Compulsory Military Service

love humanity

Are you in favour of compulsory military service for one year after leaving school in Ireland?


What are the benefits of doing this?

What are the drawbacks of doing this ?

eeguy

Atari jaguar

riffmongous

No, everyone I know who did it in Austria said it was a waste of time with nothing to do after the first few weeks except play cards

s4uv3

I'd be more in favour of compulsory retail work for a year.
That'd scare any young person into pursuing a job that they're suited for

Mushy

No, it should be Compulsory Retail Work though

s4uv3

genericguy

Nope. I'm not joining the army to give my life for people I've never met, and when I have children I won't be allowing them to join the military either. Politicians start and end arguments with their pens, if they want to scrap let them suit up and get into the trenches themselves.

The Irish military is the ultimate pointless career. No participation in wars of any sort, all they do is sit around refereeing in Muslim villages because Islamic countries can't be trusted to behave in a civilised manner.

Buona Fortuna

Is this a homework question?

DontThankMe

No what good would it do when when Ireland is a "neutral country".

love humanity

I see benefits in some ways... extreme physical fitness, learning to defend yourself and others should the need ever arise, survival skills, learning to think strategically, building strong character and confidence...

Water John

Generic, you managed to squeeze a lot of your prejudices into one post.
some of the christians aren't very civilised either but then that would not suit your bias.

I can't see any use to compulsory service. Unless you come from a 'meet the fockers' mindset.

Lurkio

Mushy wrote: »

No, it should be Compulsory Retail Work though

.....jaysus, its compulsory service, not suffering....

riffmongous

love humanity wrote: »

I see benefits in some ways... extreme physical fitness, learning to defend yourself and others should the need ever arise, survival skills, learning to think strategically, building strong character and confidence...

Home much of this actually happens when military service is compulsory though? When you bring in large numbers of people standards and funding drop

fedor.2.

love humanity wrote: »

I see benefits in some ways... extreme physical fitness, learning to defend yourself and others should the need ever arise, survival skills, learning to think strategically, building strong character and confidence...

Ya, but what about the Irish Army

BlondeMoment

I suppose there would be no harm in teaching some people discipline, teamwork, communication and responsibility, amongst an abundance of other skills , before they enter the big bad world.

love humanity

riffmongous wrote: »

Home much of this actually happens when military service is compulsory though?

Only if very very well organised and funded

Timberrrrrrrr

love humanity wrote: »

Are you in favour of compulsory military service for one year after leaving school in Ireland?


What are the benefits of doing this?

What are the drawbacks of doing this ?

Maybe not for school leavers but I think military academies for "troubled teens" or military type camps for repeat offenders would be a good start.

If they refuse to be productive members of society then drill dicipline into them until they learn. It should be an option though, jail or military.

Barry Badrinath

genericguy wrote: »

The Irish military is the ultimate pointless career. No participation in wars of any sort, all they do is sit around refereeing in Muslim villages because Islamic countries can't be trusted to behave in a civilised manner.

Nail on the head!

But to answer the OP....1 year mandatory military service is of no benefit to the person or the State.

riffmongous

BlondeMoment wrote: »

I suppose there would be no harm in teaching some people discipline, teamwork, communication and responsibility, amongst an abundance of other skills , before they enter the big bad world.

You'd be better off learning this spending some time with a civil service like the fire brigade or red cross (this is actually a possibility in Austria and previously Germany as an alternative to compulsory military service)

The Randy Riverbeast

Sounds like a lot of time and money wasted. Im sure there could be benefits for some people but there are probably better alternatives.

riffmongous

love humanity wrote: »

Only if very very well organised and funded

Which is unlikely to happen with a large number of people doing compulsory service. Israel would be the exception I guess, but they have very specific circumstances, look at Dedovshchina in the Russian army to see how badly it can go

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

love humanity wrote: »

Are you in favour of compulsory military service for one year after leaving school in Ireland?


What are the benefits of doing this?

What are the drawbacks of doing this ?

Never seen Full Metal Jacket...?

I'd be in favour of some form of community service, but not military. Neither the military nor the individual ever benefits from people being forced to be there.

Conall Cernach

I'd be in favour of 1 year national service if it wasn't necessarily military. Like a community service type thing.

timthumbni

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe not for school leavers but I think military academies for "troubled teens" or military type camps for repeat offenders would be a good start.

If they refuse to be productive members of society then drill dicipline into them until they learn. It should be an option though, jail or military.

Have you been watching "Bad Lads Army"? :-)

SimonTemplar

This thread reminded me of this great clip from Yes Prime Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

corner of hells

My friends son is due to be conscripted soon into Israeli army.
I'm hoping he might get me some of those little stun grenades they use , they surely couldn't miss a box or two

That is all.

Del2005

love humanity wrote: »

I see benefits in some ways... extreme physical fitness, learning to defend yourself and others should the need ever arise,

If everyone has to complete the training then you won't be able to to defend yourself as everyone else will have the same knowledge.

Timberrrrrrrr

Del2005 wrote: »

If everyone has to complete the training then you won't be able to to defend yourself as everyone else will have the same knowledge.

Scrotes would be less likely to attack if they think you have the knowledge to defend yourself

Topper Harley

genericguy wrote: »

Nope. I'm not joining the army to give my life for people I've never met, and when I have children I won't be allowing them to join the military either. Politicians start and end arguments with their pens, if they want to scrap let them suit up and get into the trenches themselves.

The Irish military is the ultimate pointless career. No participation in wars of any sort, all they do is sit around refereeing in Muslim villages because Islamic countries can't be trusted to behave in a civilised manner.

Do you know that once your children are old enough to join the military, there'll be fuck all you can do to stop them if that's what they want to do?

As for "refereeing in Muslim villages because Islamic countries can't be trusted to behave in a civilised manner", if you don't have a clue about something, you'd be better off just saying nothing rather than spouting such tripe.

Lurkio

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Scrotes would be less likely to attack if they think you have the knowledge to defend yourself

But as the service is compulsory, said scrotes will be as likely as you to have served in it, I'd imagine.

Arsemageddon

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Scrotes would be less likely to attack if they think you have the knowledge to defend yourself

.....or alternatively the scrotes would be more capable of attacking you after a programme of intensive physical training and being thought hand to hand combat techniques.

twowheelsonly

Not straight from school but any able bodied person that's either not working or in full-time education, regardless of their 'ethnicity', within 12 months of their 19th birthday then off with them. I'm sure the Army would be well capable of creating posts for those that can't do it for 'health reasons' etc. as well.

Beats the she ite out of paying them dole for life or the fantasy jobsbridge schemes that we have at the moment.

I'd even make it two years !!!!!

twowheelsonly

Arsemageddon wrote: »

.....or alternatively the scrotes would be more capable of attacking you after a programme of intensive physical training and being thought hand to hand combat techniques.

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

Lurkio

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

They'd be scroti?

freshpopcorn

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Not straight from school but any able bodied person that's either not working or in full-time education, regardless of their 'ethnicity', within 12 months of their 19th birthday then off with them. I'm sure the Army would be well capable of creating posts for those that can't do it for 'health reasons' etc. as well.

Beats the she ite out of paying them dole for life or the fantasy jobsbridge schemes that we have at the moment.

I'd even make it two years !!!!!

What if the person wasn't claiming social welfare?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Del2005 wrote: »

If everyone has to complete the training then you won't be able to to defend yourself as everyone else will have the same knowledge.

Ya know you can learn that wihtout having to join a military?

freshpopcorn

Out of the few lads I know who joined the army be either here or in the UK. There all terribly rough and generally people I wouldn't want to be around. The only guy who'd be nice enough want a united Ireland and has an obsession with Sinn Fein.

Arsemageddon

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Or maybe they mightn't be scrotes anymore !!

There have been plenty of studies that show that the effect of juvenile boot camps have on recidivism is minimal

Money spent on measures reducing inequality, well resourced prisons and education are proven to be a far more effective ways of dealing with crime.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe not for school leavers but I think military academies for "troubled teens" or military type camps for repeat offenders would be a good start.

If they refuse to be productive members of society then drill dicipline into them until they learn. It should be an option though, jail or military.

Absolutely but only if the fella in charge of the academy has a hook for an arm and a patch over one eye and the cadets get up to all sorts of stunts like shaving people bald on their birthdays and seeing how many marshmallow ducks someone can eat etc.

moc moc a moc

genericguy wrote: »

I'm not joining the army to give my life

...

genericguy wrote: »

No participation in wars of any sort

Ah here, make up your mind

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Out of interest: how many people who are in favour of the idea, have NEVER actually been in the army themselves...?

JustTheOne

Vietnam says no.

Average age of fatalities 22.3 years old.

Wrong.

hytrogen

I had thought about it as a way to pay for college. But then I read up that the military prefer post grads so they've something else to fall back on when they retire at 35. As well as their qualifications don't stand for much once you step off the base apparently.
Typical Irish backwardness

Guy:Incognito

genericguy wrote: »

Nope. I'm not joining the army to give my life for people I've never met, and when I have children I won't be allowing them to join the military either. Politicians start and end arguments with their pens, if they want to scrap let them suit up and get into the trenches themselves.
.

Unless you're posting from some wartorn African dictatorship, the use of child soldiers is generally not the done thing so by the time they are old enough to choose their career , you wont have much say.

Timberrrrrrrr

Lurkio wrote: »

But as the service is compulsory, said scrotes will be as likely as you to have served in it, I'd imagine.

Yes, they would have the same basic training and would know that anyone else who has served gas also had that training.

Guy:Incognito

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Out of interest: how many people who are in favour of the idea, have NEVER actually been in the army themselves...?

Does that not work both ways ? Or is it ok to dismiss an idea you know nothing about but not to agree with it?


TBH Id be in favour of compulsory beatings for little scrotes.

MRnotlob606

How could we conceivably fund a national service programme, when we already struggle to adequately spend money effectively on our defence forces . We spend less than O.40% of our total GDP, Where countries like Norway spend 1.4% of their GDP on Defence.

MRnotlob606

corner of hells wrote: »

My friends son is due to be conscripted soon into Israeli army.
I'm hoping he might get me some of those little stun grenades they use , they surely couldn't miss a box or two

That is all.

Can I ask why you want Stun Grenades

Permabear

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Stigura

SimonTemplar wrote: »

This thread reminded me of this great clip from Yes Prime Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

Simon Templar, you're a saint!

The moment I saw this thread I thought; " Ooh! Will anyone show us that brilliant sketch from Yes, Prime Minister ...? "

s4uv3

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Can I ask why you want Stun Grenades

He might have been joking