FrStone wrote: » Where do people go to get a dog? Previously we have gone through done deal, however it's difficult to tell how the breeder has treated the dog, where it's come from etc I'm not the biggest fan of the KC. Would love to rehome a dog, but there are a huge amount of regulations and hoops to jump through that practically make it impossible for us - despite guaranteeing that some one will be at home all the time. Our garden isn't fully fenced in so apparently that rules us out.
JaCrispy wrote: » Donedeal
Skatedude wrote: » I'd only get a rescue dog,Puppy farming is just wrong and leads to the rescue dogs in the end
Chuchote wrote: » A friend got a pedigree pup from a small ad. She was shown pictures of mother and pups, but the pup was handed over to her in a car park. It seemed very calm. At home, it crept under the sofa and slept for most of the next three days. Then it woke up crazy, and was a looper for the rest of its life, causing untold grief and angst to her and her family. It was put down due to biting and repeated aggression after some years. <snip> for my money — you can go and see beautiful dogs; they vet you to make sure you're suitable to have a dog (in their opinion), which I think is a good thing; the dog will be vaccinated, registered, spayed and chipped. Some beautiful lurchers and retired greyhounds there, sweet, lovely-natured dogs.
Angel2016 wrote: » Agreed on this one with puppy farms or breeders as they like to be called you don't know what you are getting generally the parents of the dogs are shown to you out of where they are kept most of the time in my experience in the rescue world alot of dogs from puppy farms, breeders and done deal have problems as you dont know what you are getting loads of rescues all over Ireland have all shapes and sizes and breeds of dogs and you have the added bonus of rescue back up and support.
tk123 wrote: » You seem to be tarring all breeders with the same brush. A reputable breeder will have health certs for both parents, take the pup back if there's problems, provide back up and support and most importantly grill you to see if you're suitable to to take one of their pups. OP you said your garden isn't fully enclosed - how are you planning on stopping the dog escaping and landing back in a pound or rescue?
Angel2016 wrote: » Experience tells me the good breeders are far and few between, I do know of two good breeders I will admit that one was my sister in laws dog who was a wheaten terrier from a breeder in Mayo and the other was a GSD breeder but I have come across more bad ones then good, I am sure they could enclose their garden or get a dog run.
Knine wrote: » Experience & being a Breeder myself tells me that the actual issue is educating potential new dog owners on how to tell the difference between a Reputable Breeder & a 'Greeder' or puppy farmer just out to make money. Just looking at these threads where posters are recommending Donedeal & the likes says it all really.
Chuchote wrote: » I thought it was illegal to sell living creatures through small ads?
tk123 wrote: » Don't think so - plenty of puppy farmers and rescues advertise on them and make the websites big money with advertising from ads on the pages etc etc EDIT - wasn't one of the sites supposed to be suspending ads over the Christmas period at one stage but it never happened.
Chuchote wrote: » Mmm. Disappointing. I see Coveney here supporting an "advisory", which lacks a certain ballsiness:http://www.ispca.ie/news/detail/simon_coveney_td_launches_irish_pet_advertising_advisory_group_ipaag_minimu Nice photo op, though.
Angel2016 wrote: » Don't get me started on the ISPCA I will go into a rant ! They are campaigning against wild animals in circuses but not one of them turned up to any of the many protests around Ireland yet they are taking in all the donations from people who support their campaign meanwhile everyone else does the hard work. There needs to be more rules and regulations on puppy farmers / breeders there are too many greedy people out there who have saw an opportunity to make money and it comes at a price to the health and well being of the dogs and people handing over large amounts of money
Knine wrote: » Don't Tar all Breeders with the same Brush. While off on your little tangent you have ignored what I said about education being the key. There are many many great Breeders in Ireland who put the health & welfare of their dogs above everything else. People looking for a dog need to be educated after all if these puppy farmers had no customers they would soon stop selling. People handing over large amounts of money for mongrels or cute puppies are keeping this trade alive along with those who don't do their research or care where their dog comes from. Where do you think the dogs in rescues/pounds come from? From Reputable Breeders?
Angel2016 wrote: » I didn't go off on a tangent I was merely expressing my opinion and I know all about educating people about animals and dogs I run a small rescue and have dealt with all sorts of people over the past few years. The fact remains there are more bad breeders out there then good and if you had looked back on my previous posts I said I did know of two good breeders one for a GSD and a wheaten terrier. I know only too well where the dogs in the pounds come from as I take them from pounds all over Ireland so know only too well where the dogs come from !
Knine wrote: » There would be no Bad Breeders if uneducated people did not buy from them so you are missing the point entirely.
Angel2016 wrote: » I'm not missing the point there will always be so called breeders once money is to be made and it's a wide variety of people that buy dogs from them people who know there the dogs come from and what happens and just dont care and people who haven't a clue overall. It's simple we need tougher laws where you will actually be punished and education from a young age to kids about animals but we are a long way off all that sure you just have to look at that farmer in Cavan who went to court over the state of his animals and nothing is being done.
muddypaws wrote: » You are missing the point. If people only bought from reputable, responsible breeders, then the ones in it for money won't have a market, and would cease to exist.
Angel2016 wrote: » The problem here is regulation because some of the ones who call themselves reputable breeders are not and when inspected even by the ISPCA are passed off then an undercover programme exposes them and the truth to the public, this same breeder / person was calling themselves a reputable breeder so even when people think they are going to the right place they are not.
muddypaws wrote: » Its not about regulation, its about people only supporting reputable, ethical breeders, and a little bit of homework allows you to work out who those breeders are. Just because someone calls themselves reputable, doesn't make them so. Unfortunately people want something, and they want it now, so they aren't prepared to do the research and wait for the right dog to come up for them. I don't know any reputable, ethical breeders that are inspected by the ISPCA, why would they be, they don't have sheds full of breeding bitches.
Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: » Don't know...reputable or not..as long as there are dogs killed in the pounds breeding should not be allowed.we still kill between 2,500 and 3000 dogs a year and as far as I am aware that does not even include greyhounds. Ireland abandons between 5 and 7000 dogs a year..so no, breeding is just plain wrong at this point in time. Ethical or not, it's done to make money, not to improve any breed. Especially not when you look at the current breed standards..still having nightmares of the GSD I saw on the last crufts...
