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KeithWoodshead

Pretty disappointing to see Cian Healy's latest bizarre tweet .

Pudsy33

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

Pretty disappointing to see Cian Healy's latest bizarre tweet .

The one from last night? Extremely bizarre

b.gud

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

Pretty disappointing to see Cian Healy's latest bizarre tweet .

What did he say?

Pudsy33

I can't remember the exact wording but he suggested people were following the "repeal the 8th" campaign to be fashionable.

KeithWoodshead

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I can't remember the exact wording but he suggested people were following the "repeal the 8th" campaign to be fashionable.

Yeah that's the jist . You'd actually have more respect for him if he came out with a pro life opinion .

He doesn't seem the brightest . Has previous

molloyjh

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I can't remember the exact wording but he suggested people were following the "repeal the 8th" campaign to be fashionable.

You can be sure some are though. He's getting awful grief from people about the issue itself, which he made no comment on. It reminds me of the same sex marriage referendum last year where I know for a fact some people were changing their Facebook profile pictures and the whole lot but never bothered to check to see if they were registered to vote. Even when it was raised with them that they needed to they didn't bother and in the end didn't vote. But they were also then congratulating themselves afterwards for the result. Personally I see nothing wrong in calling those types of people out tbh.

molloyjh

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

Yeah that's the jist . You'd actually have more respect for him if he came out with a pro life opinion .

He doesn't seem the brightest . Has previous

He made no comment on the issue at all so I have no idea how the bolded bit above is in any way relevant to the tweet.

KeithWoodshead

molloyjh wrote: »

You can be sure some are though. He's getting awful grief from people about the issue itself, which he made no comment on. It reminds me of the same sex marriage referendum last year where I know for a fact some people were changing their Facebook profile pictures and the whole lot but never bothered to check to see if they were registered to vote. Even when it was raised with them that they needed to they didn't bother and in the end didn't vote. But they were also then congratulating themselves afterwards for the result. Personally I see nothing wrong in calling those types of people out tbh.

Ah come off it . He's a man , making a cynical , hurl from the ditch on a ridiculously sensitive issue for a lot of women in Ireland.

People are highlighting it because women are being denied a basic human right afforded to them in nearly every other civilised country on the planet . If you think people are just doing it to look "cool" I'm not sure you really understand how serious the issue is. Our prehistoric eight amendment is the reason Savena Halipanavar died .

Cian Healy's rightly getting called on his bull**** "hot take". Like I said , I'd have more respect for him if he bothered his arse to form and express his own opinion rather than taking a pop at people expressing their own.

Irony is, he's a self proclaimed artist himself . But hey , this is a guy with a history of homophobia/mocking mental health on twittwe

KeithWoodshead

molloyjh wrote: »

He made no comment on the issue at all so I have no idea how the bolded bit above is in any way relevant to the tweet.

That's exactly the point , he had nothing to offer but a bizarre swipe and people who have an opinion on the matter

KeithWoodshead

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

That's exactly the point , he had nothing to offer but a bizarre swipe and people who have an opinion on the matter

Didn't he exactly not do this? (haven't read the tweet - but am thinking along the lines of all those millions of people wearing LiveStrong bands without even knowing what it was for....)

KeithWoodshead

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Didn't he exactly not do this? (haven't read the tweet - but am thinking along the lines of all those millions of people wearing LiveStrong bands without even knowing what it was for....)

"Ya ain't alternative unless you're standing in front of a blue wall these days"

That was his tweet . It wasn't some well thought take down of people latching on to causes they know nothing about . It was an ignorant swipe at people tweeting about the removal of the repeal mural

The problem is how he tweeted about it. What he's said seems anti repeal to me. Where if he's against the "fakers" he hasn't articulated it very well. IMO.

He's saying nothing of merit and pissing of people while doing it.

KeithWoodshead

connemara man wrote: »

The problem is how he tweeted about it. What he's said seems anti repeal to me. Where if he's against the "fakers" he hasn't articulated it very well. IMO.

He's saying nothing of merit and pissing of people while doing it.

This

Tbh he doesn't even come across as anti appeal because he doesn't seem to have the balls to tell us his own opinion on the matter.

He's just trivialising a sensitive issue for sake of an edgy take

Teferi

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

Ah come off it . He's a man , making a cynical , hurl from the ditch on a ridiculously sensitive issue for a lot of women in Ireland.

Ah the old 'he has a penis therefore invalid opinion' thing.

For what it's worth, I think it was a moronic tweet, but leave that sort of stuff out of it.

KeithWoodshead

Teferi wrote: »

Ah the old 'he has a penis therefore invalid opinion' thing.

For what it's worth, I think it was a moronic tweet, but leave that sort of stuff out of it.

That's not what I meant by saying he's a man . at all

Teferi

Well that is what it reads like.

KeithWoodshead

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

"Ya ain't alternative unless you're standing in front of a blue wall these days"

That was his tweet . It wasn't some well thought take down of people latching on to causes they know nothing about . It was an ignorant swipe at people tweeting about the removal of the repeal mural

So absolutely nothing whatsoever about the message on the wall, the content of it, what it means, if he agrees with it, if he doesn't. Nothing at all like that. Just that it seems to be the 'done thing' to stand in front of the wall for a photo.



I suggest that my LiveStrong comparison is spot on tbh.

"You aren't alternative unless you're wearing a yellow wristband these days"

On a similar topic (not the 8th amendment, but how people contextualizing messages and attributing the negative instantly and then requiring apologies and retractions), excellent video here (language extremely NSFW) of Bill Burr discussing that problem. The attribution of intent by third parties and how ridiculous that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3O7b6lqo-I

molloyjh

connemara man wrote: »

The problem is how he tweeted about it. What he's said seems anti repeal to me. Where if he's against the "fakers" he hasn't articulated it very well. IMO.

He's saying nothing of merit and pissing of people while doing it.

I really don't see how what he said could ever be taken as "anti repeal". I know people love to get offended these days, but there is literally nothing in his tweet about the issue itself. Not a single word.

Mountain, meet molehill.

EDIT: I see emmet has beaten me to it there. So, what he said.....

molloyjh

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

That's not what I meant by saying he's a man . at all

What relevance has his gender at all? And see how easy it is to completely misinterpret the written word.

molloyjh

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

If you think people are just doing it to look "cool" I'm not sure you really understand how serious the issue is. Our prehistoric eight amendment is the reason Savena Halipanavar died.

On the contrary, I'm fully aware of how serious it is. The point is that those individuals doing it to look good are the ones who aren't taking it seriously. Which is kind of the point. Thinking that everyone taking selfies in front of the mural is thinking of the seriousness of the issue is naive in the extreme. You need to separate the issue from the behaviours of individuals regarding the issue. The two are not the same thing.

Kiwi_knock

I say if you asked a few of those in favour of repealing or keeping the amendment they wouldn't have a clue about the wording of the Eight Amendment. Too many people are happy with catchy slogans and hashtags, without bothering to read up on an issue.

irishbucsfan

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

That was his tweet . It wasn't some well thought take down of people latching on to causes they know nothing about . It was an ignorant swipe at people tweeting about the removal of the repeal mural

Nope. It wasn't.

molloyjh

molloyjh wrote: »

I really don't see how what he said could ever be taken as "anti repeal". I know people love to get offended these days, but there is literally nothing in his tweet about the issue itself. Not a single word.

Mountain, meet molehill.

EDIT: I see emmet has beaten me to it there. So, what he said.....

That's what I said the issue was he says nothing of consequence and says it poorly.

The reason to me it can come across as anti repeal ( and remember this is my perspective on what he's tweeted) is
1. nothing but that mural was on a blue wall ie there ( well as far as I can see) aren't tonnes of people standing in front of blue walls in solidarity

2. The mural was a big deal for a while before hand. And was the only thing if it's kind about.

3. His wording feels anti what was on the wall because it's so flippant.

4. By not dealing with the issue of "fakers" by calling out them he's leaving a vague comment about the wall and for me the message.

That's my interpretation of his poor tweet on what is a sensitive issue for many people. He worded something he wanted to say badly IMO. Which has left it open to interpretation. Which will make whatever he meant come across badly

thomond2006

KeithWoodshead wrote: »

Ah come off it . He's a man , making a cynical , hurl from the ditch on a ridiculously sensitive issue for a lot of women in Ireland.

People are highlighting it because women are being denied a basic human right afforded to them in nearly every other civilised country on the planet . If you think people are just doing it to look "cool" I'm not sure you really understand how serious the issue is. Our prehistoric eight amendment is the reason Savena Halipanavar died .

Cian Healy's rightly getting called on his bull**** "hot take". Like I said , I'd have more respect for him if he bothered his arse to form and express his own opinion rather than taking a pop at people expressing their own.

Irony is, he's a self proclaimed artist himself . But hey , this is a guy with a history of homophobia/mocking mental health on twittwe

There are always people who do things to look 'cool'. Take Bernie Sander's campaign as an example. This is an attitude Cian is mocking, not a stance on abortion.

If he has a history of mocking, point it out.

molloyjh

connemara man wrote: »

That's what I said the issue was he says nothing of consequence and says it poorly.

The reason to me it can come across as anti repeal ( and remember this is my perspective on what he's tweeted) is
1. nothing but that mural was on a blue wall ie there ( well as far as I can see) aren't tonnes of people standing in front of blue walls in solidarity

2. The mural was a big deal for a while before hand. And was the only thing if it's kind about.

3. His wording feels anti what was on the wall because it's so flippant.

4. By not dealing with the issue of "fakers" by calling out them he's leaving a vague comment about the wall and for me the message.

That's my interpretation of his poor tweet on what is a sensitive issue for many people. He worded something he wanted to say badly IMO. Which has left it open to interpretation. Which will make whatever he meant come across badly

2 + 2 != 5

connemara man

connemara man wrote: »

That's what I said the issue was he says nothing of consequence and says it poorly.

The reason to me it can come across as anti repeal ( and remember this is my perspective on what he's tweeted) is
1. nothing but that mural was on a blue wall ie there ( well as far as I can see) aren't tonnes of people standing in front of blue walls in solidarity

2. The mural was a big deal for a while before hand. And was the only thing if it's kind about.

3. His wording feels anti what was on the wall because it's so flippant.

4. By not dealing with the issue of "fakers" by calling out them he's leaving a vague comment about the wall and for me the message.

That's my interpretation of his poor tweet on what is a sensitive issue for many people. He worded something he wanted to say badly IMO. Which has left it open to interpretation. Which will make whatever he meant come across badly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtvqT_wMeY

errlloyd

It does seem to be anti repeal though.

"campaign was specifically designed to get people behind it"

Cian Healy attacks people for getting behind it.

It hasn't even reached huge saturation yet.

b.gud

If it was just some acquaintance of yours that tweeted it you'd read it say to yourself "WTF is he on about" and move quickly along to the next tweet. I think this is exactly the same approach we should take to this. It's a sh!t tweet

b.gud

b.gud wrote: »

If it was just some acquaintance of yours that tweeted it you'd read it say to yourself "WTF is he on about" and move quickly along to the next tweet. I think this is exactly the same approach we should take to this. It's a sh!t tweet

I looked up his twitter and assumed he deleted the offending tweet as I saw nothing that could stir controversy. Honestly I had no idea what it meant before reading this thread.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I saw that tweet last night but couldn't for the life of me figure out what it meant. I'd have been a long time coming to the conclusion it was about the Repeal mural if I hadn't seen this thread.

At the moment I would say it doesn't matter a bit if people are jumping on the bandwagon to look cool. It's an important issue and keeping it in the public eye is what's important at the moment. If some "poser" wants a picture for their FB to make themselves feel cool or trendy and the end result is 250 friends on FB see it and even 10 of them are made aware of the issue as a result then that's a good thing.