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Brexit & Working in the UK

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  • #32
    mightybashful
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭mightybashful


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Reading your first post it seemed you are in the UK and from reading that post you seem not to have relevant visa.

    Exactly how I read it too


  • #33
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    mightybashful wrote: »
    Exactly how I read it too

    Nobody else seems to misunderstand, including border staff when I travel, so I'm happy with that.


  • #34
    shaunr68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭shaunr68


    McGaggs wrote: »
    This is why I can see the EU negotiating a punitive deal with the UK if they leave. Absolutely destroy them so no one else fancys leaving.
    I can see that too, sadly. Shows an utter contempt for democracy and self determination.


  • #35
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    With the upcoming vote in the UK and it looking more and more like they'll be leaving the EU (if polls are anything to go by), how will this affect Irish people moving and working in the UK?

    I know we have a Common Travel Area, but is this expected to change if the vote passes?
    We can't say what will happen. And it will be a minimum of 2 years before it's clearer. Could take 4 or 6 tears if it turns into long negotiations.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #36
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Most people I know reckon it would be good for Ireland medium term, because we would be the only English speaking country in the EU.

    But all of our trade with the UK could be really badly affected because of currency fluctuation, border uncertainty, tarrif uncertainty. I really think that view is extremely optimistic.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #37
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    12Phase wrote: »
    They are highly unlikely to mess with it as it would cause chaos in NI though.

    CTA is around a long time and even survived the troubles.

    I don't think the CTA is even on the agenda in the uk at the moment. A lot of them don't even seem to realise we're foreign at all!
    But there is no guarantees at all about the common travel area!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #38
    from_atozinc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Speedwell wrote: »
    To clarify, I am not in the UK nor did I claim to be in the UK. I thought that was clear from context. I am working for a company that is based in the UK, but that went through the full legal process to start a registered Irish company that employs me. I do not at the moment have a visa for the UK that allows me to "work" in the UK, nor have I ever done impermissible work in the UK (I am fully conversant with what is considered "work" for visa purposes since I held meetings and training courses in Scotland for several years as part of a US-based multinational, with the proper UK visa for each kind of task). I do currently have full Stamp 4 permission to work for any employer in Ireland. I am fully covered from a visa and work permission standpoint. Please stand down.

    So where are YOU based ?


  • #39
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    from_atozinc wrote: »
    So where are YOU based ?

    She's from the US, living and working in Ireland with the appropriate visa in place. She's employed by a wholly owned, Irish subsidiary of a small IT practice based in the UK.

    FFS lads, it's not that difficult really, is it?


  • #40
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    He's from the US, living and working in Ireland with the appropriate visa in place. He's employed by a wholly owned, Irish subsidiary of a small IT practice based in the UK.

    FFS lads, it's not that difficult really, is it?

    Well he is a She.


  • #41
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Well he is a She.

    Duly noted and apologies to Speedwell.


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  • #42
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    Duly noted and apologies to Speedwell.

    Heh, that particular confusion was occasionally useful when planning training trips to the Middle East in my previous job for the oil industry. I have a gender-ambiguous first name. :)


  • #43
    McSween
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭McSween


    Speedwell wrote: »
    To clarify, I am not in the UK nor did I claim to be in the UK. I thought that was clear from context. I am working for a company that is based in the UK, but that went through the full legal process to start a registered Irish company that employs me. I do not at the moment have a visa for the UK that allows me to "work" in the UK, nor have I ever done impermissible work in the UK (I am fully conversant with what is considered "work" for visa purposes since I held meetings and training courses in Scotland for several years as part of a US-based multinational, with the proper UK visa for each kind of task). I do currently have full Stamp 4 permission to work for any employer in Ireland. I am fully covered from a visa and work permission standpoint. Please stand down.

    This is all well and good but do you mind uploading your documentation so those posters can verify them?


  • #44
    from_atozinc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    Duly noted and apologies to Speedwell.


    FFS, how did you mess that one up, morto for you.


  • #45
    from_atozinc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    She's from the US, living and working in Ireland with the appropriate visa in place. She's employed by a wholly owned, Irish subsidiary of a small IT practice based in the UK.

    FFS lads, it's not that difficult really, is it?


    Ah yes, how could we have messed it up. It's such a straight forward and simple scenario after all. Silly us. :rolleyes:


  • #46
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    323 wrote: »
    Don't see why it would change OP. The Common Travel Area was there before the EU or even the EEC.
    But Enda was in Queens earlier today spouting off all sorts of doom and gloom about putting in all sorts of border controls, no doubt his his boss Frau Merkels behest. Think it would be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    The fact that the EU now exists is the reason why the CTA can't be taken for granted.
    The CTA is an agreement between the UK and Ireland. When Ireland is in the EU and the UK isn't then the CTA becomes the EU's business.

    Think what would the EU's reaction might be to a CTA between, say, Greece and Turkey.


  • #47
    myshirt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    For anyone thinking of making a quick buck by holding short positions or trading on the volatility of Sterling, remember this is taxable at 33% for private individuals.

    Eats right into the profit.


  • #48
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    from_atozinc wrote: »
    Ah yes, how could we have messed it up. It's such a straight forward and simple scenario after all. Silly us. :rolleyes:

    You said it.


  • #49
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    from_atozinc wrote: »
    FFS, how did you mess that one up, morto for you.

    I know. Absolutely morto. I was, like, misperceptive amazeballs doesn't even stawrt to explain it, you know. Fintan was, like, haw haw haw....


  • #50
    from_atozinc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    You said it.


    You missed the roll eyes.


  • #51
    qrx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭qrx


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The fact that the EU now exists is the reason why the CTA can't be taken for granted.
    The CTA is an agreement between the UK and Ireland. When Ireland is in the EU and the UK isn't then the CTA becomes the EU's business.

    Think what would the EU's reaction might be to a CTA between, say, Greece and Turkey.
    Being in the EU makes no difference. Why would EU workers travel to the UK via Ireland? They can get a flight direct to London for €1 if they keep an eye on the sales. Makes no sense for them to travel to Ireland, then to NI and then to the UK.

    Also, the UK will still have control of their borders. The border won't be NI, it will be the Republic of Ireland and they'll control it by proxy. What I mean by that, is if there is something they don't like they'll simply get the Irish government to sort it, or else. Besides, It's also protected by water. we don't have a migrant problem in Ireland because quite simply hoping on a dingy to cross the Irish sea is suicide.


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  • #52
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    qrx wrote: »
    Being in the EU makes no difference. Why would EU workers travel to the UK via Ireland? They can get a flight direct to London for €1 if they keep an eye on the sales. Makes no sense for them to travel to Ireland, then to NI and then to the UK.

    Also, the UK will still have control of their borders. The border won't be NI, it will be the Republic of Ireland and they'll control it by proxy. What I mean by that, is if there is something they don't like they'll simply get the Irish government to sort it, or else. Besides, It's also protected by water. we don't have a migrant problem in Ireland because quite simply hoping on a dingy to cross the Irish sea is suicide.

    If what you say is correct why for immigration reason are many in Britian are voting to exit. If as you say post exit any European can just buy a cheap ticket and fly to London, with no further issue.


  • #53
    qrx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭qrx


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    If what you say is correct why for immigration reason are many in Britian are voting to exit. If as you say post exit any European can just buy a cheap ticket and fly to London, with no further issue.
    Why? Because they are scaremongering. In both scenarios they wont be immigrating. It makes no difference. Pop on a plane and never leave or cross the border on the north, no difference.


  • #54
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    qrx wrote: »
    Why? Because they are scaremongering. In both scenarios they wont be immigrating. It makes no difference. Pop on a plane and never leave or cross the border on the north, no difference.


    If the UK want to control who enters and leaves then it will have to have border controls if not at the border with NI then on entry to the UK from the Island of Ireland which would cause issues with certain persons in NI. Its not scaremongering its simply a fact if UK want to control immigration than what happens at its border will be something very much they want. I accept it may be visa waiver travel with EU states but it will require a control of border. Also certain EU states may require Visa travel for UK nationals meaning the UK may want to do the same. To vote leave and say noting will happen is a lie, no one can be sure what happens but it will take years to sort out.


  • #55
    whatawaster81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭whatawaster81


    What about our border? Works both ways, we won't want a soft touch for immigrants hoping to gain EU citizenship. And I'm sure the EU will think the same. Holiday visa UK and in you go. The commonwealth is a large place.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So essentially we don't know whether I can move over to the UK and work once (if) Brexit passes -- or at least as easily?


  • #57
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So essentially we don't know whether I can move over to the UK and work once (if) Brexit passes -- or at least as easily?

    No one can say with any certainty one way or another if a person's says with 100% certainty you can or cant they are telling lies in my opinion.


  • #58
    lucat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭lucat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So essentially we don't know whether I can move over to the UK and work once (if) Brexit passes -- or at least as easily?
    I want to move there too, but now I can't decide if it's worth my while even applying for jobs. This is the best info I could find: https://www.freemovement.org.uk/brexit-briefing-impact-on-common-travel-area-and-the-irish/


  • #59
    Burty330
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Anybody have any updates on this situation? Are we to be cut from freely working in the UK from now on?


  • #60
    21Savage
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭21Savage


    Burty330 wrote: »
    Anybody have any updates on this situation? Are we to be cut from freely working in the UK from now on?

    I doubt it(I know you want a definitive answer) but I see no reason why they would? English people won't just be able to come to Ireland freely but I doubt that happens much anyway.


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