Dublin Bus New Airlink 757

River Song

Hi all,

Got this flyer through the letterbox the other day, regarding a new Airlink Service from Camden St. to the Airport. Have looked online and can't find any mention of it or any details, was wondering if anyone knew more? It's perfect for me working at the airport and living about 15 mins from Camden St.

MrMorooka

Looks great, will be very useful for me too. Guess the terminus is the lightly used lay-by opposite the Bleeding Horse.

LXFlyer

MrMorooka wrote: »

Looks great, will be very useful for me too. Guess the terminus is the lightly used lay-by opposite the Bleeding Horse.

Well that bay is lightly used right now - it won't be when all the routes revert to their old route.

This has been a long time in the offing and badly needed - the 747 (despite the increase in services) is under pressure and this will definitely help.

It may also take some pressure off the 16.

McAlban

IIRC wasn't there some rumblings from the NBRU about DB using the Port Tunnel?? (Sorry Know Loads of DB drivers, but very little about DB)

River Song

lxflyer wrote: »

Well that bay is lightly used right now - it won't be when all the routes revert to their old route.

This has been a long time in the offing and badly needed - the 747 (despite the increase in services) is under pressure and this will definitely help.

It may also take some pressure off the 16.

Am I right in saying that this is the bay that the 14/15s would stop at before they used to head towards Earlsfort Terrace? At the side of the Gardai offices?

LXFlyer

River Song wrote: »

Am I right in saying that this is the bay that the 14/15s would stop at before they used to head towards Earlsfort Terrace? At the side of the Gardai offices?

Correct.

It's also the terminus for the 142 during the day between UCD and Portobello.

Currently only the 44 and 61 serve it.

But the plan is for the 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 140 and full 142 to revert to using it if the College Green plan goes ahead.

AlekSmart

River Song wrote: »

Hi all,

Got this flyer through the letterbox the other day, regarding a new Airlink Service from Camden St. to the Airport. Have looked online and can't find any mention of it or any details, was wondering if anyone knew more? It's perfect for me working at the airport and living about 15 mins from Camden St.

Provisional start date.....26/27th June.

alentejo

Just looking at this, it still takes a route which is pitiful slow most of the day. In addition you are paying a premium bus fare. I do wish Dublin bus well this this but I wish the powers that be would do something to improve bus journey times quickly. Dublin is grinding to a halt.

LXFlyer

alentejo wrote: »

Just looking at this, it still takes a route which is pitiful slow most of the day. In addition you are paying a premium bus fare. I do wish Dublin bus well this this but I wish the powers that be would do something to improve bus journey times quickly. Dublin is grinding to a halt.

Bear in mind that like the 747 this is a commercial service - not in receipt of a subsidy.

The fare is set at a level that DB needs to cover costs.

It should certainly be significantly faster than the 16 is for that same journey.

dfx-

the reason why tourist people get the 16 is the cost not the route. Keep the same price, they'll keep using the 16.

LXFlyer

dfx- wrote: »

the reason why tourist people get the 16 is the cost not the route. Keep the same price, they'll keep using the 16.

Not necessarily - The 16 has no competition to the airport until it gets to Westmoreland St so I'm not sure that price is the sole factor.

Also the 757 will be empty starting at Kelly's Corner. Some people may prefer to use a much emptier bus with more luggage space.

Also remember that anyone using another city bus can use a rambler ticket on the Airlink.

StreetLight

River Song wrote: »

Hi all,

Got this flyer through the letterbox the other day, regarding a new Airlink Service from Camden St. to the Airport. Have looked online and can't find any mention of it or any details, was wondering if anyone knew more? It's perfect for me working at the airport and living about 15 mins from Camden St.

Seems to have been mentioned on this website since last year.

LXFlyer

StreetLight wrote: »

Seems to have been mentioned on this website since last year.

That was where I heard of it too.

AngryLips

I wish they would revert the 747 back to its old route when there use to be another airlink service and the 767 ...that meandering route its on now is just painful

LXFlyer

AngryLips wrote: »

I wish they would revert the 747 back to its old route when there use to be another airlink service and the 767 ...that meandering route its on now is just painful

I'd agree about it being painful if you're going to/from Heuston - I try to get on/off at Busaras these days, but the reality is that the loadings have proved that the route was the correct choice.


Even during the leaner years when frequency was cut, the revised route (certainly from what I could see) delivered much better loadings than the old one, as it serves many of the major hotel areas.

AngryLips

The loads probably wouldn't suffer much if it took a more direct route between Westmorland street and the port tunnel, turning right with one stop at Eden Quay instead of the one on OConnell Street and another one at the side of Busarus to serve both the bus station and Connolly would suffice.

LXFlyer

AngryLips wrote: »

The loads probably wouldn't suffer much if it took a more direct route between Westmorland street and the port tunnel, turning right with one stop at Eden Quay instead of the one on OConnell Street and another one at the side of Busarus to serve both the bus station and Connolly would suffice.

I can't imagine DB would want to abandon O'Connell St to Aircoach.

I'm not including the 16 here as that's a PSO service.

Vic_08

I would run the 747 non-stop from O'Connell St - Airport and run the new route Merrion Sq-Westland Row (stop at Pearse Stn.) - Tara St - Busaras (stop) - North Wall - Port Tunnel. Opposite direction Connolly Luas stop - Westland Row - Merrion Sq.

Less traffic issues than Grand Canal area and better sharing of loadings between the routes.

Jamie2k9

This has been a long time in the offing and badly needed - the 747 (despite the increase in services) is under pressure and this will definitely help.

Pressure is not how I would describe it. Yes it does well but by no means stretched and bursting at the scenes.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Pressure is not how I would describe it. Yes it does well but by no means stretched and bursting at the scenes.

Well on several occasions of late I've witnessed full buses leaving people behind along the North Quays at different times of the day, so I'm afraid you're wrong.

There is a need for more buses linking the city with the airport.

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

Well on several occasions of late I've witnessed full buses leaving people behind along the North Quays at different times of the day, so I'm afraid you're wrong.

There is a need for more buses linking the city with the airport.

"occasions" been the key word, so what a few full buses does not mean the route is under pressure.

I'm not trying to argue with you either and I agree more buses are needed linking the airport.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

"occasions" been the key word, so what a few full buses does not mean the route is under pressure.

I'm not trying to argue with you either and I agree more buses are needed linking the airport.

Sorry, but if people are being regularly left behind on a particular route - then there is clearly a problem that needs addressing, and that means more buses are needed.

I and other colleagues of mine have seen this on a regular basis on the 747.

That tells me that the 747 has capacity problems and is therefore under pressure.

But clearly you know different and once again what I see with my own eyes doesn't count and I obviously don't know anything. I really wonder why I bother when people post absolute nonsense and pointless posts like this.

You have a very odd way of "not trying to argue" with me by basically telling me that what I and other colleagues have seen doesn't count for anything.

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

Sorry, but if people are being regularly left behind on a particular route - then there is clearly a problem that needs addressing, and that means more buses are needed.

I and other colleagues of mine have seen this on a regular basis on the 747.

That tells me that the 747 has capacity problems and is therefore under pressure.

But clearly you know different and once again what I see with my own eyes doesn't count and I obviously don't know anything. I'm frankly getting tired of you telling me that I'm wrong, when I'm actually right.

I see it daily at all hours, yes there is the odd peak issues but the service is by no means under pressure.

Now you started the argument here, not me. This was exactly what I wanted to avoid. I am also getting tired of you telling me your always right when it's not always the case. I never said you don't know anything but I would not use the words "under pressure" for a few full buses. This new bus will no really help the situation you describe either.

We will never see eye to eye on a lot of issues but we both like the last word and I am expecting you to reply to this and I will likely reply back if you do!

River Song

Good to hear that it's starting soon!

I'm assuming the route will look something like this?

dfx-

lxflyer wrote: »

Not necessarily - The 16 has no competition to the airport until it gets to Westmoreland St so I'm not sure that price is the sole factor.

Also the 757 will be empty starting at Kelly's Corner. Some people may prefer to use a much emptier bus with more luggage space.

Also remember that anyone using another city bus can use a rambler ticket on the Airlink.

It's absolutely the main factor why the 16 can be full leaving the airport where people walk past the Aircoach and 747 stops. Now they'll walk past the 757 too.

When I heard it about it first, I presumed it was a reincarnation of the 746 type service. That would be needed, not another premium airport route.

Will the newly painted VGs in Harristown move to Summerhill for it or will Harristown be getting back some of the worst buses in the fleet, the EVs that they got rid of a few years ago...

LXFlyer

River Song wrote: »

Good to hear that it's starting soon!

I'm assuming the route will look something like this?

I doubt it - there are no bridges east of Pearse Station that are high enough for a double deck bus to fit under!

I'd say more likely via Merrion Row, Merrion St, Merrion Sq, Westland Row and then Pearse St. It'll have to double back via Townsend St to serve the Macken St area.

LXFlyer

dfx- wrote: »

It's absolutely the main factor why the 16 can be full leaving the airport where people walk past the Aircoach and 747 stops. Now they'll walk past the 757 too.

When I heard it about it first, I presumed it was a reincarnation of the 746 type service. That would be needed, not another premium airport route.

Will the newly painted VGs in Harristown move to Summerhill for it or will Harristown be getting back some of the worst buses in the fleet, the EVs that they got rid of a few years ago...

It will depend upon where people are going though too - price is one factor, but not the sole one.

The 747 isn't exactly empty as it is.

There is room for both commercial and PSO services - the latter is down to the NTA. I've long advocated a significant ramping up of the PSO network at the airport. But the DAA policy of charging all bus and coach operators for the use of the airport bus stops does not help matters. Any increase in PSO operations at the Airport would be at a cost to (at present) individual operators. I find it utterly daft that any PSO operator should be charged anything - it flies in the face of providing a public transport service to/from the Airport. That kind of mentality needs to change. It's akin to DCC hanging onto every last on-street parking space despite them causing significant issues.

Carawaystick

Are the busses to the long term carparks licensed? Could the nta push back on DAA re pso busses that way?



slightly off topic,
the nta journey planner shows a 787 bus route to the airport from Ballymun, but I can't find any timetable/operator/mention of it anywhere else

LXFlyer

Carawaystick wrote: »

Are the busses to the long term carparks licensed? Could the nta push back on DAA re pso busses that way?



slightly off topic,
the nta journey planner shows a 787 bus route to the airport from Ballymun, but I can't find any timetable/operator/mention of it anywhere else

It's possibly the shuttle to/from the hotels there?

Jamie2k9

But the DAA policy of charging all bus and coach operators for the use of the airport bus stops does not help matters. Any increase in PSO operations at the Airport would be at a cost to (at present) individual operators.

The daa charge while not idea its minimal when the cost of additional PSO's are added its the taxpayer footing most of that bill not the operators.

The main issue with airport bus services is when people need them they will not be available. Almost 50% of potential passengers have no access to them so wasting time adding additional PSO's might not deliver much and cost a lot unless there is big changes.

Are the busses to the long term carparks licensed? Could the nta push back on DAA re pso busses that way?

You can be sure everything in DUB has some form of licence/agreement in place. The NTA cannot do anything. Anyway they should get there own house in order before telling others to remove barriers to public transport.

devnull

lxflyer wrote: »

It's possibly the shuttle to/from the hotels there?

Yeah, it's a hotel shuttle ran by express bus. serving hotels.

devnull

Carawaystick wrote: »

Are the busses to the long term carparks licensed? Could the nta push back on DAA re pso busses that way?

It's a tender that goes out every number of years, the last time being last year when Aircoach won it for another five years using the same vehicles as before but upgrading them.

Jamie2k9

26 June - Start Date

Carawaystick

devnull wrote: »

It's a tender that goes out every number of years, the last time being last year when Aircoach won it for another five years using the same vehicles as before but upgrading them.

I appreciate DAA tender the shuttle busses. I'm asking if they need to be licensed by the nta, like sat a BÉ bus to Galway has to have a license from the nta.

ted1

dfx- wrote: »

the reason why tourist people get the 16 is the cost not the route. Keep the same price, they'll keep using the 16.

The 16 is painfully slow to the airport.

mickmmc

Currently, a number of passengers are walking past the 747 and Aircoach termini to avail of the budget fares charged by the 16 and 41 PSO routes located behind the terminal 1 short term car park. There is a market for budget fares to the City Centre and beyond.

IMO the 16 and 41 frequency should be expanded rather than launching another premium service. There is no guarantee that the 757 service will be a success.

GOBUS and Citylink have bus stops close to PSO 16 and 41 areas and not in the Coachpark; they must be paying a premium for those stops.

LXFlyer

mickmmc wrote: »

Currently, a number of passengers are walking past the 747 and Aircoach termini to avail of the budget fares charged by the 16 and 41 PSO routes located behind the terminal 1 short term car park. There is a market for budget fares to the City Centre and beyond.

IMO the 16 and 41 frequency should be expanded rather than launching another premium service. There is no guarantee that the 757 service will be a success.

GOBUS and Citylink have bus stops close to PSO 16 and 41 areas and not in the Coachpark; they must be paying a premium for those stops.

There is quite clearly a market for both commercial and PSO services to and from the airport - but given that airport bound 16s currently have no competition until Westmoreland St, and are often quite full already, it's perfectly possible that some passengers travelling from the Kelly's Corner/Portobello area may favour the new 757 over the 16 as it will be empty and have plenty of luggage space available.

As I already posted, the 747 isn't exactly empty right now either.

We will have to wait and see. It's impossible to say with any degree of certainty that no one will switch.

tomfoolery60

I wonder in the route from Portobello will be less painfully slow than the route from Heuston on the 747 - here's hoping!

devnull

Carawaystick wrote: »

I appreciate DAA tender the shuttle busses. I'm asking if they need to be licensed by the nta, like sat a BÉ bus to Galway has to have a license from the nta.

It's a private hire to the DAA, so needs no license.

J.pilkington

lxflyer wrote: »

As I already posted, the 747 isn't exactly empty right now either.

But it's also not exactly under pressure. It passes me on my way to and from work each day and the vast majority of the time there is always loads of seats / luggage space

LXFlyer

J.pilkington wrote: »

But it's also not exactly under pressure. It passes me on my way to and from work each day and the vast majority of the time there is always loads of seats / luggage space

And where is that?

I (and colleagues) have regularly seen people being left behind on the Quays east of Busaras.

Stevek101

The routing is now available on the journey planner.

LXFlyer

Well again I don't think it'll be going down Fenian St and Erne St given the low bridges.

Northbound I'd expect it to go via Westland Row, Pearse St, Mark St, Townsend St, Sandwith St, Pearse St and then Macken St.

alane20

I drive the 16/41 and also the 747, the quickest route to the airport is actually the 41, many times id meet a colleague on the 747 on gardiner st, by the time he does bus aras and the quays as a 747 I meet him in the airport, having worked the 41, the biggest problem with the 16 is boumount, turning right after the vicount pub is a disaster, at peak times it can take 20 mins for what is basically a series of 3 right hand turns, for an area that is well served by other buses 14/104, the number 1 comes out of shanard road and could easily be routed through boumount and free up room & running time on the 16, the 757 starts on Sunday and route training is available from Thursday for drivers

MrMorooka

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-bus-route-to-airport-2840756-Jun2016/

LXFlyer

The timetable is live now:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/747111/

thomasj

Good to see this area (south docks/gcd) finally getting an airport service. Alot of international companies such as Google and Accenture based here. It makes sense.

Furthermore GCD will soon be a terminus for maynooth, Drogheda Kildare and you have DART services stopping there as well. This could become a major connection point.

LXFlyer

There is already an hourly Aircoach but this more frequent service will definitely improve the situation.

devnull

The Aircoach services is very unreliable because it does not have enough running time.

Vic_08

devnull wrote: »

The Aircoach services is very unreliable because it does not have enough running time.

It is unreliable because it has to deal with 2 big traffic blackspots; Beckett Bridge area and Bray.

It can't recover because of too little running time.

I was somewhat surprised they chose the Bray/Greystones service to divert away from East link as it is the longer route and the Dalkey route sits at Killiney Castle for nearly an hour so lots of recovery time in the more crucial direction for timekeeping.

This DB route will suffer some significant delays in that area as well and I hope they are giving it plenty of recovery time too.

Van.Bosch

So how does it get from Westland row to Cardiff lane? I can't make it out at all