The fastest regular car?

CiniO

I was wondering - what would be an example of fastest car available on the market (say within last 15 years) which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune....

What I'm thinking, is a car which would be average price to buy, average price to tax, average price to insure, average cost of maintenance, average on fuel, but provide best performance...

Any ideas?


My example is my own car - 09 Civic 2.2 i-CTDi.

It does 0-100km in 8.5 seconds which is not bad IMO.
Beside that it cost average price to buy similar to any car of that age and size, it costs 280 to tax, not any loadings on insurance, and it's very good on fuel...


So I wonder what cars can do better?

The Sidewards Man

Red D, red I Passat.

genericguy

CiniO wrote: »

I was wondering - what would be an example of fastest car available on the market (say within last 15 years) which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune....

What I'm thinking, is a car which would be average price to buy, average price to tax, average price to insure, average cost of maintenance, average on fuel, but provide best performance...

Any ideas?

BMW 320?

Cee-Jay-Cee

The 170bhp Skoda Superb (not sure on the spec name) They're a fairly fast wagon for what they are.

XR3i

i know the very car

but i don't think you could handle it

CiniO

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The 170bhp Skoda Superb (not sure on the spec name) They're a fairly fast wagon for what they are.

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

CiniO

XR3i wrote: »

i know the very car

but i don't think you could handle it

Come on - what is it?

enya kenny

Ford Mustang - no doubt. My dream ****in car!

55k 2.3 litre 0-60 5.6 seconds
80k 5.0 litre 0-60 4.5 seconds

CiniO

enya kenny wrote: »

Ford Mustang - no doubt. My dream ****in car!

55k 2.3 litre 0-60 5.6 seconds
80k 5.0 litre 0-60 4.5 seconds

You hardly can clasify that as average price to buy, tax and insure

CiniO

genericguy wrote: »

BMW 320?

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

XR3i

CiniO wrote: »

Come on - what is it?

suits you sir




https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/twincam-ae86/12616350

genericguy

CiniO wrote: »

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

I don't know the tax on the 320, it's the fastest I've driven though. I've a 316, 2013, it's about 9 secs, but better in sport mode, and tax is 190.
Edit - just had a quick check and 320 is coming up the same?

winnie the schtink

this is like TOP TRUMPS anyone remember them

Odyssey 2005

CiniO wrote: »

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

Your not right

thierry14

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

Any 3.0tdi

Del2005

0-100 doesn't make a fast car, except in the US. We have these things called bends which means that sometimes the fastest straight line car can't handle the twisties.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

........which wouldn't be any sport's version or carry any Type-R, GTI, STI, EVO, etc name in it, or cost fortune...........

XR3i wrote: »

suits you sir.....
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/twincam-ae86/12616350

Nope

Oafley Jones

CiniO wrote: »

Looking at spec, it's 2.0 TDI, 8.8s 0-100km/h, top speed 222km/h.

Not bad for what it is, but I think tax is 750 p/a if I'm right.
Still not bad

Even with DSG it doesn't feel fast. Another vote for the Lexus GS 450h. Probably the fastest non EV/shouty car I've been in.

dudara

CiniO wrote: »

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

I just paid €200 (IIRC) to tax mine. Pretty powerful car

mickdw

thierry14 wrote: »

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

There are seriously quick and not just to 60 either. They keep going.
That electric motor off the line feels amazing.

For Forks Sake

thierry14 wrote: »

Lexus 450h 0-60 5secs

cheapest GS450h is over 66 grand, so hardly fits the thread criteria?

Oafley Jones

For Forks Sake wrote: »

cheapest GS450h is over 66 grand, so hardly fits the thread criteria?

Did the OP say new?

Bigus

Forget about the 0 -100 kph times for judging on road performance and look at the mid range acceleration like 50 to 120, a lot of diesels would leave so called sports cars for dead here. Your 2.2 civic is a very good choice. I drove one , rocket ship mid range and a small wonder how the clutch doesn't slip , with so much torque .

Gumbo

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

pippip

kceire wrote: »

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

Del2005

pippip wrote: »

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

If we're talking average for Ireland then none of the listed cars meet the criteria. The average Irish car has the smallest engine with the least power possible to save on motor tax. A 1l Yaris would meet the criteria.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

0-100 doesn't make a fast car, except in the US. We have these things called bends which means that sometimes the fastest straight line car can't handle the twisties.

I agree 0-100 is not "say it all" parameter which would tell everything, but there's hardly any better one.
In general, the lower 0-100 value, the faster the car will be.
I know different cars handle bends differently, but there isn't that much of a difference really, especially if we're talking about quicker cars.

Bigus wrote: »

Forget about the 0 -100 kph times for judging on road performance and look at the mid range acceleration like 50 to 120, a lot of diesels would leave so called sports cars for dead here.

In my experience, the better 0-100km/h result, will also indicate better mid-range acceleration.

You'll hardly find a car doing 0-100 in 8 seconds which will be worse in 50-120 then car doing 10 seconds 0-100.
Or is there?

Your 2.2 civic is a very good choice. I drove one , rocket ship mid range and a small wonder how the clutch doesn't slip , with so much torque .

CiniO

kceire wrote: »

BMW 535d
Audi 3.0

All considerably faster than the run of the mill 320 or 2.2 Honda and all just look like normal everyday rep mobiles.

But cost more then normal to tax and insure.

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Littlehorny

There is a top gear video on youtube about the Mondeo ST22o, the Mazda 6 MPS and a Vauxhall Vectra and Clarkson says in it that the only four door saloons that you can buy which are faster are Bentleys, Mazaratti's and Meybach's. All cost between 20k and 25k in England at the time.

Gumbo

pippip wrote: »

We're not talking looks. Neither would be cheap to run, we're talking avg insurance, maintenance, avg running & purchasing costs etc.

I wouldn't be putting those in many of those brackets.

535d
€750 tax per annum
26mpg city and close to 50 on motorway runs.
300bhp and much more torque and that was before the remap
Insurance was the same price as the 525d it replaced!

But, if you want average Irish car then, nothing beats the E90 onwards 320d.

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

I agree 0-100 is not "say it all" parameter which would tell everything, but there's hardly any better one.
In general, the lower 0-100 value, the faster the car will be.
I know different cars handle bends differently, but there isn't that much of a difference really, especially if we're talking about quicker cars.

I've driven a few Yank tanks that are amazing from the lights but turned like a super tanker, with the same stopping distance. I had an original Mini and while it was never a fast car it could handle a lot better than most cars.

Quicker cars don't meet your criteria as the average car in Ireland is designed to be economical not quick, you can't get low fuel consumption and performance.

marketty

The 170bhp 1.4 tsi golf is quick, I would go so far as to say it's much better value than the gti.

The seamless power delivery of the Leaf is pretty impressive too, the eery silence is not to everyone's taste though!

Pugzilla

Doesn't have 4 wheels, but you can pick up a second hand sportbike for 3-4 grand which will give you supercar performance.

0-100 in seconds, 10 second quartermile, outhandle most road legal cars.

Annual tax is €88, get 40ish MPG, affordable insurance, most of the serviicing can be done yourself.

corcaigh1

Audi A6 tdi bi turbo

NIMAN

Old MkII MR2, esp the Turbo

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

I've driven a few Yank tanks that are amazing from the lights but turned like a super tanker, with the same stopping distance. I had an original Mini and while it was never a fast car it could handle a lot better than most cars.

Sure, I'm sure mini is great at handling.

Actually I think I was able to drive faster in my Bravo than I can in a Civic on bendy country roads, even though bravo was only 1.2 80BHP, and Civic is 2.2 140BHP.
Difference was that Bravo had eibach progressive lowering springs fitted, while civic is stock suspension, which seems too soft on a bumps, and not as stable on a bends.

But in general, civic is much faster car.

Quicker cars don't meet your criteria as the average car in Ireland is designed to be economical not quick, you can't get low fuel consumption and performance.

That's what was trying to find out.
My civic is IMO average for Irish market with tax only at €280, not any loading on insurance, and very reasonable market value for the year.

Other I can think of as well would be 07 Fiat Bravo 1.4 T-Jet 150BHP.
On old tax system it's only 1.4 so around €350 afair, and probably not expensive to insure as well, but also provides 8.5s 0-100km/h.

Superb 170BHP, 320d seem to fit criteria as well.

So what else?

Is Giulietta Cloverleaf regular car?

ianobrien

OP, define fastest. Is it fastest in a straight line or from point A to point B?

If it's fastest in a straight line, then look at max speed and nothing else. If it's point A to B on N roads, then it's something with high speed stability. If it's something like the Healy Pass or Kilmacalogue Harbour between Point A and Point B, it's a small hot hatch that's needed. If it's a typical Irish broken backroad, you need something with suspension travel.

tl/dr OP never defined what s/he means by fastest.

CiniO

ianobrien wrote: »

OP, define fastest. Is it fastest in a straight line or from point A to point B?

If it's fastest in a straight line, then look at max speed and nothing else. If it's point A to B on N roads, then it's something with high speed stability. If it's something like the Healy Pass or Kilmacalogue Harbour between Point A and Point B, it's a small hot hatch that's needed. If it's a typical Irish broken backroad, you need something with suspension travel.

tl/dr OP never defined what s/he means by fastest.

Let's assume for purpose of this thread, that I assume car is the fastest when it has the lowest possible 0-100km/h figure.

Blazer

CiniO wrote: »

2.0 177BHP.

0-100km/h in 7.9 seconds.
Top speed 230km/h.

What's the tax on that one in CO2 band?

I've the e92 model...0-100 in 7.4 seconds with a top speed of 144mph.
I was very impressed as my previous bmw was a 3l 197hp 525D lci and the 329d beat it 0-100 and 0-160 by about 2-3 seconds. Incredible for a 2l engine, I know the car is about 250kg lighter but flipping hell.

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

Let's assume for purpose of this thread, that I assume car is the fastest when it has the lowest possible 0-100km/h figure.

It'd be a Leaf.

colm_mcm

Sure a Leaf official figure is over 10 seconds to 100kmph despite what some owners say.

sunnysoutheast

Tesla Model S? In a few years time.....

Don't think you can buy them here though.

colm_mcm

And they're a long way from regular!

sunnysoutheast

Ha ha yeah. Nice though!

I think it would probably be a 3.0 TDI quattro in practical terms.

Del2005

colm_mcm wrote: »

Sure a Leaf official figure is over 10 seconds to 100kmph despite what some owners say.

Cheap to run, insure and repair. How many people in real life get manufacturers figures? Everything else comes in a lot more expensive on every front.

colm_mcm

You'd do well to beat manufacturers figures on stuff like acceleration or consumption though.

What does running costs have to do with it being slow?

Del2005

colm_mcm wrote: »

You'd do well to beat manufacturers figures on stuff like acceleration or consumption though.

What does running costs have to do with it being slow?

The OP was for the fastest car that was cheap to tax insure and run, 3l cars and Alfa's aren't.

pablo128

Del2005 wrote: »

The OP was for the fastest car that was cheap to tax insure and run, 3l cars and Alfa's aren't.

Yep, and he said the fastest car too, not the fastest milk float.:pac:

colm_mcm

Del2005 wrote: »

The OP was for the fastest car that was cheap to tax insure and run, 3l cars and Alfa's aren't.

Oh right, so it's 2 out of 3 and the 1 that's missing is the fast bit.