The fastest regular car?

CiniO

I was wondering - what would be an example of fastest car available on the market (say within last 15 years) which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune....

What I'm thinking, is a car which would be average price to buy, average price to tax, average price to insure, average cost of maintenance, average on fuel, but provide best performance...

Any ideas?


My example is my own car - 09 Civic 2.2 i-CTDi.

It does 0-100km in 8.5 seconds which is not bad IMO.
Beside that it cost average price to buy similar to any car of that age and size, it costs 280 to tax, not any loadings on insurance, and it's very good on fuel...


So I wonder what cars can do better?

The Sidewards Man

Red D, red I Passat.

genericguy

CiniO wrote: »

I was wondering - what would be an example of fastest car available on the market (say within last 15 years) which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune....

What I'm thinking, is a car which would be average price to buy, average price to tax, average price to insure, average cost of maintenance, average on fuel, but provide best performance...

Any ideas?

BMW 320?

Cee-Jay-Cee

The 170bhp Skoda Superb (not sure on the spec name) They're a fairly fast wagon for what they are.

XR3i

i know the very car

but i don't think you could handle it

CiniO

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The 170bhp Skoda Superb (not sure on the spec name) They're a fairly fast wagon for what they are.

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

CiniO

XR3i wrote: »

i know the very car

but i don't think you could handle it

Come on - what is it?

enya kenny

Ford Mustang - no doubt. My dream ****in car!

55k 2.3 litre 0-60 5.6 seconds
80k 5.0 litre 0-60 4.5 seconds

CiniO

enya kenny wrote: »

Ford Mustang - no doubt. My dream ****in car!

55k 2.3 litre 0-60 5.6 seconds
80k 5.0 litre 0-60 4.5 seconds

You hardly can clasify that as average price to buy, tax and insure

CiniO

genericguy wrote: »

BMW 320?

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

XR3i

CiniO wrote: »

Come on - what is it?

suits you sir




https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/twincam-ae86/12616350

genericguy

CiniO wrote: »

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

I don't know the tax on the 320, it's the fastest I've driven though. I've a 316, 2013, it's about 9 secs, but better in sport mode, and tax is 190.
Edit - just had a quick check and 320 is coming up the same?

winnie the schtink

this is like TOP TRUMPS anyone remember them

Odyssey 2005

CiniO wrote: »

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

Your not right

thierry14

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

Any 3.0tdi

Del2005

0-100 doesn't make a fast car, except in the US. We have these things called bends which means that sometimes the fastest straight line car can't handle the twisties.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

........which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune...........

XR3i wrote: »

suits you sir.....
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/twincam-ae86/12616350

Nope

Oafley Jones

CiniO wrote: »

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

Even with DSG it doesn't feel fast. Another vote for the Lexus GS 450h. Probably the fastest non EV/shouty car I've been in.

dudara

CiniO wrote: »

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

I just paid €200 (IIRC) to tax mine. Pretty powerful car

mickdw

thierry14 wrote: »

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

There are seriously quick and not just to 60 either. They keep going.
That electric motor off the line feels amazing.

For Forks Sake

thierry14 wrote: »

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

cheapest GS450h is over 66 grand, so hardly fits the thread criteria?

Oafley Jones

For Forks Sake wrote: »

cheapest GS450h is over 66 grand, so hardly fits the thread criteria?

Did the OP say new?

Bigus

Forget about the 0 -100 kph times for judging on road performance and look at the mid range acceleration like 50 to 120, a lot of diesels would leave so called sports cars for dead here. Your 2.2 civic is a very good choice. I drove one , rocket ship mid range and a small wonder how the clutch doesn't slip , with so much torque .

Gumbo

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

pippip

kceire wrote: »

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

Del2005

pippip wrote: »

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

If we're talking average for Ireland then none of the listed cars meet the criteria. The average Irish car has the smallest engine with the least power possible to save on motor tax. A 1l Yaris would meet the criteria.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

0-100 doesn't make a fast car, except in the US. We have these things called bends which means that sometimes the fastest straight line car can't handle the twisties.

I agree 0-100 is not "say it all" parameter which would tell everything, but there's hardly any better one.
In general, the lower 0-100 value, the faster the car will be.
I know different cars handle bends differently, but there isn't that much of a difference really, especially if we're talking about quicker cars.

Bigus wrote: »

Forget about the 0 -100 kph times for judging on road performance and look at the mid range acceleration like 50 to 120, a lot of diesels would leave so called sports cars for dead here.

In my experience, the better 0-100km/h result, will also indicate better mid-range acceleration.

You'll hardly find a car doing 0-100 in 8 seconds which will be worse in 50-120 then car doing 10 seconds 0-100.
Or is there?

Your 2.2 civic is a very good choice. I drove one , rocket ship mid range and a small wonder how the clutch doesn't slip , with so much torque .

CiniO

kceire wrote: »

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

But cost more then normal to tax and insure.

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Littlehorny

There is a top gear video on youtube about the Mondeo ST22o, the Mazda 6 MPS and a Vauxhall Vectra and Clarkson says in it that the only four door saloons that you can buy which are faster are Bentleys, Mazaratti's and Meybach's. All cost between 20k and 25k in England at the time.

Gumbo

pippip wrote: »

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

535d
€750 tax per annum
26mpg city and close to 50 on motorway runs.
300bhp and much more torque and that was before the remap
Insurance was the same price as the 525d it replaced!

But, if you want average Irish car then, nothing beats the E90 onwards 320d.