Chemtrails ?

Bmc1895

Had to ask if anybody has seen the strange black lines in the sky recently ?
I took photo's a few week's ago and there is
no explanation for them .

The Sidewards Man

They are dropping aluminum.

msshono

Bmc1895 wrote: »

Had to ask if anybody has seen the strange black lines in the sky recently ?
I took photo's a few week's ago and there is
no explanation for them .

Yes I saw that on Sunday afternoon, I looked up at a plane passing over head and it was following through an existing chemtrail that was black. Had a look at the Flightradar24 thread and aviation forum and was sure there'd be something posted in there about it. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation though I did wonder had something gone wrong with a flight

Bmc1895

On good friday i noticed a black line just appearing in the sky , about 40 seconds later a plane flew in the exact same line .
I have never before seen anything like it

BoJack Horseman

Chemtrails can't melt steel beams.

The Sidewards Man

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Chemtrails can't melt steel beams.

Link?

BoJack Horseman

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Link?

911truth.org

Mr Bloat

Something similar to this was posted in the Astronomy forum a few weeks ago http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057571341

Are the pics there similar to what you saw?

Here is the answer given in that thread:

jfSDAS wrote: »

Hi evosteo,

Very nice pics ... many thanks for posting.

The dark streak is the shadow of the aircraft contrail projected on to a very thin layer of slightly higher cloud. The low sun at the time is the giveaway. In the pictures the sun is shining from below the contrail and projecting the contrail's shadow upwards.

Les Cowley's web site is a terrific resource about atmospheric phenomena. The page on contrail shadows at http://www.atoptics.co.uk/atoptics/contr2.htm shows an example while http://www.atoptics.co.uk/atoptics/shuttle.htm is a pretty dramatic rocket plume shadow from a shuttle launch!

John

ScumLord

They're called contrails.

The atmosphere is actually full of dirt, massive temperature differences, loads of chemicals reacting. All kinds of odd stuff can happen up there. Generally if you see something odd happening in the sky, it's just natural phenomena.

mahoganygas

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

911truth.org

That's what they want you to think.

Timberrrrrrrr

Bmc1895 wrote: »

On good friday i noticed a black line just appearing in the sky , about 40 seconds later a plane flew in the exact same line .
I have never before seen anything like it

The plane is leaving a contrails

The sun is low in the sky

The dark line you see ahead of the plane is the shadow from the contrails behind it

Bmc1895

No this black line simply appeared in the sky !
Myself and my girlfriend could not believe what we were seeing . After about 1 minute a plane flew in the direct path of the black line .
As i am a new user i can not post the photo's but i know for sure this was no shadow .

Timberrrrrrrr

Bmc1895 wrote: »

No this black line simply appeared in the sky !
Myself and my girlfriend could not believe what we were seeing . After about 1 minute a plane flew in the direct path of the black line .
As i am a new user i can not post the photo's but i know for sure this was no shadow .

Yes

As the sun lowered in the sky it created a shadow of the contrails

Bmc1895

Having looked deeper into it your shadow theory seem's spot on , crazy that i have never seen it before this year .

el diablo

Doesn't mean we're not being bombarded with chemicals from above though.


http://www.lifecoachcode.com/2016/03/04/exposed-photos-from-inside-chemtrail-planes/

looksee

Crop sprayers. Not to say that I think crop spraying from aircraft is a good idea, but it is a long way from the daft idea that we are being deliberately bombarded by chemicals. Oh yes, there is a label saying 'chemtrail'! Well that's proof isn't it? It is proof that someone with a sense of humour stuck a label on a switch.

el diablo

el diablo wrote: »

Doesn't mean we're not being bombarded with chemicals from above though.


http://www.lifecoachcode.com/2016/03/04/exposed-photos-from-inside-chemtrail-planes/

This is a collection of pictures of planes using water tanks as ballast during flight tests, planes testing refueling equipment, various instruments for atmospheric research and some very poor looking photoshop jobs.

This one is my favourite:

ScumLord

The trails are coming out of completely different parts of the plane. On the left side the trail seems to be coming directly out of the main body of the plane. On the right it's coming out of the side of one of the pods on the wings.

Michael OBrien

ScumLord wrote: »

The trails are coming out of completely different parts of the plane. On the left side the trail seems to be coming directly out of the main body of the plane. On the right it's coming out of the side of one of the pods on the wings.

Its not attached to the plane at all. It is forming outside the plane from the airflow and water condensation. That is why, from that angle, you think it is coming from TWO places, when it is actually coming from neither. It is several feet from the plane on both sides. that is why there is no shadow on the side of the plane. the water vapor is forming BEHIND the plane slightly as it flies because that is what happens when you have that series of interactions with cold air, hot air and air flow.

Going Forward

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The plane is leaving a contrails

The sun is low in the sky

The dark line you see ahead of the plane is the shadow from the contrails behind it

I've seen that once before

A very (relatively, five or six plane lengths) short, distinct black line moving slightly and directly in front of a plane.

Stayed uniform in length, seen from directly beneath the plane, or as much as you can be directly beneath a plane for any length of time.

Not like the 40 seconds or minute before a plane appeared as some have seen.

Going Forward

King Mob wrote: »

This is a collection of pictures of planes using water tanks as ballast during flight tests, planes testing refueling equipment, various instruments for atmospheric research and some very poor looking photoshop jobs.

This one is my favourite:

Bruce Willis with his new glasses:



If you squint your eye's he's the spitting image.

Timberrrrrrrr

Going Forward wrote: »

I've seen that once before

A very (relatively, five or six plane lengths) short, distinct black line moving slightly and directly in front of a plane.

Stayed uniform in length, seen from directly beneath the plane, or as much as you can be directly beneath a plane for any length of time.

Not like the 40 seconds or minute before a plane appeared as some have seen.

It would all depend on the position of the plane, the position of the sun and the position of the person.

JCX BXC

I find it funnier that people actually think our government has the money to spray chemtrails and cover it up!

Bmc1895

Im sure people who believe we are being sprayed do not believe it is our government in fairness .

JCX BXC

Bmc1895 wrote: »

Im sure people who believe we are being sprayed do not believe it is our government in fairness .

If you can believe in chemtrails you can believe in anything!

Wanderer78

tis the lizards, hairy japanese bastards!

Bmc1895

Carnacalla wrote: »

If you can believe in chemtrails you can believe in anything!

Not that i believe in chemtrails, but if you dont believe people with power will do anything they can to keep it well then you are simply naive .
Im sure they have thought of more outrageous things .

mahoganygas

Bmc1895 wrote: »

Not that i believe in chemtrails, but if you dont believe people with power will do anything they can to keep it well then you are simply naive .
Im sure they have thought of more outrageous things .

could*

Big difference.

Bmc1895

So you think nobody who has ever ran or been involved in the running of a country/corporation etc has ever done anything to harm mass amounts of people in their interest ?

Rashers

http://thevane.gawker.com/why-i-write-about-and-debunk-the-chemtrail-conspiracy-1581896346

Bmc1895

Bmc1895 wrote: »

So you think nobody who has ever ran or been involved in the running of a country/corporation etc has ever done anything to harm mass amounts of people in their interest ?

No one is saying this is the reason that the conspiracy is ridiculous.

The conspiracy is ridiculous because it would require millions of people involved and trillions of dollars to run a global conspiracy that runs everyday everywhere for the last 30-40+ years.
Just because some people might be willing to do something like this doesn't mean they are able to.

And this is before anyone has been able to show a good, plausible reason why anyone would want to do this in the first place.

Bmc1895

My post had nothing to do with the chemtrail conspiracy . I was refering to mahogonygas's post that people with power COULD do these sort of things but dont .
I disagree ,we are affected by these things all the time ! Insider trading/Water contamination/Wars based on lies, I could go on.
Also your presumption that things can not be kept secret is simply not true . I have worked on projects here in Ireland that are still "secret" and this involved a couple of hundred people .
I am not a conspiracy theorist by any means , i just believe money and power breaks most peoples morals in the end

You are missing my point. The conspiracy would require millions of people to be involved and it would cost trillions over decades. And all for no determinable reason. Your experience doesn't really apply even if it is true.
They could want to do stuff like this, and could engage in plausible illicit behavior.
This doesn't mean that this conspiracy is possible or worth considering.

Overheal

You're straying off topic BMC. There's not much point in saying conspiracies in a broad sense could happen, the topic is chem trails - not insider trading etc etc

Hermy

Bmc1895 wrote: »

...there is no explanation for them .

How do you know?

ScumLord

Bmc1895 wrote: »

Not that i believe in chemtrails, but if you dont believe people with power will do anything they can to keep it well then you are simply naive .
Im sure they have thought of more outrageous things .

So if we were to give you power you'd do anything to hold onto it? Is it like a cause and effect? A human gets power, they become ruthless and greedy.

The people with power and money are the same machine as poor people on the street. They're capable of the same variety as every other section of society. Come are *****, some are sound, some are lazy, some work their fingers to the bone. Very few would even have the desire to be part of some global conspiracy to kill innocent people, never mind invest their wealth into it on the promise they'll get preferential treatment in a new fascist world order.

Bmc1895

Hermy wrote: »

How do you know?

If you go back in the thread somebody actually gave a pretty good explanation for them. At the time i could not find a rational one .

Yes I was being way to broad with my comment's as obviously not everyone in a position of power or influence is some sort of crazed lunatic . I do however feel the people at the very top most likely are "power mad"because you must be to get there in the first place .

This has gone way off topic so when I have enough post's I will put up the pic's that got me thinking about this phenomenon in the first place. It really looks amazing .

ShangriRA

ScumLord wrote: »

Bmc1895 wrote: »

Not that i believe in chemtrails, but if you dont believe people with power will do anything they can to keep it well then you are simply naive .
Im sure they have thought of more outrageous things .

So if we were to give you power you'd do anything to hold onto it? Is it like a cause and effect? A human gets power, they become ruthless and greedy.

The people with power and money are the same machine as poor people on the street. They're capable of the same variety as every other section of society. Come are *****, some are sound, some are lazy, some work their fingers to the bone. Very few would even have the desire to be part of some global conspiracy to kill innocent people, never mind invest their wealth into it on the promise they'll get preferential treatment in a new fascist world order.

This stuff is not theoretical in the least. US government has confirmed that they have engaged in wide-scale atmospheric chemical testing since at least the 1950s. They blanketed the entire United States with the technology available to them nearly seventy years ago.

Google Operation_LAC.

From the wiki:
>During the first test and subsequently, much of the material dispersed ended up being carried by winds into Canada.However, as was the case in the first test, particles were detected up to 1,200 miles away from their drop point. A typical flight line covering 400 miles would release 5,000 pounds of zinc cadmium sulfide and in fiscal year 1958 around 100 hours were spent in flight for LAC.That flight time included four runs of various lengths, one of which was 1,400 miles

Elemonator

It's to do with how low the sun is sitting in the sky.

Or is that what they want me to believe?

Or have a not "woken up" yet?

ScumLord

Michael OBrien wrote: »

Its not attached to the plane at all. It is forming outside the plane from the airflow and water condensation. That is why, from that angle, you think it is coming from TWO places, when it is actually coming from neither. It is several feet from the plane on both sides.

Part of the chemtrail on the right seems to be obstructed be the plane. Looks like a poor photoshop.

ShangriRA wrote: »

This stuff is not theoretical in the least. US government has confirmed that they have engaged in wide-scale atmospheric chemical testing since at least the 1950s. They blanketed the entire United States with the technology available to them nearly seventy years ago.

There have been seeding tests done by a lot of countries, militaries and universities.. But the idea that commercial passenger jets produce chemtrails as standard is absurd.

I don't think any tests have been all that successful either. It's not like chemtrails are going to be all that significant in relation to all the other pollution we put into the ecosystem. It would be like throwing a sand bag into an overflowing river hoping it will stop your house from flooding.

If chemtrails have any negative effects just add them to the list of **** we do to the environment. If people think chemtrails can have a specific controllable effect on something as immense as the global climate they're naive. If the there is people in power banking on this being an effective tool, let them off. Let them piss their money into the wind rather than spend it blowing people up.

ShangriRA

ShangriRA wrote: »

This stuff is not theoretical in the least. US government has confirmed that they have engaged in wide-scale atmospheric chemical testing since at least the 1950s. They blanketed the entire United States with the technology available to them nearly seventy years ago.

Google Operation_LAC.

From the wiki:
>During the first test and subsequently, much of the material dispersed ended up being carried by winds into Canada.However, as was the case in the first test, particles were detected up to 1,200 miles away from their drop point. A typical flight line covering 400 miles would release 5,000 pounds of zinc cadmium sulfide and in fiscal year 1958 around 100 hours were spent in flight for LAC.That flight time included four runs of various lengths, one of which was 1,400 miles

This operation has nothing in common with the claims about chemtrails.

Chemtrails are supposedly being sprayed every day, all around the world from jet liners flying at high altitude.

Operation LAC did nothing of the sort, was much smaller and yet information still got out about it.

A global conspiracy involving millions, costing billions and all for seemingly no reason is not hypothetical. It's silly.

I don't understand why people are trying to defend this notion as if it's plausible.

ShangriRA

King Mob wrote: »

ShangriRA wrote: »

This stuff is not theoretical in the least. US government has confirmed that they have engaged in wide-scale atmospheric chemical testing since at least the 1950s. They blanketed the entire United States with the technology available to them nearly seventy years ago.

Google Operation_LAC.

From the wiki:
>During the first test and subsequently, much of the material dispersed ended up being carried by winds into Canada.However, as was the case in the first test, particles were detected up to 1,200 miles away from their drop point. A typical flight line covering 400 miles would release 5,000 pounds of zinc cadmium sulfide and in fiscal year 1958 around 100 hours were spent in flight for LAC.That flight time included four runs of various lengths, one of which was 1,400 miles

This operation has nothing in common with the claims about chemtrails.

Chemtrails are supposedly being sprayed every day, all around the world from jet liners flying at high altitude.

Operation LAC did nothing of the sort, was much smaller and yet information still got out about it.

A global conspiracy involving millions, costing billions and all for seemingly no reason is not hypothetical. It's silly.

I don't understand why people are trying to defend this notion as if it's plausible.

Project 112 is the declassified precursor of planet-wide dispersal of aerosol chemicals.

You're really going to try to no true scottsman a project that dumped aerosol chemicals on the entire continental United States and and another that dumped them across Eurasia? Those are 'not' what people who talk about chemtrails mean when they say chemtrails?

ShangriRA

ShangriRA wrote: »

Project 112 is the declassified precursor of planet-wide dispersal of aerosol chemicals.

You're really going to try to no true scottsman a project that dumped aerosol chemicals on the entire continental United States and and another that dumped them across Eurasia? Those are 'not' what people who talk about chemtrails mean when they say chemtrails?

No, they are not.

The chemtrail conspiracy posits that chemicals are being sprayed currently, every single day in many locations around the world by normal looking planes at high altitude. These chemicals take the form of white cloudlike trails that linger in the sky, but are supposedly different to normal contrails.
This is nothing like the examples you are pointing to.

If They were engaged in something like the examples you provided, then they would not look anything like what are claimed as chemtrails. But then, there'd be no "evidence" to support the theory.

Again the chemtrail conspiracy would require huge amounts of resources and manpower to pull off and keep secret.
Pointing to things that failed to stay under wraps even with much smaller scales, does not make the conspiracy theory more plausible

Rashers

ShangriRA wrote: »

Project 112 is the declassified precursor of planet-wide dispersal of aerosol chemicals. <snip>

It is? Have a read of THIS.

kingtiger

see you nutbags

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examviral/science-world/ozone-layer-is-gradually-healing-scientists-say-408077.html

chemtrails work

Rashers

kingtiger wrote: »

see you nutbags

http://www.irishexaminer.com/examviral/science-world/ozone-layer-is-gradually-healing-scientists-say-408077.html

chemtrails work

Is that article supposed to tell us something about contrails? I see nothing there that mentions your 'chem'trails. :rolleyes:

Overheal

What's the implied correlation to chemtrail theories?

Strumms

So Chem-trails are dispersed by regular airlines at high altitude and their trails remain visible in the sky...

Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people over the years who would have had to have some hand or part in this ? From pilots, airline executives, aircraft mechanics, loaders all sorts of ground crews. Does anyone know here how many people it takes to get an aircraft from the ground into the air and everything in between and who interacts with aircraft daily ? I do personally and even if it is military aircraft or cargo or passenger it is still the same... If this was happening the lid would have been blown off it by someone(s) at some point in time. As a conspiracy theory it's so way off the grid it's unreal. Pure fantasy and anyone who gives it credence... well I'll leave it there.

Overheal

Strumms wrote: »

So Chem-trails are dispersed by regular airlines at high altitude and their trails remain visible in the sky...

Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of people over the years who would have had to have some hand or part in this ? From pilots, airline executives, aircraft mechanics, loaders all sorts of ground crews. Does anyone know here how many people it takes to get an aircraft from the ground into the air and everything in between and who interacts with aircraft daily ? I do personally and even if it is military aircraft or cargo or passenger it is still the same... If this was happening the lid would have been blown off it by someone(s) at some point in time. As a conspiracy theory it's so way off the grid it's unreal. Pure fantasy and anyone who gives it credence... well I'll leave it there.

Eh to play devils advocate against that basic debunkment, you could get away with it using a lot less involvement. All it would take is the correct formulation of jet fuel which in normal operation would exhaust the expectant chemicals. In which case even the engine designers might not even know, just the people formulating the jet fuel. However jet fuel is - one would assume - a reasonably fixed standard refined compound. But who knows: natural gas for vehicles I have found through the course of my employment has relatively few controls on what incidental chemicals can and cannot be in the fuel that inevitably reaches the vehicle. For instance, the natural gas is compressed into storage tanks on a truck, by a compressor which is lubricated with oil. There is no standard saying which oils can't be used in a compressor, yet some oils can cause havoc on some seals in the fuel rail system (particularly the regulator). To cut a long story short it's probable that not that many people would know a whole lot about the chemical makeup of the jet fuel that is being used in conventional jet engines.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Eh to play devils advocate against that basic debunkment, you could get away with it using a lot less involvement. All it would take is the correct formulation of jet fuel which in normal operation would exhaust the expectant chemicals. In which case even the engine designers might not even know, just the people formulating the jet fuel. However jet fuel is - one would assume - a reasonably fixed standard refined compound. But who knows: natural gas for vehicles I have found through the course of my employment has relatively few controls on what incidental chemicals can and cannot be in the fuel that inevitably reaches the vehicle. For instance, the natural gas is compressed into storage tanks on a truck, by a compressor which is lubricated with oil. There is no standard saying which oils can't be used in a compressor, yet some oils can cause havoc on some seals in the fuel rail system (particularly the regulator). To cut a long story short it's probable that not that many people would know a whole lot about the chemical makeup of the jet fuel that is being used in conventional jet engines.

Even still, a conspiracy like this would require tens of thousands of people.
Not all jet fuel is made by a few people in one place. And if they are adding the chemicals at some point during transportation, then it would still have to be happening millions of times all around the world every year.
And this is on top of the people needed to research and develop the chemical in question as well as the cooperation from every airplane designer and manufacturer to produce plane engines compatible with the chemical without issue to the plane or the compound.

And this is assuming that the compound can still do what it:s supposed to do after being blasted through a jet engine.

I don:t think theres any way to explain a vast, decades long, international conspiracy without involving thousands of people who could easily expose it.

One much better way to do it (assuming that it must be spread this way rather than a more efficient way), would be to do it in plain sight.
They could simply say that they are spraying this compound in the air to combat global warming or whatever. Or they could say that they are adding this chemical to jet fuel that reduces carbon.
If the conspiracy has the power to control entire aviation companies and thousands of people to do something nefarious to the populace, I dont see why they would need to hide it in the first place. If they did it my way there would be still no way for those who know the truth would be able to stop them either way.

bpmurray

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, this conspiracy theory makes the following claims:

• There is a global plan to spray humankind (and everything else) with "chemicals" for some weird nefarious reason.
• Every airline and airforce in the world is complicit in this effort.
• By extension every government in the world is involved too, even those at war with each other.
• Every jet aircraft on the planet is fitted with chemical sprayers.
• Every pilot and crew member is also involved in this dastardly plan.
• No government, aircraft manufacturer, airline or employee of these has gone public about this.

I'm sure the believers will forgive me if I find this to be some way beyond the bounds of probability or even possibility.