Norn Iron hissing Ireland jersey in Dublin Airport

average hero

A quick link in the Independent showed Norn Iron fans in Dublin airport 'hissing' at an Ireland fan with an Irish jersey on.

Link here: http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/watch-northern-ireland-fans-hiss-at-supporter-wearing-irish-jersey-in-dublin-airport-34787985.html#play

No major issue over it, but the superior overtones of hissing at our national jersey in our largest airport in our country got under my skin a little bit. Childish stuff really but may not have been the most pleasant of flights to have been on.

So AHers what say you, (1) typical of the superiority complex of certain demographics in the North, (2) silly non-threatening childish banter, or (3) a jovial joke from our neighbours from the North of our island illustrating how far our two communities have come forward?

The Sidewards Man

Have you a 4th opinion op?

Matt_Trakker

I hope it's a mix of 2 & 3

I seen plenty of stuff with fans singing together and having a laugh.
I think most people know we're both supporting two teams with slim chances so may as well get along and have the craic.
I hope so anyway.

Dyr

Knew an elderly gent who got the **** kicked out of him by this type of scummer the last time our friends from up north were playing in the aviva.

You just have to bear in mind that there's a sizeable amount of unreconstructed bigots up there.

GLaDOS

I read that earlier.

Barely worth acknowledging.

Seriously, who cares?

buried

(4) Thick's are going to be thick so I do not give a $hit

HiJacques

That's nothing, I had Russian neo-nazis who didn't otherwise have a word of English, singing No Surrender to my face, luckily the Russian army was there to stop me correcting their grammar or things could have gotten nasty.

darkpagandeath

Maybe he was a snake ST Patrick missed ?

osarusan

Face probably blurred out so we can't see the ROI fan smiling along with it.

What a f**king rag the Indo is.

Letree

HiJacques wrote: »

That's nothing, I had Russian neo-nazis who didn't otherwise have a word of English, singing No Surrender to my face, luckily the Russian army was there to stop me correcting their grammar or things could have gotten nasty.

Why would they know that song?

Atlantic Dawn

They had to come cap in hand down to Dublin to get a flight to where their team is playing, enough said.

harney

You read the Indo

HiJacques

Letree wrote: »

Why would they know that song?

Who knows, it was a different time.

You weren't there man.

"Der treatin' us like fukin sheep.... baaa....Baaaa... BAAAAA."

Arsemageddon

Letree wrote: »

Why would they know that song?

Strangely enough...

Back during the qualifiers for the 2004 Euros a group of lads I know from going to Ireland matches were on a tram on their way to the stadium in Moscow for our match with Russia when a load of Russian skinheads got on the tram and came up to them. They asked the lads if they were Irish, the lads said yes (green jerseys were a bit of a give away). The Russians fellas then shouted at them 'we are Moscow UVF' and proceeded to kick lumps out of them, as they were leaving they started singing 'no surrender to the IRA'

Tigger

some of them hate us

Letree

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Strangely enough...

Back during the qualifiers for the 2004 Euros a group of lads I know from going to Ireland matches were on a tram on their way to the stadium in Moscow for our match with Russia when a load of Russian skinheads got on the tram and came up to them. They asked the lads if they were Irish, the lads said yes (green jerseys were a bit of a give away). The Russians fellas then shouted at them 'we are Moscow UVF' and proceeded to kick lumps out of them, as they were leaving they started singing 'no surrender to the IRA'

Yeah that is quite strange, must be something to do with their views on race. They prob identify with the British.

RayM

Right, I'm joining the Real IRA. Who's with me?

dasdog

Slow news day at rag HQ. There was genuine hatred from elements of the NI support even up to ten years ago, some of them really despised us "beggars". It was never really reciprocated thankfully. The NI fans that knew better organised and got their act together alienating the sectarian element totally changing the atmosphere for their games. Seems to be younger NI fans heading over to France who aren't poisoned by growing up in fear/hatred.

If you ever get stick off them, 1298 minutes or thirteen and a half games without scoring a goal. It's still a world record I think :pac:

electrobanana

Thier in a pretty nasty group when it comes to hooligans...Poland,Ukraine and Germany it wont end well for them over there.

Junkyard Tom

'Loyalists' escaping from their wildlife parks.

andekwarhola

I know a fair few NI supporters up there that are sound and don't fit into the usual Loyalist paradigm, which I admit is pretty rampant.

I know a fair few Ireland supporters here who are equally horrible in a blanket sense about NI.

Just take each supporter on their own merits.

Berserker

average hero wrote: »

A quick link in the Independent showed Norn Iron fans in Dublin airport 'hissing' at an Ireland fan with an Irish jersey on.

What do you expect? It's called rivalry. RoI fans aren't exactly respectful when it comes to Northern Irish, English, Scottish and Israeli fans, players and anthems (with the exception of Flower of Scotland) themselves. I suppose it's different when RoI fans do it though!!

andekwarhola wrote: »

I know a fair few NI supporters up there that are sound and don't fit into the usual Loyalist paradigm, which I admit is pretty rampant.

The IFA have done a really good job cleaning up the support base of the international football team. WP is a pleasant, family orientated environment for the most-part these days. Plenty of young people from nationalist areas support the team now.

LeinsterDub

Soccer fans eh?

The Golden Miller

Berserker wrote: »

The IFA have done a really good job cleaning up the support base of the international football team. WP is a pleasant, family orientated environment for the most-part these days. Union flags are a rare sight these days. Plenty of young people from nationalist areas support the team now.

Did they? Whens the last time you were there? Don't know any young nationalists following them. Why would they?

Arsemageddon

Berserker wrote: »

The IFA have done a really good job cleaning up the support base of the international football team. WP is a pleasant, family orientated environment for the most-part these days. Union flags are a rare sight these days. Plenty of young people from nationalist areas support the team now.

The IFA have done a very good job about cutting out a lot of the sectarian nonsense and are to be commended for it.

Saying lots of nationalists support them now is a bit of a stretch though.

Junkyard Tom

Berserker wrote: »

Plenty of young people from nationalist areas support the team now.

Must up in the mid-20's in number now. Fair play to them.

andekwarhola

People get a bit hung up on the idea that there's supposed to be huggy-feely vibes between opposing football supporters. I know a fair few NI supporters in the North that aren't knuckle-draggers but they'll rip piss out out of us, as football supporters do. As would anybody here (or indeed, any of my republic-supporting mates up there to them).

It's only an issue when you're a bonehead that takes it into real life.

pgj2015

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Strangely enough...

Back during the qualifiers for the 2004 Euros a group of lads I know from going to Ireland matches were on a tram on their way to the stadium in Moscow for our match with Russia when a load of Russian skinheads got on the tram and came up to them. They asked the lads if they were Irish, the lads said yes (green jerseys were a bit of a give away). The Russians fellas then shouted at them 'we are Moscow UVF' and proceeded to kick lumps out of them, as they were leaving they started singing 'no surrender to the IRA'

I hope the Irish fans gave as good as they got.

Berserker

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Did they? Whens the last time you were there? Don't know any young nationalists following them. Why would they?

I was there last year. The fans were passionate and partisan but I didn't hear one chant or song that could be classed as offensive. I know plenty of young nationalists who follow NI now. They come from middle class families. Ireland's medal hope for the upcoming Olympics Rory Mc is one, for starters.

12Phase

Well, the worst place they could possibly kick off is France right now.

There's a state of emergency, 90,000+ police officers who are in no mood for dealing with nonsense and various units that have reputations for not thinking twice about using tear gas, tasers and water canon.

I wouldn't suggest doing anything stupid.

Attitude being taken is that hooliganism is a distraction which takes them away from keeping an eye out for terrorism. So they'll come down on it like a tonne of briques.

Arsemageddon

pgj2015 wrote: »

I hope the Irish fans gave as good as they got.

It was 4 middle-aged lads who weren't looking for trouble getting surrounded jumped by 10 to 15 young lads with steel toe boots who were.

I'm sorry to have to disappoint you.

The Golden Miller

pgj2015 wrote: »

I hope the Irish fans gave as good as they got.

You're joking? Don't think I've ever seen an Irish fan throwing a punch in my life. Anytime they are confronted by opposing fans abroad, they get battered everywhere they go. The attitude of our travelling supporters is getting a bit patronising, especially in the last few years imo. A real attitude of "hey everyone look, we're mad b*stards just here for the craic" and trying to over do it for attention. A laughing stock in the eyes of every other fan base, which is dangerous when your confronted by opposing hooligans and fans who have no time for our nonsense, which leaves any Irish fans confronted very vulnerable when they are targeted. I'm not saying we should go around fighting either, but the fans should get in the real world and be able to come together and fight back in unprovoked attacks

The Golden Miller

Berserker wrote: »

I was there last year. The fans were passionate and partisan but I didn't hear one chant or song that could be classed as offensive. I know plenty of young nationalists who follow NI now. They come from middle class families. Ireland's medal hope for the upcoming Olympics Rory Mc is one, for starters.

He was raised as a unionist. He was never a nationalist. Ye the bouncey is a great non-sectarian tune. I wonder how many times the Euro's will get to hear the billy boys and how they are up to their necks in fenian blood?

Arsemageddon

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You're joking? Don't think I've ever seen an Irish fan throwing a punch in my life. Anytime they are confronted by opposing fans abroad, they get battered everywhere they go. The attitude of our travelling supporters is getting a bit patronising, especially in the last few years imo. A real attitude of "hey everyone look, we're mad b*stards just here for the craic" and trying to over do it for attention. A laughing stock in the eyes of every other fan base, which is dangerous when your confronted by opposing hooligans and fans who have no time for our nonsense, which leaves any Irish fans confronted very vulnerable

This is a load of nonsense. We have hardly ever had trouble with other supporters.

The only time I have ever seen Irish fans getting anyway aggressive is when they have stopped young Irish fellas from acting the maggot and giving us all a bad name. The Scots, the Danes, the Swedes and the Dutch do the exact same. That's exactly the way it should be.

HiJacques

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Strangely enough...

Back during the qualifiers for the 2004 Euros a group of lads I know from going to Ireland matches were on a tram on their way to the stadium in Moscow for our match with Russia when a load of Russian skinheads got on the tram and came up to them. They asked the lads if they were Irish, the lads said yes (green jerseys were a bit of a give away). The Russians fellas then shouted at them 'we are Moscow UVF' and proceeded to kick lumps out of them, as they were leaving they started singing 'no surrender to the IRA'

What are you on about?

Seriously, you might as well be a pisshead in Perth for the weekend.

Arsemageddon

HiJacques wrote: »

What are you on about?

Seriously, you might as well be a pisshead in Perth for the weekend.

Good man Jacques, as logical and eloquent as ever.

washman3

Thank God the world has moved on since these pathetic few have last 'supported' their team at a major tournament.
Just a few sad clowns caught in a time-warp.

pgj2015

The Golden Miller wrote: »

You're joking? Don't think I've ever seen an Irish fan throwing a punch in my life. Anytime they are confronted by opposing fans abroad, they get battered everywhere they go. The attitude of our travelling supporters is getting a bit patronising, especially in the last few years imo. A real attitude of "hey everyone look, we're mad b*stards just here for the craic" and trying to over do it for attention. A laughing stock in the eyes of every other fan base, which is dangerous when your confronted by opposing hooligans and fans who have no time for our nonsense, which leaves any Irish fans confronted very vulnerable when they are targeted. I'm not saying we should go around fighting either, but the fans should get in the real world and be able to come together and fight back in unprovoked attacks

i agree 100% with what you said, I have a feeling if the Irish fans were attacked they would apologize to the attackers.

timthumbni

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

'Loyalists' escaping from their wildlife parks.

As opposed to Irish republicans murdering all around them junk hmmm? Jaysus youse are still in a fellow criminal war in Dublin are youse not???

HiJacques

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Good man Jacques, as logical and eloquent as ever.

Just trying to be cool.

Arsemageddon

HiJacques wrote: »

Just trying to be cool.

Well in that case I apologise.

timthumbni

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Must up in the mid-20's in number now. Fair play to them.

Jaysus, that's a lot more than the number of unionists who play bog ball, Tom eh???

The Golden Miller

Arsemageddon wrote: »

This is a load of nonsense. We have hardly ever had trouble with other supporters.

The only time I have ever seen Irish fans getting anyway aggressive is when they have stopped young Irish fellas from acting the maggot and giving us all a bad name. The Scots, the Danes, the Swedes and the Dutch do the exact same. That's exactly the way it should be.

Down through the years there's been many isolated incidents where groups of Irish fans have been attacked in foreign cities. How couldn't there have been in the world of football? You named one yourself. In the main it doesn't happen to Irish fans as they don't fight with anyone, but on the occasions it does happen they get battered or run. Just look at 95. The fans from the above countries you named do retaliate when attacked in unprovoked situations, we just get walked all over and are seen as a joke.

pgj2015

Deedsie wrote: »

Seen as a joke by who? Mindless thugs and hooligans? Who could give a damn what those demented morons think? If some lunatic decided to try and attack me you are damn right I'd walk away. This is a civilised country, people who behave like animals are the laughing stock.

if some thug attacked you down alley way and you couldn't walk away, what would you do? no one wants the irish fans behaving like those lager louts across the water but you have to stand your ground sometimes and stand up for yourself, its what we had been doing for hundreds of years.

timthumbni

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Down through the years there's been many isolated incidents where groups of Irish fans have been attacked in foreign cities. How couldn't there have been in the world of football? You named one yourself. In the main it doesn't happen to Irish fans as they don't fight with anyone, but on the occasions it does happen they get battered or run. Just look at 95. The fans from the above countries you named do retaliate when attacked in unprovoked situations, we just get walked all over and are seen as a joke.

Take off your blinkers here. They run or avoid problems simply because the republic don't have a hooligan firm. Nor do Northern Ireland no matter what you may think. Both sets of fans do have the odd dickhead but there is in no way a collection of them in a firm such as Poland, Russia, England etc etc

The Golden Miller

Deedsie wrote: »

That is some horrible, nasty, aggressive, joyless rubbish.

The other fan bases consider us a laughing stock as we can have a bit of fun whilst at a tournament without rioting. Grow up and cop on to yourself

How is this nasty, aggressive and horrible? Pointing out that opposing fans rarely have trouble with us, but if they decided to turn their attention towards us we'd be very vulnerable? Maybe you live in some utopianian world of "having the craic", but not everybody has time for that nonsense, especially many hooligans. It was only a few years back that groups of celtic fans were repeatedly targeted and attacked over a 4 day period in Amsterdam because they were "fenian b*astards", according to one banner hanging in the Amsterdam arena. After reading this, I'm sure you'll be red in the face with more faux outrage

timthumbni

As for the post most Norn iron supporters I know would have a laugh with you republic supporters. It's only a game of football after all. We are both likely to get stuffed or get a few draws so it's no big deal.

timthumbni

The Golden Miller wrote: »

How is this nasty, aggressive and horrible? Pointing out that opposing fans rarely have trouble with us, but if they decided to turn their attention towards us we'd be very vulnerable? Maybe you live in some utopianian world of "having the craic", but not everybody has time for that nonsense, especially many hooligans. It was only a few years back that groups of celtic fans were repeatedly targeted and attacked over a 4 day period in Amsterdam because they were "fenian b*astards", according to one banner hanging in the Amsterdam arena. After reading this, I'm sure you'll be red in the face with more faux outrage

What's a Scottish team got to do with you chum?

The Golden Miller

Deedsie wrote: »

Seen as a joke by who? Mindless thugs and hooligans? Who could give a damn what those demented morons think? If some lunatic decided to try and attack me you are damn right I'd walk away. This is a civilised country, people who behave like animals are the laughing stock.

I get it now, you've never been to a match. Groups of fans don't always get the option to run away

The Golden Miller

timthumbni wrote: »

What's a Scottish team got to do with you chum?

A Scottish team with Irish links targeted because of those same Irish links chum.

pgj2015

Deedsie wrote: »

I would defend myself as best I could, remove myself from the situation and if necessary alert the local police/AGS.

Your last sentence there is mortifying.

i think chanting take your shoes off for the boys in green is mortifying, while running away from thugs who attack you.