs.

Angel2016

Chuchote wrote: »

A friend got a pedigree pup from a small ad. She was shown pictures of mother and pups, but the pup was handed over to her in a car park. It seemed very calm. At home, it crept under the sofa and slept for most of the next three days. Then it woke up crazy, and was a looper for the rest of its life, causing untold grief and angst to her and her family. It was put down due to biting and repeated aggression after some years.

<snip> for my money — you can go and see beautiful dogs; they vet you to make sure you're suitable to have a dog (in their opinion), which I think is a good thing; the dog will be vaccinated, registered, spayed and chipped. Some beautiful lurchers and retired greyhounds there, sweet, lovely-natured dogs.

Good advice, you can be lucky with breeders my friend was and has a pug but she was brought to the house to see the parents the breeder had one set of each type of dog as breeders she found it all a bit upsetting so go to a rescue.

tk123

Angel2016 wrote: »

Agreed on this one with puppy farms or breeders as they like to be called you don't know what you are getting generally the parents of the dogs are shown to you out of where they are kept most of the time in my experience in the rescue world alot of dogs from puppy farms, breeders and done deal have problems as you dont know what you are getting loads of rescues all over Ireland have all shapes and sizes and breeds of dogs and you have the added bonus of rescue back up and support.

You seem to be tarring all breeders with the same brush. A reputable breeder will have health certs for both parents, take the pup back if there's problems, provide back up and support and most importantly grill you to see if you're suitable to to take one of their pups.

OP you said your garden isn't fully enclosed - how are you planning on stopping the dog escaping and landing back in a pound or rescue?

Angel2016

tk123 wrote: »

You seem to be tarring all breeders with the same brush. A reputable breeder will have health certs for both parents, take the pup back if there's problems, provide back up and support and most importantly grill you to see if you're suitable to to take one of their pups.

OP you said your garden isn't fully enclosed - how are you planning on stopping the dog escaping and landing back in a pound or rescue?

Experience tells me the good breeders are far and few between, I do know of two good breeders I will admit that one was my sister in laws dog who was a wheaten terrier from a breeder in Mayo and the other was a GSD breeder but I have come across more bad ones then good, I am sure they could enclose their garden or get a dog run.

Jentle Grenade

We were able to adopt from a rescue without having a fenced in garden. I would always encourage anyone looking for a new family member to try the pound/rescues first. So many amazing dogs looking for their own family.

Knine

Angel2016 wrote: »

Experience tells me the good breeders are far and few between, I do know of two good breeders I will admit that one was my sister in laws dog who was a wheaten terrier from a breeder in Mayo and the other was a GSD breeder but I have come across more bad ones then good, I am sure they could enclose their garden or get a dog run.

Experience & being a Breeder myself tells me that the actual issue is educating potential new dog owners on how to tell the difference between a Reputable Breeder & a 'Greeder' or puppy farmer just out to make money. Just looking at these threads where posters are recommending Donedeal & the likes says it all really.

Chuchote

Knine wrote: »

Experience & being a Breeder myself tells me that the actual issue is educating potential new dog owners on how to tell the difference between a Reputable Breeder & a 'Greeder' or puppy farmer just out to make money. Just looking at these threads where posters are recommending Donedeal & the likes says it all really.

I thought it was illegal to sell living creatures through small ads?

tk123

Chuchote wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to sell living creatures through small ads?

Don't think so - plenty of puppy farmers and rescues advertise on them and make the websites big money with advertising from ads on the pages etc etc

EDIT - wasn't one of the sites supposed to be suspending ads over the Christmas period at one stage but it never happened.

Angel2016

tk123 wrote: »

Don't think so - plenty of puppy farmers and rescues advertise on them and make the websites big money with advertising from ads on the pages etc etc

EDIT - wasn't one of the sites supposed to be suspending ads over the Christmas period at one stage but it never happened.

No it's not illegal the main sites are rife with ads and also go onto social media and you know have groups called Sell your pets.....for whatever area and people are charging 250 upwards for what I would call mongrels.
Calling dogs a cocker poodle or some other mix and people pay a fortune its all over the place.

Chuchote

Mmm. Disappointing. I see Coveney here supporting an "advisory", which lacks a certain ballsiness:

http://www.ispca.ie/news/detail/simon_coveney_td_launches_irish_pet_advertising_advisory_group_ipaag_minimu

Nice photo op, though.

Angel2016

Don't get me started on the ISPCA I will go into a rant !
They are campaigning against wild animals in circuses but not one of them turned up to any of the many protests around Ireland yet they are taking in all the donations from people who support their campaign meanwhile everyone else does the hard work.

There needs to be more rules and regulations on puppy farmers / breeders there are too many greedy people out there who have saw an opportunity to make money and it comes at a price to the health and well being of the dogs and people handing over large amounts of money

tk123

Chuchote wrote: »

Mmm. Disappointing. I see Coveney here supporting an "advisory", which lacks a certain ballsiness:

http://www.ispca.ie/news/detail/simon_coveney_td_launches_irish_pet_advertising_advisory_group_ipaag_minimu

Nice photo op, though.

Yeah it's very "Look at me holding a cute puppy!" = ah god he's a nice guy who loves puppies so I'll vote for him lol :rolleyes:

muddypaws

Chuchote wrote: »

Mmm. Disappointing. I see Coveney here supporting an "advisory", which lacks a certain ballsiness:

http://www.ispca.ie/news/detail/simon_coveney_td_launches_irish_pet_advertising_advisory_group_ipaag_minimu

Nice photo op, though.

Thats over a year old.

Yes Coveney has his faults, but he has done more for animal welfare in this country than any other politician. He gets slated a lot by animal lovers and animal welfare workers, but we would be in a much worse position if it wasn't for him. Unfortunately, the way politics works, he has to to deal with more people than just the pro-animal camp, it is a balancing act, whether we agree with it or not, its how the world works.

Knine

Angel2016 wrote: »

Don't get me started on the ISPCA I will go into a rant !
They are campaigning against wild animals in circuses but not one of them turned up to any of the many protests around Ireland yet they are taking in all the donations from people who support their campaign meanwhile everyone else does the hard work.

There needs to be more rules and regulations on puppy farmers / breeders there are too many greedy people out there who have saw an opportunity to make money and it comes at a price to the health and well being of the dogs and people handing over large amounts of money

Don't Tar all Breeders with the same Brush. While off on your little tangent you have ignored what I said about education being the key. There are many many great Breeders in Ireland who put the health & welfare of their dogs above everything else.

People looking for a dog need to be educated after all if these puppy farmers had no customers they would soon stop selling. People handing over large amounts of money for mongrels or cute puppies are keeping this trade alive along with those who don't do their research or care where their dog comes from. Where do you think the dogs in rescues/pounds come from? From Reputable Breeders?

Angel2016

Knine wrote: »

Don't Tar all Breeders with the same Brush. While off on your little tangent you have ignored what I said about education being the key. There are many many great Breeders in Ireland who put the health & welfare of their dogs above everything else.

People looking for a dog need to be educated after all if these puppy farmers had no customers they would soon stop selling. People handing over large amounts of money for mongrels or cute puppies are keeping this trade alive along with those who don't do their research or care where their dog comes from. Where do you think the dogs in rescues/pounds come from? From Reputable Breeders?

I didn't go off on a tangent I was merely expressing my opinion and I know all about educating people about animals and dogs I run a small rescue and have dealt with all sorts of people over the past few years. The fact remains there are more bad breeders out there then good and if you had looked back on my previous posts I said I did know of two good breeders one for a GSD and a wheaten terrier.

I know only too well where the dogs in the pounds come from as I take them from pounds all over Ireland so know only too well where the dogs come from !

Knine

Angel2016 wrote: »

I didn't go off on a tangent I was merely expressing my opinion and I know all about educating people about animals and dogs I run a small rescue and have dealt with all sorts of people over the past few years. The fact remains there are more bad breeders out there then good and if you had looked back on my previous posts I said I did know of two good breeders one for a GSD and a wheaten terrier.

I know only too well where the dogs in the pounds come from as I take them from pounds all over Ireland so know only too well where the dogs come from !

There would be no Bad Breeders if uneducated people did not buy from them so you are missing the point entirely.

tk123

Knine wrote: »

There would be no Bad Breeders if uneducated people did not buy from them so you are missing the point entirely.

+1 and possibly less bad owners picking dogs up out of pounds and rescues who aren't suitable but tick the reacue's boxes. Plenty of recuse dogs are dumped or live crappy lives and plenty of people running rescues live off their fundraising. There's good and bad examples from both sides.

Angel2016

Knine wrote: »

There would be no Bad Breeders if uneducated people did not buy from them so you are missing the point entirely.

I'm not missing the point there will always be so called breeders once money is to be made and it's a wide variety of people that buy dogs from them people who know there the dogs come from and what happens and just dont care and people who haven't a clue overall.
It's simple we need tougher laws where you will actually be punished and education from a young age to kids about animals but we are a long way off all that sure you just have to look at that farmer in Cavan who went to court over the state of his animals and nothing is being done.

muddypaws

Angel2016 wrote: »

I'm not missing the point there will always be so called breeders once money is to be made and it's a wide variety of people that buy dogs from them people who know there the dogs come from and what happens and just dont care and people who haven't a clue overall.
It's simple we need tougher laws where you will actually be punished and education from a young age to kids about animals but we are a long way off all that sure you just have to look at that farmer in Cavan who went to court over the state of his animals and nothing is being done.

You are missing the point. If people only bought from reputable, responsible breeders, then the ones in it for money won't have a market, and would cease to exist.

Angel2016

muddypaws wrote: »

You are missing the point. If people only bought from reputable, responsible breeders, then the ones in it for money won't have a market, and would cease to exist.

The problem here is regulation because some of the ones who call themselves reputable breeders are not and when inspected even by the ISPCA are passed off then an undercover programme exposes them and the truth to the public, this same breeder / person was calling themselves a reputable breeder so even when people think they are going to the right place they are not.

muddypaws

Angel2016 wrote: »

The problem here is regulation because some of the ones who call themselves reputable breeders are not and when inspected even by the ISPCA are passed off then an undercover programme exposes them and the truth to the public, this same breeder / person was calling themselves a reputable breeder so even when people think they are going to the right place they are not.

Its not about regulation, its about people only supporting reputable, ethical breeders, and a little bit of homework allows you to work out who those breeders are. Just because someone calls themselves reputable, doesn't make them so. Unfortunately people want something, and they want it now, so they aren't prepared to do the research and wait for the right dog to come up for them.

I don't know any reputable, ethical breeders that are inspected by the ISPCA, why would they be, they don't have sheds full of breeding bitches.

Ms Doubtfire1

muddypaws wrote: »

Its not about regulation, its about people only supporting reputable, ethical breeders, and a little bit of homework allows you to work out who those breeders are. Just because someone calls themselves reputable, doesn't make them so. Unfortunately people want something, and they want it now, so they aren't prepared to do the research and wait for the right dog to come up for them.

I don't know any reputable, ethical breeders that are inspected by the ISPCA, why would they be, they don't have sheds full of breeding bitches.

Don't know...reputable or not..as long as there are dogs killed in the pounds breeding should not be allowed.we still kill between 2,500 and 3000 dogs a year and as far as I am aware that does not even include greyhounds. Ireland abandons between 5 and 7000 dogs a year..so no, breeding is just plain wrong at this point in time. Ethical or not, it's done to make money, not to improve any breed. Especially not when you look at the current breed standards..still having nightmares of the GSD I saw on the last crufts...

Knine

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Don't know...reputable or not..as long as there are dogs killed in the pounds breeding should not be allowed.we still kill between 2,500 and 3000 dogs a year and as far as I am aware that does not even include greyhounds. Ireland abandons between 5 and 7000 dogs a year..so no, breeding is just plain wrong at this point in time. Ethical or not, it's done to make money, not to improve any breed. Especially not when you look at the current breed standards..still having nightmares of the GSD I saw on the last crufts...

Ah sure lets just let many vunerable breeds die out or become a nanny state & don't allow anybody to choose a particular breed for it's attributes. I can't believe people are still that naive. I don't make any money from my dogs, in fact they have me constantly broke but they are worth every penny I spend on them or the huge amount of time & effort I go to to improve, produce top class dogs, tge endless emails, phone calls, advice, free grooming I do. You clearly don't have a clue.