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Is Trinity College properly "up there"

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    #62
    Permabear
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I got really excited for a minute, but then realized the copy he gave me is green so it must be third or fourth edition. Might still be worth a few bob. As a hedge fund manager, I'm sure you can calculate the reward:investment ratio on deciphering Finnegan's Wake isn't very high. Most people would, quite justifiably, rather watch some Netflix or read a more enjoyable novel. I thought all of you financial types only read the WSJ and the occasional Tim Ferris book:D


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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    I got really excited for a minute, but then realized the copy he gave me is green so it must be third or fourth edition. Might still be worth a few bob. As a hedge fund manager, I'm sure you can calculate the reward:investment ratio on deciphering Finnegan's Wake isn't very high. Most people would, quite justifiably, rather watch some Netflix or read a more enjoyable novel. I thought all of you financial types only read the WSJ and the occasional Tim Ferris book:D

    May I ask you what age you are?

    I see that you've just done the LC but you sound like you're well into your twenties.

    Forgive me for being nosey but I'm genuinely interested.


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    #65
    randylonghorn
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I'm still not a huge Joyce fan, and I'm a bit past 18, but I'd have to completely concur with your point nevertheless.
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    Always good advice to young lads heading off to college, right, TSM? :cool:


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    #67
    TSMGUY
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    Pickpocket wrote: »
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    I'm 19 lol.
    Permabear wrote: »
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    Are you aware of the Myer's Briggs Personality Types? I have a huge feeling you're an ENTP like me.
    https://www.16personalities.com/


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    Charles Babbage
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Jaysus, would you ever go an fund a hedge or something. :rolleyes:


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    TSMGUY
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Jesus, it explains it all! Only type smarter than ENTP, goddamnit! I swear INTP's are the only ones rigorous enough to challenge me, it pisses me off.


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    #71
    randylonghorn
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I just have to pick this point up, it's too good an opportunity to miss! :D

    I often end up defending the study of the humanities (or Arts, as it's more usually known in this country) on this forum, and pointing out that the core skills one acquires by doing so ... critical analysis, the habit of questioning and of seeking connections and new possible interpretations, research skills, the ability to frame and present an argument, etc. ... are all useful and highly transferable skills.

    And i get laughed at and told "business or science" are the only places to be!

    And now we have a hedge fund manager saying "yes, I can see a real value in studying literature!"

    Gotta love it! :D
    TSMGUY wrote: »
    I'm 19 lol.
    Did someone just mistake you for mature, TSM? :cool:


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    TSMGUY
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    I just have to pick this point up, it's too good an opportunity to miss! :D

    I often end up defending the study of the humanities (or Arts, as it's more usually known in this country) on this forum, and pointing out that the core skills one acquires by doing so ... critical analysis, the habit of questioning and of seeking connections and new possible interpretations, research skills, the ability to frame and present an argument, etc. ... are all useful and highly transferable skills.

    And i get laughed at and told "business or science" are the only places to be!

    And now we have a hedge fund manager saying "yes, I can see a real value in studying literature!"

    Gotta love it! :D

    Did someone just mistake you for mature, TSM? :cool:
    Ayyyyy, maybe "precocious", mature not so much. I referred to Ulysses in my LC English exam as "about a woman wa**ing into a flannel" :D


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    Wanderer78
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    I just have to pick this point up, it's too good an opportunity to miss! :D

    I often end up defending the study of the humanities (or Arts, as it's more usually known in this country) on this forum, and pointing out that the core skills one acquires by doing so ... critical analysis, the habit of questioning and of seeking connections and new possible interpretations, research skills, the ability to frame and present an argument, etc. ... are all useful and highly transferable skills.

    And i get laughed at and told "business or science" are the only places to be!

    And now we have a hedge fund manager saying "yes, I can see a real value in studying literature!"

    Gotta love it! :D

    Did someone just mistake you for mature, TSM? :cool:

    society requires all types to operate including the arts


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    TSMGUY
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I'm searching for an INFJ girlfriend, thus far all I've encountered is ESFP "thots" at clubs. I don't think I could have an ENTJ gf, I don't like being led.


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    randylonghorn
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    TSMGUY wrote: »
    Ayyyyy, maybe "precocious", mature not so much. I referred to Ulysses in my LC English exam as "about a woman wa**ing into a flannel" :D
    I think Perma's head just exploded ... :pac:

    How the hell did you manage to drag Ulysses into your LC English exam anyway?
    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    society requires all types to operate including the arts
    Absolutely, and I would argue that the more we can bring down the walls between disciplines, and encourage students to explore and learn from the best that each has to teach, the better the quality of our graduates would be.


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    TSMGUY
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    I think Perma's head just exploded ... :pac:

    How the hell did you manage to drag Ulysses into your LC English exam anyway?

    Absolutely, and I would argue that the more we can bring down the walls between disciplines, and encourage students to explore and learn from the best that each has to teach, the better the quality of our graduates would be.

    I'm either a genius or deeply pretentious. I suspect a little bit of both :pac:


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    #79
    randylonghorn
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I think we may be singing from the same hymn sheet on this one, Perma!


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    TSMGUY
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    There's something to be said for specialization, though! The liberal arts system can be spread a bit too thin. Norman Mailer said he got a degree in aeronautical engineering by doing almost all creative writing courses. A bit worrying....


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    randylonghorn
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    It's an old argument, and it genuinely isn't the easiest thing to get right, but nevertheless I would argue that complete specialisation does not produce the most rounded / best graduates (or the most rounded individuals, for that matter).


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    TSMGUY
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    It's an old argument, and it genuinely isn't the easiest thing to get right, but nevertheless I would argue that complete specialisation does not produce the most rounded / best graduates (or the most rounded individuals, for that matter).
    Alright, I think we just enjoy arguing, so much so we're arguing the same point!


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    TMJM96
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    I think Perma's head just exploded ... :pac:

    How the hell did you manage to drag Ulysses into your LC English exam anyway?

    Absolutely, and I would argue that the more we can bring down the walls between disciplines, and encourage students to explore and learn from the best that each has to teach, the better the quality of our graduates would be.

    I strongly agree with this and some of my lecturers during first year tried (in both theory and labs) to break the wall between humanities and science. In some of our labs we were given free reign with an Arduino and asked to come up with an independent project and he recommended bring in different disciplines. Similar happened for programming. However I do feel that studying a Science has left me lest artistic but at least Universities offer Clubs/Socs to cover this.

    Another user mentioned how in the States they do General Education, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. After secondary I was sick of English and languages and was glad to get into sides of Science I couldn't do in school (i.e programming).

    As in terms of whether TCD is "up there", in Ireland? Definitely. Abroad, not really but the name is known.

    I go to UL so I'm obviously going to be bias. One thing I don't like about TCD is that you're awarded a BA when doing a Science. Nothing against BAs, it's just that if I'm doing Science, I want a B.Sci.


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    #86
    randylonghorn
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    As both of last night's combatants have requested in the cold light of day that I spare their blushes, I have cleaned up and re-opened the thread.

    My patience is at this stage limited though, so I wouldn't suggest that people stir the pot, or, indeed, breach other rules by commenting on moderation on thread.


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    #87
    Pickpocket
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    As both of last night's combatants have requested in the cold light of day that I spare their blushes, I have cleaned up and re-opened the thread.

    My patience is at this stage limited though, so I wouldn't suggest that people stir the pot, or, indeed, breach other rules by commenting on moderation on thread.

    My apologies. Where exactly can I comment on poor moderation?


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    #88
    randylonghorn
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    Feel free to contact the Catmods if you have a problem.

    They're listed at the bottom of the forum.


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    Pickpocket
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Feel free to contact the Catmods if you have a problem.

    They're listed at the bottom of the forum.

    Many thanks.


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    reason vs religion
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    Loving the thread, guys! Keep up the good work.

    Re. Trinity's place, it's such a difficult question as to how to compare universities. And one could expand on that in great detail. I'll just say, though, that I think for most people, when we say x is better than y, implicit in that is a belief that the universities that produce the best research also, as a consequence, attract the best students. But that doesn't always hold. The highest-ranked university of a hypothetical non-English speaking country may only be ranked 200th worldwide, but it still turns out the best undergraduates in that country; in other words, barriers to free movement exist. And because Trinity is considered Ireland's preeminent uni, its top undergraduates in particular will always be seen as the best Ireland has produced, and therefore superior to almost all of those produced by higher ranked English unis that have a lower relative national rank.

    Re. Joyce, it would seem to me that Ulysses is cited by too many great writers as being their favourite novel for it to be the various negative descriptions given to it in this thread. You may disagree with that particular conception of what the perfect novel should be, but you can't deny others theirs. From my own perspective, loved the clean prose of Dubliners and the stories that get better and better with rereading, have returned several times to Portrait of the Artist, which is one of my favourite novels for its distinctive evolving style, how Dedalus's intensifying internal turmoil is conveyed and euphoric climax, and, aware that I probably missed so much of the subtext and many of the allusions, found Ulysses hilarious in parts and always exciting. Finnegans Wake? It can continue gathering dust on my shelf!


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    TSMGUY
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    Pickpocket wrote: »
    Many thanks.

    I feel obliged to point out the moderation wasn't the problem, The other poster and I both got carried away and thanks to the mods being judicious and very understanding (perhaps in view of us both being young) we've worked out our problems independently. If anything we should be incredibly grateful the mods went through the trouble of clearing our vitriol so the 3500+ viewers can enjoy the thread undisturbed.

    Sincere thanks to Randylonghorn and apologies to everyone involved, you and the other poster included.


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