Some advice needed re:dog nipping(?) a child

AryaStark

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I understand your push toward saving the dog. You are obviously not going to destroy it. In that case you need to permanently muzzle the animal and never let it near people.

This is nuts. Firstly I don't really think that the dog did anything wrong.

He is young and got excited and there was an accident (that by the sounds of it could have been much worse).

The worst thing now is to overreact and never let it near people. The dog is young and learning. He should be brought out more, and while on lead introduced to loads of kids and different situations. Then the owner can train him on how to react around kids and to have respect for them.

tk123

To be fair the title of the thread is misleading and probably causing the OTT responses. He scratched the child by accident. Yes he shouldn't have gotten out - the lead must have been either crap or damaged for it to snap. Precautions can be put into place from now on, a muzzle to abide by the law and for show etc etc

My dog had his head repeatedly punched by an autistic child 2 months ago to add balance - kids can hurt dogs too but nobody cares.

eoinzy2000

Yeah, being it near kids to teach it. That logical and responsible. I have destroyed a dog that nipped my child before. Sounds to me like it couldve gnawed the face off the child and your solution would be to teach it not to amd show compassion. Its an animal. It broke skin on a childs arm. Destroy it. It is potentially unsafe. Anything else is irresponsible. I am not being dramatic. It is wholly reasonable. Just because I dont agree with your 'save the poor humanesque creature' view does not mean I am being dramatic

Ms Doubtfire1

tk123 wrote: »

To be fair the title of the thread is misleading and probably causing the OTT responses. He scratched the child by accident. Yes he shouldn't have gotten out - the lead must have been either crap or damaged for it to snap. Precautions can be put into place from now on, a muzzle to abide by the law and for show etc etc

My dog had his head repeatedly punched by an autistic child 2 months ago to add balance - kids can hurt dogs too but nobody cares.

I do. I don't let kids near my boy. They always want to pet him and than end up wanting to pull his tale or his ears. (at least the ones that have no idea how to treat dogs, the few close friends I keep in my life have their kids trained properly). And I get rather angry (and VERY LOUD)when i see neighbors kids throwing stones at the cattle in the field or after a cat..lets just say my neighbors don't particularly like me.

Ms Doubtfire1

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Yeah, being it near kids to teach it. That logical and responsible. I have destroyed a dog that nipped my child before. Sounds to me like it couldve gnawed the face off the child and your solution would be to teach it not to amd show compassion. Its an animal. It broke skin on a childs arm. Destroy it. It is potentially unsafe. Anything else is irresponsible. I am not being dramatic. It is wholly reasonable. Just because I dont agree with your 'save the poor humanesque creature' view does not mean I am being dramatic

you think? you're lucky i wasn't the owner of the dog you so proudly had killed cause he/she nipped your misbehaving brat. you'd have the fight of your life on your hands

eoinzy2000

I doubt that. And where did you get the 'proudly killed' from?

Ms Doubtfire1

thats ok. I've buried a few more who did. -the 'proudly killed? your attitude mate.

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Yeah, being it near kids to teach it. That logical and responsible. I have destroyed a dog that nipped my child before. Sounds to me like it couldve gnawed the face off the child and your solution would be to teach it not to amd show compassion. Its an animal. It broke skin on a childs arm. Destroy it. It is potentially unsafe. Anything else is irresponsible. I am not being dramatic. It is wholly reasonable. Just because I dont agree with your 'save the poor humanesque creature' view does not mean I am being dramatic

you sound like a very level headed person here ! maybe you need to teach your kids the correct way to approach / play with a dog? A bite is ALWAYS the last action there were warnings signs before hand your kids didnt listen too (100% the parents fault)

When one of your kids pushs their sibling over and they fall and hurt themselves (happens everyday) maybe even break the skin (ohh shock horror)... or when they pinch each other deliberatly I might add - adoption or possible death is the only solution....

eoinzy2000

There seems to be some confusion between human and dog here???

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

There seems to be some confusion between human and dog here???

No, No confusion...

eoinzy2000

Taking it very personal Doubtfire. Pointed attacks are of no use or consequence here. Dog person or not, please stay objective

Ms Doubtfire1

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Taking it very personal Doubtfire. Pointed attacks are of no use or consequence here. Dog person or not, please stay objective

look who's talking.

eoinzy2000

Thats good cocker, because interactions between human children are hardly useful comparatives to animal/human interactions

Ms Doubtfire1

cocker5 wrote: »

No, No confusion...

I was just typing the same lol

Ms Doubtfire1

but I am going to excuse myself from this post before I get myself banned for calling out a certain poster on various undesirable traits..ignorance being one of them. woops.I better go.

AryaStark

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

There seems to be some confusion between human and dog here???

I hope that you don't own a dog now... If you do then poor dog.

A large dog is a big responsibility. My Husky loves kids but I don't allow strangers dogs to come near her (and I have had parents tell their kids 'quick run over and rub the wolf'). I tell people before they approach her that she does not enjoy kids being near her.
This is because I don't trust kids near her, not that I don't trust her. I have nieces and nephews that have all been thought manners near dogs and they love to play with her. She gets excited chasing them about but would never jump on them.

It takes manners from both a dog and a child for the relationship to work.

eoinzy2000

I merely pointed out my opinion in relation to a potentially dangerous animal. You actually talked about fighting me. Now, come on.

eoinzy2000

I merely pointed out my opinion in relation to a potentially dangerous animal. You actually talked about fighting me. Now, come on.

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Thats good cocker, because interactions between human children are hardly useful comparatives to animal/human interactions

They are useful infact, dogs in general are far better behaved than most kids.

You are very black and white with your views when it comes to animals, but not when it comes to kids... there is GREY area is all areas of life.. including the interaction between humans and between animals and humans...

Ms Doubtfire1

AryaStark wrote: »

I hope that you don't own a dog now... If you do then poor dog.

A large dog is a big responsibility. My Husky loves kids but I don't allow strangers dogs to come near her (and I have had parents tell their kids 'quick run over and rub the wolf'). I tell people before they approach her that she does not enjoy kids being near her.
This is because I don't trust kids near her, not that I don't trust her. I have nieces and nephews that have all been thought manners near dogs and they love to play with her. She gets excited chasing them about but would never jump on them.

It takes manners from both a dog and a child for the relationship to work.

Exactly.And my lurchers is a rescue with an unknown background.I would never risk my dog near kids

eoinzy2000

I own 4 dogs Arya. Do you think I am an irresponsible dog owner? Should I give them up? What do you base your judgements on? Please let me know

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I merely pointed out my opinion in relation to a potentially dangerous animal. You actually talked about fighting me. Now, come on.

and there we have it POTENTIAL.... and your view is to destroy based on the possible potential... dramatic right until the end

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I own 4 dogs Arya. Do you think I am an irresponsible dog owner? Should I give them up? What do you base your judgements on? Please let me know

Based on your previous posts giving them up wouldn't be dramatic enough for you....... they would need to be destroyed

muddypaws

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I merely pointed out my opinion in relation to a potentially dangerous animal. You actually talked about fighting me. Now, come on.

All animals are potentially dangerous - including the human kind.

eoinzy2000

Correct. Potential. As a responsible dog owner I will not maintain a dog that is a risk to children. But hey, thats just me.

AryaStark

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I merely pointed out my opinion in relation to a potentially dangerous animal. You actually talked about fighting me. Now, come on.

Fighting you about the issue of the dog being put down. As a parent that may be what you want but it is not the law.
If my dog was to accidentally bite someone (I would know that it was their fault) there is no way that she would be automatically put down. I would fight with everything I had to make sure it did not happen.

Also when you say that you had the dog 'destroyed' it says everything about your opinion on dogs and is really horrible.

AryaStark

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I own 4 dogs Arya. Do you think I am an irresponsible dog owner? Should I give them up? What do you base your judgements on? Please let me know

Yes I think you are an irresponsible dog owner and I feel sorry for your dogs. That is my opinion and also think that you should probably not own any pets.

cocker5

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Correct. Potential. As a responsible dog owner I will not maintain a dog that is a risk to children. But hey, thats just me.

Phew .......... we can all rest easy and sleep tonight so

forgodssake

The dog caught the child's arm with his mouth .... in my opinion a poor excuse from a dog owner in denial . I'm a dog lover myself but would have no hesitation in respecting the wishes of the parents in this case. Were it not for your dog there would be no damage done to the child.

muddypaws

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Correct. Potential. As a responsible dog owner I will not maintain a dog that is a risk to children. But hey, thats just me.

But all dogs could be a risk to children, it depends on how the child interacts with the dog and other factors.