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N4 - Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod [route options published]

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  • 13-06-2016 1:26am
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    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    A scheme which will likely be high up the list when the current batch of projects are done. Carrick-on-Shannon is one of the most frequent bottlenecks on AA Roadwatch.
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,429 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I would have thought the most frequent one was the right turn from Con Colbert Road onto the S. Circular Rd was mentioned every day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    I would have thought the most frequent one was the right turn from Con Colbert Road onto the S. Circular Rd was mentioned every day.

    The OP's post is about the N4. You are talking about the R148.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The OP's post is about the N4. You are talking about the R148.

    That it's on the same former route is irrelevant, it is mentioned more


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,429 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The OP's post is about the N4. You are talking about the R148.

    I am merely pointing out that Con Collbert Road is mentioned every morning, along with Drumkettle roundabout (although I have no idea where it is other than Cork).

    I cannot recall any mention of Carrick-on-Shannon, but then they generally use local names that I would not recognise.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I mean towns around the country that need bypassing. The most frequent ones are Carrick, Adare, Macroom, New Ross, Buttevant etc.

    There's too many urban congested junctions to list, grade seperation would be difficult the majority of them


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    marno21 wrote: »
    There's too many urban congested junctions to list, grade seperation would be difficult the majority of them
    The solution to congested urban junctions is to reduce traffic, not big construction projects.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Has that ever worked in practice, before?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Has that ever worked in practice, before?

    Constantly! It's actually the most common way of dealing with that problem.

    Would you prefer if every urban road junction was replaced with a grade separated one? That was attempted in the 20th century and people didn't like it.

    Back on topic. Carrick is especially affected by traffic problems as the whole town is laid out along the main road on both sides. Ideal candidate for a bypass, greater need than the Mullingar-Longford dual.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Not EVERY one, but there are plenty of urban junctions around Belfast that could and should be grade seperated.

    Yes, back on topic...I agree, the Carrick bypass is a priority, certainly it should be ahead of the Mullingar to Longford N4 HQDC upgrade, but what is the official line on this?
    I haven't even seen it mentioned by TII anywhere..?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Carrick got a partial bypass back in 1984 which worked for a long time but the narrow bridge over the Shannon is a real bottleneck.

    I hope that this scheme proceeds sooner rather than later.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Carrick got a partial bypass back in 1984 which worked for a long time but the narrow bridge over the Shannon is a real bottleneck.

    I hope that this scheme proceeds sooner rather than later.

    All of these 1980s bypasses were half arsed affairs that are effectively inner relief roads now, Galway, Limerick, New Ross, Mallow, Killarney and Castlebar spring to mind. Only in the 90s did we start doing them properly (Rathkeale being one of the first)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The birth of the separated DC bypass was when we started doing it right - Naas as the outlier then Athlone/Newbridge/North Kildare Towns/Dunleer all built around the same time. Good wide singles well outside the town and sometimes with separation appeared after.

    There is a 1980s Dail debate listing the Department (I think the Department of the Environment - no Transport then) plans for bypasses and nearly all of them are places we wouldn't consider bypassed now or have required doing again. Limerick, New Ross, Letterkenny, Carrick, etc. Actually - the number of them that are screwed by attempting to reuse an existing bridge is huge - Carrick, New Ross and the original Limerick one in particular!


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This scheme has been reactivated by TII. €25k allocation in 2018.

    Will likely be part of the new Capital Plan.

    Mullingar-Roosky is in there too. This will mean continious dual carriageway from the M50 to north of Carrick.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Article on Carrick's traffic problems in the Leitrim Observer, with local politicians calling for a relief road to be built if this scheme is delayed any further

    https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/292568/business-in-carrick-on-shannon-is-being-lost-due-to-ongoing-traffic-problems.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    Article on Carrick's traffic problems in the Leitrim Observer, with local politicians calling for a relief road to be built if this scheme is delayed any further

    https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/home/292568/business-in-carrick-on-shannon-is-being-lost-due-to-ongoing-traffic-problems.html

    Well perhaps if they'd kept development off the existing IRR there wouldn't be such problems now but hey ho.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Only problem is that the new road there was never a bypass, all it was skirt the town centre while cutting it off from one of its marinas and key Shannonside parks.

    And it didn't do anything about the old bridge, which is still the bottleneck.

    Carrick always needed a proper bypass and still does. Then, the existing route should be turned from a road into a street.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    According to the TII website, this project has now moved into the pre-appraisal stage where the project will be assessed to see if it merits prioritisation for funding under the National Development Plan. I fully expect this to enter full planning by the end of 2018.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    2 years of muttering about the potential for any border nonsense means all the dualling and bypass schemes on the N4/N15 are going to have to be prioritised. Can't trust NI to give us decent access to Donegal.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Confirmed by Shane Ross in the Seanad during the week that this will proceed to planning & design in early 2019 having passed pre appraisal stage.

    21km of upgrade between Drumhawlow Co. Roscommon & Faulties Co. Leitrim (the northern terminus of the Dromod Roosky bypass). The section between Tully, Co. Leitrim and Faulties, Co. Leitrim will be an upgrade of the existing N4.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Scheme website launched @ https://carrickdromod.ie/

    Scheme is now at route selection. The study area is on the website, from the northern end of the Dromod-Roosky bypass all the way to Carrick Golf Club. 21km of route to be replaced. Quite a hefty bypass and most welcome. With this, the Collooney-Castlebaldwin and Mullingar-Roosky project, a total of 87km of N4 up for replacement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭franglan


    marno21 wrote: »
    Scheme website launched @ https://carrickdromod.ie/

    Scheme is now at route selection. The study area is on the website, from the northern end of the Dromod-Roosky bypass all the way to Carrick Golf Club. 21km of route to be replaced. Quite a hefty bypass and most welcome. With this, the Collooney-Castlebaldwin and Mullingar-Roosky project, a total of 87km of N4 up for replacement.

    Study area is south and north of Carrick - previous proposed routes where north. Phase 1 goes through previous alliterations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    assume logically looking at the map before the routes are announced that it will go along as close to the bottom of the study area and a single river crossing before lough tap


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tender out for ground investigation:

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/178558/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

    Should be a public consultation with route options in the new year.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,977 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Scheme website is crap - keeps failing to download the PDFs of the study options. Interactive map is all you need.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Anyone know what is going on here?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/consultation/abd99-n4-carrick-on-shannon-to-dromod-project-presentation-of-options-public-consultation-no-2/
    N4 Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod Project - Presentation of Options -Public Consultation No. 2
    From Leitrim County Council

    Published on 18 March 2021

    Open for submissions from 23 March 2021

    Submissions closed 20 April 2021

    Last updated on 18 March 2021

    No sign of an open consultation on the linked website.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Route options due Wednesday next, the 19th, at 2pm.


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